That Impeachment Thing....

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I do enjoy our redundant discussions on polling, because you eventually slip and say something ridiculous like this. It's great.

Uh, its not a slip. As you always say, polls aren't everything, and we have very recent elections showing the electorate tilting blue.

I wouldn't put too much stock in oh well Dems took a bunch in 2018.

Historically the presidents party tends to do bad in the midterms which is why we often look at it in terms of losses/gains of the presidents party. It's rare to not lose seats in both chambers and it basically never translates to a president losing reelection. I mean just look at the absolute beating Dems took during Clinton and Obama and one of them was up for impeachment too and we all know how that went

sister's kids...or your nephews/nieces? Sounds like you aren't very close. Perhaps they are in favor of this impeachment process? You have very intelligent family members, and I approve this message.


The articles you shared have Trump being laughed at for his ignorance and stupidity. Thank you for sharing.

This.

He keeps bringing up the midterm results as if they mean anything. The Republicans had mild midterm losses in Trump's first term (-40 House, +2 Senate) when compared to Obama's (-63/-6) and Clinton's (-54/-10).

But since we're supposed to be talking about impeachment, I'll loop back to that. If polling is showing that impeachment is not playing well (especially in the Midwest), then what exactly is the play here? Are they so concerned about pandering to their coastal base that they'd be willing sacrifice purple states in the attempt?

They got nothing on Trump. And Trumps cronies that did take a fall? They just didn’t know how to play it cool under fire. They crumpled under hearsay and flimsy anecdotes. Sad.

Just look at how the FBI lied and altered evidence to try to turn Trump's folks. Agents working under .. and I ***you not .. Peter Strzok who was working on ... again I ***you not ... Mueller altered the 302 evidence record for Flynn's interview to create a lie. He didn't actually lie, so they had to alter the record to say that he did, and then his initial lawyers pressed him to accept the plea deal based on that. The new lawyers are saying the whole thing is invalid as it was based on corrupted evidence.

That guys is the kind of corrupt stuff the Democrats will do to get to President Trump.

For those curious.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/doj-admits-in-michael-flynn-case-that-fbi-mistakenly-identified-peter-strzok-notes/



This guys is why you never talk to the police, any police, for any reason ever. Do not sit down with them, do not answer any questions, everything is done through a lawyer.

The FBI lied to Flynn about the nature of the "interview" in order to deceive him into lowering his guard and not having an attorney present. They then altered the records of the interview, which isn't taped or recorded ... how convenient, in order to generate charges against him.

This is how low Democrats will go to persecute President Trump.

Pelosi just announced they are going forward with the impeachment articles, as expected. Its not like the evidence just disappeared the way the GOP is pretending it did. Censure was never on the table.

Yeah, this is standard procedure at basically every level of law enforcement, and it is one of the countless ways our justice system is broken as hell.


This right here, exactly, forever and ever. Even if you're innocent. Especially if you're innocent.

Just to reitterate I feel the need to post this video again, in case there is any reader who hasn't seen it.

This is actually something both the lawyer and the detective go over. The lawyer says you can be convicted on things you didn't even say if the police "misremember" any part of the interview, questions or answers. The detective later states that he erases recordings of interviews after "transcribing" them to a report. He doesn't need to recording because ... he was there and can act as a "professional witness" to both questions and answers.

Lets all think about those statements and the practical implications of such. The police have free reign to lie about both questions and answers during an "interview" because there is no unbiased third party entity holding them to being honest, unless you pay for one, aka a lawyer. And this happens before your even charged with a crime, before you even know your a suspect, before you even know they are investigating something. The police will never *tell* you any of that stuff is happening, no they will politely ask if you can come down and "answer some questions" or "help them out" on something they are working on.

Never say yes, never agree, never voluntarily enter into that police building or get into any of their vehicles. "I'm sorry officer, I've been advised against such actions without first consulting an attorney". If they insist just repeat that statement and then ask the golden words "Officer am I under arrest or free to go". Forces them to communicate to you the nature of the interaction instead of hiding behind smoke and mirrors.



They really need to teach this in US highscools, like an entire course on who police are, what they can do, how they do it, and how to protect ourselves from them.

For you non-US folks, well sucks to be you but that's a different topic.

Awesome video, Saevel! Thanks for sharing that. Everyone needs to watch this.

Two pages with only one freaking post on impeachment.....

Someone needs to make an "All Trump all the time" thread.

Just to show people how bad the police like to lie.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/05/18/police-officer-waiting-period-bill-of-rights-editorials-debates/27555517/

Police unions enforce "waiting periods" where Departments must notify a Police Officer suspected of breaking the law and give them anywhere from two to ten days to consult / retain an attorney and sort their story out before they are "interviewed". Similarly if a police officer shoots someone, the Department can not ask questions or expect a report for the same two to ten day period for the same reason.

In case anyone is wondering why Police Officers always seem to get off the hook for doing bad stuff while citizens get destroyed at the slightest hint of something. It's because Police Officers are afforded protections against deceptive investigations while citizens aren't.

So yes, always consult a lawyer, never speak with any police office, even if your a US Senator or a high ranking Government Official.

What little there is to talk about loops back to.

Democrats Good
Republicans Bad
Orange Man VERY VERY BAD

The Democrats are now trying to sell law professors opinions as evidence, professors who contribute to Democrats and are registered Democrats themselves.

Lets all step back and think about the absolute absurdity of that... Opinions as evidence...

About as accurate as feelings as facts.

I forgot what the topic was 9 pages ago.

Impeachment should be used rarely. Not cause the latest outrage and the fringe elements of a political party demand it.

It isn't meant to be used like this. It is for "high crimes" (not phone calls) or misdemeanors. You don't have to be a Constitutional law expert to understand this. I do not think asking someone on the phone to do something. Then the person not doing it. Is an impeachable offense. It's meant for serious offenses not to score political points.

There is a reason impeachment has only been done like 3 times. It is a serious thing. Not to be taken lightly.

He isn't being impeached for a phone call he made 2 months after he launched his coordinated political scheme to extract a bogus Biden investigation.

You should read something Vic instead of just assuming you know.

You might learn something.

Man, Pelosi must have zero confidence in the Democrat candidates to be pulling the trigger on a gamble like this.

Game on.

The Democrats got hardcore leftists with histories of donating to Democrat politicians. The Republicans got someone who voted against Trump but is astonished by the ridiculousness of the whole process thus far. Who has greater credibility in that case?

Donny please.

None of this is going to matter when Trump gets acquitted in the Senate.

You might as well post pictures of cat gifs or something. Would be more productive.

They are just going through the motions to appease fringe members of the Democrat party. Most Americans are worried about more important things that House Inquiries. And some *** lawyer testifying about esoteric Constitutional Law.

I'm not 100% sure but most people aren't well versed in Constitutional Law. SO this will go over the head of most Americans. And the last thing they want is condescending lawyers talking down to them.

Yeah, the two have nothing to do with each other.