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All of these have a value but zero are 5m+ in value

A famous slightly altered quote, There's no such thing as bad gear, only bad prices of said gear.

OK so...I disagree but, these pieces are BiS for everything I listed. How do you put a value on the best piece you can use in a slot for a spell/JA/WS? I would argue that a piece of gear for 5m is a smash deal.

Sure, it's been (repeatedly) compared to Ody gear, how about we take a look at a different perspective?

5m is a hell of a lot cheaper than:
JSE+2 necks
Any REMA
All Su3+1 gear
Most Abjuration+1 gear
Anything you can "buy" from trove
Any Unity gear that requires Hides/Scales
Osash/epa ring
Tons of other crafted gear (Stikini, Moonlight stuff, etc)

So...yeah, I think it's pretty reasonable to get +3 AF gear, relative to what other endgame gear costs. Frankly, it's a pretty incredible deal.

Why shoud they have to sell their swarts to pay for upgrades to nearly decade old gear, instead of using them to upgrade weapons or fund more meaningful purchases? The gear shouldn't cost that much to upgrade in the first place.

Especially when we're talking about mostly super-situational stuff like Maletaru's overly bloated list. Certainly not gonna pick through all that item by item, but when I just glance through and see stuff like you saying it's really valuable and you're talking about THF Evisceration gear (zero of which is even BiS, for a niche WS), NIN Daken hands that nobody in their right mind should be using ever, BST AF body when the Relic body does the same thing better and cheaper... Yeah, great items dawg. You make your attempted point weaker by diluting your list with garbage.


Oh, that post where you say "I'm not against making it easier, but [list of reasons why any suggested change to make it easier is unacceptable to you]". Gotcha.

This is mostly outdated gear. It might become a lot more relevant if they bump it up to add augments or +4 versions or something. In that case, I think it would make sense to streamline the process of getting to the current level so maybe people can have a more enjoyable time participating in Limbus.

But nope, you're gonna have a reason to complain about every suggestion.


Oh my gosh, one of RNG's threefour 18% movement speed options (5 if you count ring) costs a lot less than a REMA. That must make them a bargain, actually!

Wow you guys are bored. Lots of patch stuff needing to be discussed.

OK, if you don't think it's good then don't make it. Then you don't need to spend the 5m. If you think it's good, then you spend the 5m on it.

How are you gonna complain that this gear is ***and then in the same breath complain that it's too expensive? If it's not good there's a pretty simple solution: don't make the gear. If it's good, which I think in many cases it is, then it's worth the TINY investment in your character.

In the grand scheme of things, you'll be spending billions of gil on your character to get a job or two geared up. Spending 6m on a best-in-slot piece of gear is not something to get your panties in a twist about.

I'm just making fun of you putting RNG feet on your long know-it-all list of SUPER VALUABLE ITEMS in your dismissive response ("what are you guys smoking?") to someone else who said AF3 is expensive relative to its value.

If its "nearly decades old gear" then it must be ***, so dont upgrade it.

I am really struggling to understand why age of a piece of gear is a factor here. If it's useful, it is useful.

Some older pieces of gear are "if only" useful, as in they have some really important stat (fast cast, high hp, sird...) but lack stuff like meva or dt that is ubiquitous today. But that's not always the case, and has little to do with age. Adamantite Armor is the most recent item we got, and is too an "if only" piece despite being super new.

Everything devalues as it ages. AF+3 cannot. It goes against the laws of economics.

It's not an appreciable asset. The longer it's out, the more common it is, the cheaper it gets. Square *** up the system and set the price as static in perpetuity.

New events should've started dropping the materials, to lower the price. But they can't because they broke the rules and made the items too valuable in synthesis.

You should only make a piece of JSE if it's useful. Price is totally irrelevant. I just bought the shards for RNG hands+3 and went to upgrade them, but because macuil platings are 700k/piece for the +3 and the piece itself is terrible to begin with,I refused to upgrade them. Didn't even think they were worth the 100k in shard fees, but the price of stingers and platings instantly made me say nope. Unless you're upgrading just for completions sake. Some JSE are so bad it's completely unreasonable to dump any money into it while others do offer something that could be "worthwhile". Ymmv.

I find myself in the unusual position of siding with Eiryl over MT. With the amount of other gear available now, AF+3 is a poor deal. There's no reason it should require the amount of gil-only NPC mats that it does in 2025. The macro argument is fine for players who are already maxed out and doing a new job, they aren't going to cry over a few million.

The consideration is different for a starting or returning player. When you can get a whole Nyame or Sakpata set for a fraction of the cost, counting the merc, it's hard to justify buying AF+3 to gain an extra second or two on an ability. Even the movement boots argument is weak; Fajin and Jute+1 are from easier content and much faster to get.

On the other hand, it's still not that big a deal for people who want it. I'd rather SE not waste their one monthly task on reworking the upgrade mats. But, if it were changed, I think it'd be perfectly justifiable.

So don't change the reequirements but just make all the mats more common to drive price down. Make the weekly kill give 2-3 items instead of 1.

To make Maletaru rage: All they have to do is change the value from 1 to 2 and it would be done.

I assume this was covered earlier, but NPC mats are the main part of the cost and it'd be a bad idea to reduce those. They're one of the biggest gil sinks in the game, and we need gil sinks to offset Odyssey. So, a good solution would likely involve changing the materials rather than making the existing ones more common.

In a perfect world where dev time was free, I'd just introduce a second set of materials that can be subbed in and have them drop from Odyssey NMs at any vengeance [maybe multiple at higher]. There'd be a trickle to market and if they had no uses other than upgrades they'd have to remain cheaper than the NPC options. But, again, don't think it's worth their time.

Have alternate requirements where people can use their scores of excess Ra'Kaznar Sapphires and Starstones for AF/Relic respectively, maybe. Takes more game progression to get to the point where that'd be an option.

AF+2/3 also already have the fast/cheap differences in bead costs, but maybe at this point making two tiers for fewer cards/same NPC mats and current cards/cheap or no mats could balance it too.

It all boils down to the same thing.

If you remove the mats, crafters (not me) lose something to craft for profit/skillups/whatever.

If you lower the mat cost, you explode the price of dozens of crafted items.

This is why I said it's difficult to come up with a solution, and pointed out these problems when these ideas were suggested earlier.

I don't have any skin in the game, IDGAF if they reduce this stuff from my personal perspective, I'm just pointing out the flaws in these galaxy-brained ideas.

Then just dont upgrade the piece? If its so bad and so useless, just dont spend the 6 mil on it.

A brand new player who just finished RoV cant upgrade anything to +3 even if they bought their gil. Depending what piece it is, its still gonna be two weeks minimum of Omen (unless its Omen Card campaign) to get the cards needed to upgrade the item.

It would be nice to have the gear as a stepping stone option, since Omen is highly soloable. When it costs enough that you could buy your way to the top of the ladder, it can't serve as that. I don't think it's the biggest problem facing FFXI today. It's just priced a little high for what it is.

Did you read the post where I laid out how someone will actually make gil farming their cards needed to upgrade their "stepping stone" armor?

Farming the cards they need (a step they can not avoid, they can not expedite) should result in a net gain of gil. You can not speed the card farming process up, other than Omen Card campaigns.

You just said a handful of posts ago that the high cost of the materials is a necessary evil to remove gil from the economy, so that has to stay. Your suggestion was "introduce new items that are farmable", however those "new items" will remove needing to go through the necessary evil that removes gil from the economy.