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Random Politics & Religion #13
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Garuda.Chanti said: » And in other news.... Clinton Holds 11-Point National Lead Over Trump: NBC/WSJ Poll NBC News Poll: Clinton leads Trump by just 4 points despite lewd comments (ABC News/Washington Post national poll) Politico .... I think LATs Polls had Trump ahead. Valefor.Sehachan said: » As far as Italy is concerned, the news are all about how Hillary Clinton made Berlusconi cry and then mocked him during the Goldman Sachs speech! There is definitely a lot in the emails, mostly personal insults and their obvious pandering on issues. Also them targeting Bernie pretty hard. Best one is probably them emailing about Hillary's stance on the LGBT community and how she doesn't support their idea but should show support for them to win over their votes. Also the part about her not making weed legal ever was pretty big, especially for those voting on that issue. Garuda.Chanti said: » Donations from American citizens who are lobbyists for foreign interest are NOT foreign donations. Not making a legal fiasco out of it but rather an issue with conflict of interest. If that makes any sense. Offline
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The worst part of this is that some of you are think you are informed enough to vote.
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It's about time we have people take a test to be allowed to vote. Enough of letting any joe six pack's vote be counted the same as mine.
fonewear said: » The worst part of this is that some of you are think you are informed enough to vote. If you live in California or Texas, for example, your vote is pretty much locked, because both states are so entrenched in either the liberal or conservative camps that, you can stay home and not even come close to effecting the outcome in that state. It's the battleground states that will elect the president, and even then, it depends on what the "undecided" idiots decide to vote for that day. Those are the ones who are truly in power. And it sucks that my vote is really decided by those who cannot decide for themselves. Offline
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It sucks that people pick their vote based on the color someone is representing. The two party system is almost as stupid as media political bias.
eliroo said: » It sucks that people pick their vote based on the color someone is representing. The two party system is almost as stupid as media political bias. Offline
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We need to reconsider how we do our voting then and how we pick our candidates.
- We need more education on voting and politics in our schools - Vote day needs to be a mandated paid holiday. - Media reporting on political elections needs some sort of regulation. - The RNC and DNC both need to die in a pit and burn away. And in actual bipartisan good news:
Democrats raise $13K to reopen firebombed GOP headquarters USA Today Quote: A group of Democrats came together Sunday to raise money to rebuild a Republican headquarters that was firebombed in North Carolina on Saturday night. The GOP headquarters in Orange County, N.C., suffered major damage when an explosive device was thrown through a window on Saturday night, according to officials. The words “Nazi Republicans leave town or else” were spray-painted on a nearby building. Dallas Woodhouse, executive director of the North Carolina Republican Party, denounced the attack, calling it “political terrorism.” He said all Americans “should be outraged by this hate-filled and violent attack against our democracy.” On Sunday, David Weinberger began a GoFundMe page to raise $10,000 to rebuild the Hillsborough, N.C., headquarters. “As Democrats, we are starting this campaign to enable the Orange County, N.C., Republican office to re-open as soon as possible,” the page said in the story section. The group said that while it’s still unclear who attacked the office, or why, one thing is clear: “This is not how Americans resolve their differences.” “We talk, we argue, sometimes we march, and most of all we vote. We do not resort to violence by individuals or by mobs,” the group said. “So, let's all pitch in, no matter what your party affiliation, and get that office open again quickly.” Within forty minutes of posting, the group surpassed the goal and raised $13,117. Many of those who donated made comments about supporting people regardless of party affiliation. "Not a Republican, but we all stand together against such anti-democratic violence," one person wrote, while another said, "This Democrat from Indiana hopes you're able to get your back to your office as soon as possible." The group is no longer accepting donations but asked that those who want to contribute donate to a North Carolina school through Donors Choose. eliroo said: » We need more education unfortunately that wont help until we get smarter educators... teaching is something people go into when they realize they wasted eight years paying for classes that they never went to, at a college no one has ever heard of, taking subjects that interested them/filled a vacancy, only to realize too late that nobody in the real worlds would pay for their fractured, marijuana foggy understanding of early mesoamerican pottery and classical French poetry... and then we wonder why they don't teach kids about balancing checkbooks, the value of savings, the pitfalls of borrowing money, or anything else of a practical nature... *spoiler alert* it's because their teachers never learned those lessons either.. no... instead my kid screams and pulls his hair out every time someone turns on the water faucet because his "teacher" spent all her time warning him about "wasting water" and they think the drain is a suckhole into another dimension where the water cycle has no meaning... >.> Offline
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Garuda.Chanti said: » And in actual bipartisan good news: Democrats raise $13K to reopen firebombed GOP headquarters USA Today Quote: A group of Democrats came together Sunday to raise money to rebuild a Republican headquarters that was firebombed in North Carolina on Saturday night. The GOP headquarters in Orange County, N.C., suffered major damage when an explosive device was thrown through a window on Saturday night, according to officials. The words “Nazi Republicans leave town or else” were spray-painted on a nearby building. Dallas Woodhouse, executive director of the North Carolina Republican Party, denounced the attack, calling it “political terrorism.” He said all Americans “should be outraged by this hate-filled and violent attack against our democracy.” On Sunday, David Weinberger began a GoFundMe page to raise $10,000 to rebuild the Hillsborough, N.C., headquarters. “As Democrats, we are starting this campaign to enable the Orange County, N.C., Republican office to re-open as soon as possible,” the page said in the story section. The group said that while it’s still unclear who attacked the office, or why, one thing is clear: “This is not how Americans resolve their differences.” “We talk, we argue, sometimes we march, and most of all we vote. We do not resort to violence by individuals or by mobs,” the group said. “So, let's all pitch in, no matter what your party affiliation, and get that office open again quickly.” Within forty minutes of posting, the group surpassed the goal and raised $13,117. Many of those who donated made comments about supporting people regardless of party affiliation. "Not a Republican, but we all stand together against such anti-democratic violence," one person wrote, while another said, "This Democrat from Indiana hopes you're able to get your back to your office as soon as possible." The group is no longer accepting donations but asked that those who want to contribute donate to a North Carolina school through Donors Choose. What were you doing in North Carolina Chanti I have pictures ! eliroo said: » We need to reconsider how we do our voting then and how we pick our candidates. - We need more education on voting and politics in our schools - Vote day needs to be a mandated paid holiday. - Media reporting on political elections needs some sort of regulation. - The RNC and DNC both need to die in a pit and burn away. Offline
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: » eliroo said: » We need to reconsider how we do our voting then and how we pick our candidates. - We need more education on voting and politics in our schools - Vote day needs to be a mandated paid holiday. - Media reporting on political elections needs some sort of regulation. - The RNC and DNC both need to die in a pit and burn away. I don't think silencing the media is what I was getting at but rather work on keeping their reporting unbiased. There is a clear difference between reporting and pushing an idea and a narrative. Even Obama agrees that the media needs to be looked at it. It is definitely a dicey situation but currently the media is run by corporations with political interests which IMO is far, far worse than being moderated by the government. But its ok, we can dismiss any idea that would better our political our process by claiming it is unconstitutional without actually thinking about a positive solution. I guess you don't mind propaganda and want an election as crappy as this one every 4 years. Shiva.Nikolce said: » unfortunately that wont help until we get smarter educators... A lot of this has to do with how much we are paying our educators. I also think that smarter is nice but more understanding is better. This is a problem that will be fixed over time but we need to start sooner or later. Increasing their pay and benefits is a good way to start and then finding a way to hold their teaching accountable and unbias (especially in the political department). Education needs to be and raw and unfiltered. I know here in Texas that religious and conservative bias runs pretty deep in our education, except in a few of our colleges where there is a heavy liberal bias. Even if the US had more parties, how do you folk imagine them working out?
You'd have a Democratic and Republican party flanked by a far-left, Greenish party and a far right, Conservative party. I guess an argument could be made for a Libertarian party too. However, right now the Greens nor the Libertarians have the organization or platform to stand on their own beyond the "two parties suck!" mantra. Both have proven to fail as soon as even the lightest pressure is placed on their candidates. Extreme parties are also more likely to dig in and refuse to compromise on positions. The issue is when it comes to passing laws and consolidating power, what keeps the disparate pieces from becoming whole again? Libertarians would have to caucus with Republicans because they're ideologically poisonous to Greens and vice/versa. You live in a capitalist country and so long as media is for the express purpose of making money, you're going to see bias. Because all news is biased and that's been a thing US history has dealt with since the criers in a public square and early colonial newspapers.
Think of news as a spectrum and pull your information from multiple sources. PBS has quality programming, BBC and Al Jazeera are also good places to tap for news. It also gives you a differing perspective on what's going on. The greatest sin you can commit upon yourself is to drink from one news source. Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: » Even if the US had more parties, how do you folk imagine them working out? I just discovered USA moved the defcon to 3 last week.
Valefor.Sehachan said: » Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: » Even if the US had more parties, how do you folk imagine them working out? I'd argue the Sanders and Trump campaigns are both desires for change among Americans. It still doesn't answer how a far-left and far-right party would work in a country where donors and a political machine trend towards consolidation. I meant the parties themselves don't want change. Sure two oddballs popped out this year but both have been ostracized.
Valefor.Sehachan said: » I meant the parties themselves don't want change. Sure two oddballs popped out this year but both have been ostracized. And yet nothing stops a more capable Trump-esque figure or a more organized Sanders type from springing up in the future. eliroo said: » A lot of this has to do with how much we are paying our educators. well good luck busting the federal/state/local government workers unions, hiring/paying teachers based on performance, year round school, reforming the curriculum without selling the kid's souls to Microsoft or some other corporate monstrosity, rebuilding the family in the inner cities and then instilling in them the value of a good education and respect for authority figures including, but not limited to, teachers, crossing guards, police, firemen, the military, etc. if you could go ahead and solve the vicious cycle of poverty while you are at it that would be great... Offline
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I deal with the anime posters moderators and holocaust deniers so you don't have to !
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: » eliroo said: » It is definitely a dicey situation but currently the media is run by corporations with political interests which IMO is far, far worse than being moderated by the government. Medias being moderated by the government is the worst idea ever. But the media being moderated by large corporations is a better idea? At least the government has a chance to be for the interest of the people. I'm not even talking about full government control, just simply pushing political bias out of reporting. Such as making "News channels" follow certain rules otherwise the channels can't be called News is opinion is inserted. I'm positive there are ways to do this without giving the government control of the media. You are just being closed minded. Valefor.Sehachan said: » Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: » Even if the US had more parties, how do you folk imagine them working out? I think this hits the nail on the head. We are even conditioned to believe that there is no way to change. Such as people claiming "Don t vote for 3rd party because they have no way to win". There are ways to limit the party system to allow for other parties to be considered, the highest seat in our government shouldn't come down to two people. We should have a much broader array of people to choose from and vote based on the ones that actually support our views. Shiva.Nikolce said: » eliroo said: » A lot of this has to do with how much we are paying our educators. well good luck busting the federal/state/local government workers unions, hiring/paying teachers based on performance, year round school, reforming the curriculum without selling the kid's souls to Microsoft or some other corporate monstrosity, rebuilding the family in the inner cities and then instilling in them the value of a good education and respect for authority figures including, but not limited to, teachers, crossing guards, police, firemen, the military, etc. if you could go ahead and solve the vicious cycle of poverty while you are at it that would be great... I think giving up on an idea because it seems improbable is a bad idea. We can't just roll over because something seems hard. Offline
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In other news the FBI released their report on the clinton email investigation : https://vault.fbi.gov/hillary-r.-clinton/hillary-r.-clinton-part-01-of-04/view
Quite a big thing to read, but I'm trying to pull out information without bias inserted in. Offline
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Here is the link for all four parts: https://vault.fbi.gov/hillary-r.-clinton
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: » eliroo said: » But the media being moderated by large corporations is a better idea? At least the government has a chance to be for the interest of the people. I'm not even talking about full government control, just simply pushing political bias out of reporting. Such as making "News channels" follow certain rules otherwise the channels can't be called News is opinion is inserted. I'm positive there are ways to do this without giving the government control of the media. You are just being closed minded. Government controlling the medias, what could possibly go wrong? That's getting closer and closer to dictatorship. You can't remove bias, people are biased and people are making the news. Here we have a law where the medias cannot knowingly lie or they get fined, it's far from efficient. Controlling and moderating are two different things. Shiva.Nikolce said: » eliroo said: » A lot of this has to do with how much we are paying our educators. well good luck busting the federal/state/local government workers unions, hiring/paying teachers based on performance, year round school, reforming the curriculum without selling the kid's souls to Microsoft or some other corporate monstrosity, rebuilding the family in the inner cities and then instilling in them the value of a good education and respect for authority figures including, but not limited to, teachers, crossing guards, police, firemen, the military, etc. if you could go ahead and solve the vicious cycle of poverty while you are at it that would be great... Poverty, life's TPS reports. |
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