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Corona Virus, How has it affected your area so far?
Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2020-04-03 15:37:16
I mean it's just human decency. I don't mind if a couple hundred thousand people end up stealing $1200 from our corrupt gov if it helps them in a time of need. Trump is going to steal every cent that isn't stolen first.
You that clueless? That money comes from taxes we pay.
it's going to get stolen regardless. i'd rather have it feed someone than pay for another $45,000 golf cart rental.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-04-03 15:38:25
I mean it's just human decency. I don't mind if a couple hundred thousand people end up stealing $1200 from our corrupt gov if it helps them in a time of need. Trump is going to steal every cent that isn't stolen first.
You that clueless? That money comes from taxes we pay.
it's going to get stolen regardless. i'd rather have it feed someone than pay for another $45,000 golf cart rental.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-04-03 15:41:31
I mean, if you are really that hell bent on government spending, then make some points about cutting wasteful spending.
Calling it UBI is just sugarcoating the issue. This isn't UBI at all. This is a temporary stimulus to maintain the economy during a pandemic. There is a huge difference!
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By Bismarck.Laurelli 2020-04-03 15:45:36
Some people think that if a person sneaks into your country and starts claiming benefits, that's stealing too. So whatever. Both are stealing and the only thing that's true is that the people who actually pay their taxes are the ones who get screwed. But you don't pay all your taxes, so your POV is warped.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-04-03 15:58:26
Bismarck.Laurelli said: »Some people think that if a person sneaks into your country and starts claiming benefits, that's stealing too. Since it is illegal to claim federal benefits, I guess it only applies to those who live in the same state. I live in Texas so I don't give a flying fart if California pays for all of their illegal immigrants or not, because it doesn't affect me at all.
Bismarck.Laurelli said: »But you don't pay all your taxes, so your POV is warped. I guess it depends on your perspective on "paying all your taxes" and what it means.
Does it mean paying the legally required amount after deductions, or does it mean paying the full amount and not taking any deductions at all? I own my own business, so I take all the deductions I am legally allowed to. I feel like I paid all of my taxes, but some people will claim that I need to pay more because I make well over a million a year but only pay 13.4% (all of my income is capital gains). I still pay all of my taxes I'm legally required to, so I don't feel like I owe more than I paid, nor do I feel like giving charity to the federal government.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-04-03 15:59:00
I think I have coronavirus but I doubt I can even get checked if I wanted to. Brits don't have tests? Or do you guys buy the tests from China?
If you buy it from China, well, sucks to be you then.
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By Fenrir.Richybear 2020-04-03 16:56:27
I think I have coronavirus but I doubt I can even get checked if I wanted to.
Just head to Kireek's place to get checked out for sure
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Bismarck.Laurelli
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By Bismarck.Laurelli 2020-04-03 18:13:25
Bismarck.Laurelli said: »Some people think that if a person sneaks into your country and starts claiming benefits, that's stealing too. Since it is illegal to claim federal benefits, I guess it only applies to those who live in the same state. I live in Texas so I don't give a flying fart if California pays for all of their illegal immigrants or not, because it doesn't affect me at all.
Bismarck.Laurelli said: »But you don't pay all your taxes, so your POV is warped. I guess it depends on your perspective on "paying all your taxes" and what it means.
Does it mean paying the legally required amount after deductions, or does it mean paying the full amount and not taking any deductions at all? I own my own business, so I take all the deductions I am legally allowed to. I feel like I paid all of my taxes, but some people will claim that I need to pay more because I make well over a million a year but only pay 13.4% (all of my income is capital gains). I still pay all of my taxes I'm legally required to, so I don't feel like I owe more than I paid, nor do I feel like giving charity to the federal government. Then you have paid your taxes. When I said Eiryl wasn't paying it's because he pulls an entire salary from selling gil and doesn't declare that at all.
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By Fenrir.Melphina 2020-04-03 18:34:07
You know, as rough as things are looking, at least America doesn't enforce public executions.....
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rodrigo-duterte-philippines-president-coronavirus-lockdown-shoot-people-dead/
The president of the Phillipeans on the other hand has authorized their law enforcement to use lethal force against their own citizens who don't adhere to the stay at home mandate.
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By Shiva.Zerowone 2020-04-03 18:35:53
Don’t give us any ideas.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-04-03 18:41:32
Bismarck.Laurelli said: »When I said Eiryl wasn't paying it's because he pulls an entire salary from selling gil and doesn't declare that at all. That's his choice, and anyone who has ever bought gil from him can report him to the IRS to earn 15~30% of his back taxes for reporting him.
No skin off my nose to be honest.
Is salary the right word for that?
It's neither a salary nor a wage really. It's self-employment income, which is worse because it is subject to self-employment taxes.
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By Viciouss 2020-04-03 18:42:49
Nothing new from that lunatic.
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By Fenrir.Melphina 2020-04-03 18:44:17
No, but it's still disturbing nonetheless.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-04-03 18:51:12
Nothing like a good revolution to keep governments honest.
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Bismarck.Laurelli
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By Bismarck.Laurelli 2020-04-03 18:56:58
Bismarck.Laurelli said: »When I said Eiryl wasn't paying it's because he pulls an entire salary from selling gil and doesn't declare that at all. That's his choice, and anyone who has ever bought gil from him can report him to the IRS to earn 15~30% of his back taxes for reporting him.
No skin off my nose to be honest.
Is salary the right word for that?
It's neither a salary nor a wage really. It's self-employment income, which is worse because it is subject to self-employment taxes. I just used the word salary to express that his undeclared amount is alone enough money for a person to live on. I get that it's not actually a salary.
By Draylo 2020-04-03 19:54:52
It's your life dude, nobody is forcing you to report your income and the chances you get caught aren't that high. But, if you were to get caught, it would totally and completely *** your life over by the sounds of it.
Those numbers are not everything either, because many of the people making that amount of money are not visibly cheating on their taxes. Audits are triggered by records not matching up primarily, and most people aren't completely skipping income sources. Sure, the rate is higher for extremely high income numbers, because random audits also start to become prevalent in those brackets.
But, this is 'percent of taxpayers audited by income bracket', not 'percent of tax cheats who got audited', I would wager the second value is much, much higher. Most people who cheat on their taxes are taking extra deductions that are subjective and not worth chasing. If the IRS gets a 1099k that has no matching income reported it's going to almost certainly result in an audit.
I pay my taxes so I don't have to entertain that possibility, personal choice.
I know a lot of people working certain jobs that they obviously won't report. The IRS rarely goes for a little guy making 100k or less. Many of them have been doing it for 8+ years. It isn't as common as you're eluding to. Definitely always preferable to play safe though and report something.
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By Leviathan.Draugo 2020-04-03 22:09:27
you were right! for now...
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By Shiva.Thorny 2020-04-03 23:58:33
I know a lot of people working certain jobs that they obviously won't report. The IRS rarely goes for a little guy making 100k or less. Many of them have been doing it for 8+ years. It isn't as common as you're eluding to. Definitely always preferable to play safe though and report something.
Not talking about the guy running an in person job with no paper trail. Talking about Eiryl making whatever he made digitally with his bank account tied directly to it. Might be the little guy, but if paypal ties the accounts together and 1099-ks him, that's almost certainly an audit.
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By Odinz 2020-04-04 04:03:55
Trump's amazing business management skills
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By orangemanbad 2020-04-04 08:51:06
I mean it's just human decency. I don't mind if a couple hundred thousand people end up stealing $1200 from our corrupt gov if it helps them in a time of need. Trump is going to steal every cent that isn't stolen first.
Or you could just call it a UBI and everyone is getting some loot for being imprisoned per month. So everyone qualifies.
Do you even understand the concept of taxes or do you pay someone to understand that for you ?
By orangemanbad 2020-04-04 08:54:01
No one is "stealing" 1200 dollars. The federal government is basically giving us and businesses an interest free loan.
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Garuda.Chanti
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-04-04 09:29:42
Well, we don't have to worry about caronavirus anymore.
Jared is in charge. Now we KNOW we are ******.
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By Odinz 2020-04-04 09:48:47
Asura.Saevel
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By Asura.Saevel 2020-04-04 10:16:16
I mean it's just human decency. I don't mind if a couple hundred thousand people end up stealing $1200 from our corrupt gov if it helps them in a time of need. Trump is going to steal every cent that isn't stolen first.
Or you could just call it a UBI and everyone is getting some loot for being imprisoned per month. So everyone qualifies.
Do you even understand the concept of taxes or do you pay someone to understand that for you ?
He doesn't pay taxes.
So, today was the first case of the virus being confirmed in my rural county.
This last week has been pretty insane to start. Most grocery stores have been emptied, toilet paper is non existent. Bars, hotels, and casinos have been shutdown as of yesterday, our town relies heavily on these sources of income. There are now rumors that our mine sites will soon be shutdown as well. I plan to withdraw a substantial amount of cash from the bank tomorrow morning, and hit every store I can get my hands on to get some groceries before the hoarding gets any worse.
I have heard of California being on total lockdown, as well of rumors of people even being imprisoned for attempting to leave the state.
Curious to hear how other parts of the country are getting along, surprised there isn't an official Corona-Virus thread here yet.
Crazy stuff.
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