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Inb4 - what's a "good" route and why is it good and not bad. Also why is the other route "bad" and not "good".

When you get the treasure boxes after mid/last boss (not incl Ou)


wait no, that cant be right. smaller light takes you to the big room before Ou, but you cant get treasure room on that path.

You mean the free floor with chests to choose from you get by chance after teleporting? That can happen after defeating any of the bosses, including Ou.

But it's random (some theories on number of points you have, idk). How can you choose to get a random free floor.

Intermediate quest Reforging Relics 2 is bugged. Not giving the Rem's tale reward. Tried it on 2 characters. Luckily this one isn't gating any other quests and can be left unfinished if necessary.

Why would you have to choose to get it? There are other ROEs that aren't thoroughly determinative, like spoils requiring drops. You can't CHOOSE to get a lizard tail on each lizard you kill.

You can do multiple omens until it happens, though. It's also possible we're not understanding what good route means.

Happy ending vs sad ending I guess (I actually have no damn idea this is not constructive nor helpful)

In the past, SE has dubbed "good lights" in Omen campaigns to mean that when you start an omen floor, the objectives are already "good" (I guess this means, the objectives are completed? or you are able to go to the next Omen floor without completing primary objectives?). My guess is that the ROE means that first "good light" is what took place. *shrug*

http://www.playonline.com/pcd/topics/ff11us/detail/21905/detail.html

I dont think I've ever seen it after Ou.

I've seen it plenty of times after Glassy and the 5 bosses, but no recollection of doing Ou then getting more loot.

That could be why it broke on that path, though. Trying to handle a condition that can't occur. Definitely can't get it from going 2f to the smaller path floor even if it is possible after Ou himself.

I think the "good lights" just refer to the good "omen" numbers you get when you port up. It doesn't have anything to do with "The light shall come even if you refuse to obey" message and subsequent free floor. I don't have a list of "good" numbers, but I have noticed that same-triple digit Omen numbers produce the treasure portent floor (which the Double Light Up Campaign helps boost, you get two chances at treasure floor vs just one). I.e. 222, 777 etc is a "good" omen number. You will see a treasure floor after killing the floor 3 boss or any of the 5 normal bosses.

Looks like being lazy with RoEs finally bit me. Need to finish Int1 now before I can get to Int2.

I know there are some classes that will appreciate only needing to make one. WAR I think is a good example for AF: Make feet, get Legs for free, and you're done with that! Or make any class head/hands/legs/feet, save 5m on a body piece. I'm okay with this, personally.

Good: Glad I'm not the only one who doesnt think you can get treasure floor after Ou.


Bad: My ally is a Galka.

How you know I aint change races?

Have seen it after Ou at least twice. It's already rare, and you do the other bosses a lot more often than Ou.

I distinctly remember getting the 666 omens message and thinking I had a treasure floor coming only to never get it on an Ou run FWIW.

Fairly certain you can get a treasure room after Ou, it's presumably less common though because you only get lights in the first two rooms and the whole trash loop doesn't count.

Wrong.

Unless you're doing all 5 bosses then burning everyones beads for one Ou to restart the cycle.

I'm willing to go through my logs and confirm it, I just dont remember what the message I'd be looking for is. Something about a flash of light or whatever.

I've got those messages plenty of times with no free floor after it.

Hence why I always thought "those numbers mean there's a free floor coming" was a myth.

Have done way way too much Omen, fwiw.

Nynja Edit (get it?): Correction - I do Ou a lot less often.

What's the message for a free floor in Omen? I can grep the logs.

The message is
"The light contains... something other than peace and serenity!"
or at least that's the only one I've ever seen - quickly went to youtube to verify and the first video I found also had that message so I assume it's always that one.

What's your definition of "free floor"? Are you talking about not having to do objectives? Because its what I said above:


You get a POP exclamation afterwards and the portal pops on the floor.

What Lightning described is the "free treasure room" floor. Not the same thing, but apparently could be related to Omens in the same way, and I am mistaken in my first comment where I said Omen numbers is unrelated.

I thought the omen lights were related to treasure floors on 3/5
Whoever maintains the monthly campaign page believes so too

Yeah, I assumed the good path was "free floor" and not "The light shall come even if you fail to obey" or whatever the hell the actual omen lights/numbers are related to.

I could easily be wrong! There's so many little subsystems!

Its hardcoded to decline race swaps away from Galka, “there arent enough in VanaDiel” (there are too many)

diversity is our strength

I did too as evidence by my first comments, but Felgar brought up objectives in a previous comment (which have nothing to do with Omen lights from my understanding), so I admitted I wasn't sure completely and that there a possibility that Omen numbers could possibly be related to whether or not you get an objective-less floor.


No idea where Felgar drew his conclusion from.

Gotta wait for the spaghetti coders to fix omen and see what flags the RoE as complete:
Free objective
Or
Treasure floor


Im still gonna parse my logs for treasure floors and see if I got any after Ou, because Im willing to bet the farm it hasnt happened for me. This doesnt mean it cant happen and Ive been unlucky.

Everything is so damn vague. Just plainly state what the Omen lights do. From the beginning it always seemed to be about the treasure floors, but thematically "Omens" could easily apply to both and affect different things (how many treasure boxes you can open, how many free cards you can get from objective-less floors, what kind of objectives you get, etc). We may have never noticed the relationship because it's too random and ambiguous to determine. And we do most of the objectives anyways

Omen has a light-up effect on characters (and a sound effect) when the floor's primary objective is complete, right? I always assumed the Omen campaign was trying to say that the floor's main objective was easier to complete (as a result of the campaign). Sometimes you get a spectral light in omen anyway, and the campaign say you won't get a light in that case. (This campaign "benefit" is of course, underwhelming and on par with SE's typically lukewarm campaigns). But Buuki, you're saying it's related to the increasing treasure floors that randomly appear with 12/13 chests? ....I don't know man, I just pay my $12.95 like everyone else and can only guess what SE means to tell us in this context. It's possible, I've misunderstood the Omen campaign objective this whole time, but I've never felt that "two chances of omen lights" meant Treasure Floors. I always thought it meant "the floors primary objective is easier to mark as completed".

Anyway: I parsed the occurrence of the Treasure floor message posted above (1,166 omen runs from 2017-2026) and I found that 0/110 Treasure floor occurrences were from killing Ou. Here's a breakdown of which NM was killed before the treasure floor appeared: