Jack Of All Trades: A Guide To Red Mage

The video that you linked has brd, cor and geo buffs. None of his ws demonstrates the potential that makes "50k isn't uncommon" or "rdm should toast cor" statement true. It's just normal savage damage on both cor and rdm with capped attack.

And you got mad at me for saying you are exaggerating, ok. Fine. I'm the immature one, everyone else can enjoy exaggerated info on forums. I'm out of this none sense since video disproves itself.

His (Byrne's) WS set is pretty similar to my own, except Metalsinger Belt (he has an Idris GEO/REMA BRD at will) and a 9% WSD pair of Chironic feet. Yes, I have Sequence.

The COR I tested against only had about 5k over me and I had an additional WS (target was Kabhanda); on the following mob (Belphegor or Taelmoth, idr which) # of WS were equal but again, I lagged behind about 6k/WS.

I possess zero WSD Chironic. This corsair is exceedingly well geared and I'm not even mad that I didn't "win", it showed me I still have improvement to make.

Re: melee RDM hate... If you don't like it, don't melee. Lots of us do. Lots of us are pretty good at it.

Nobody is hating on rdm melee. But this is public forum and any exaggerated info quickly turn into hearsay in community.

Someone said RDM "should toast cor" (implying RDM is one tier better DD than cor) and "50k isn't uncommon" (implying RDM pops 50k left and right when other DDs do 30k) is just exaggerating and twisting facts.

Pointing out facts are being twisted =/= rdm melee hate. God forbid people provide more accurate info.

@Seeker May I know why you often pop on the forums making assumptions that every posters are hating on RDM in every posts?

You do that in PLD thread when we discussed VD setup, you popped, made random comment implying pt not having RDM in pt = doesn't have skill.

Then you do that in dyna wave 3 thread implying any melee pt without macc buffs/debuffs = hating on rdm.

Then you do it here, in the middle of discussion about people exaggerating ws number, implying people are "hating" RDM melee.

I know RDM isn't a common job, and many people have biased opinion about it. But you are reading what's being discussed completely wrong by giving it a meaning that doesn't exist.

Afania, if I had a *** I'd ask you to get off it. Since I don't, I'll share the sentiment instead.

You, personally, you, Afania the main COR with a widely displayed dislike of anything that resembles a red mage doing anything but Haste/Flurry/debuffs or whatever else, do not belong in a serious discussion on how to improve DD sets YOU said you'd never utilize.

I didn't jump in, I brought my testing up... or did you just see me and assume?

We all know what THAT does.

if you search through post history, you would actually see that's not the case

This is absolutely ballcrap. I think you mistake me as another person.

Link me the post that I said RDM should just sit there in pt casting haste/flurr/debuffs in pt.

If someone doesn't want to believe rdm potential, let it be. If they argue with you, smile and walk away. Either they will stay blind or eventually come around.

This site has a history of people arguing about simple things due to denial or inaccurate spreadsheets being their only knowledge. Months later they all pretend it never happened and begin to see more and more people doing it.

Do what I do, ignore/block them and talk to the people that want to learn, share sets and information that would rather learn than argue.I have an ever growing blacklist on this website. Too many immature people that only read partial post and/or play word games.

Someone doesn't want to learn, ok. Wish you the best, I am going another path that doesn't involve that person.

Posting a picture of an Omen run to brag about WS dmg while your samurai is averaging 14k is a joke.

Anyone that can't do 30k objective with a brd is aweful.

For savage it's (barring DM):
head: relic+3
body: relic+3
hands: jhakri+2 attack uncapped, af+3 attack capped
legs: jhakri+2
feet: jhakri+2

for CDC:
head: volte capped, taeon 3/3/2020 uncapped
body: volte>ayanmo barely attack capped, taeon 3/3/2020 uncapped
hands: volte attack capped, jhakri uncapped
legs: relic+3
feet: thereoid.

Average WS damage is what matters, not the single spike. Afania has a good history on this forum take your random attack out of here.

If anyone has to ask an LS how sweet your rdm dd does vs their DDs, the DDs suck. Again posting 30+k savage plades when a samurai is averaging 14-15k says more about the samurai than the rdm.

The blu spreadsheet is incredibly easy to convert for rdm.

sidenote:
I think without weapons max enhancing skill should be 613? This leads to 31% Temper, 103 base Enspell dmg. (with +11 sword this becomes 32%/105, with dw +11/+10 weapons this becomes 33%/106).

And I do the work for Seeker. Here are a couple of my post history about RDM job. I even bold the part that clearly says the opposite of what Seeker said.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxi/comments/7edpy0/viability_and_role_of_red_mages_in_end_game/


https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxi/comments/735atb/red_mage_forgotten/#thing_t1_dnntpft


https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxi/comments/7062tp/advice_for_recently_returned_solo_melee_rdm/


https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxi/comments/5tws2v/jobs/


https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxi/comments/66lo9m/best_jobs_to_play_currently/


(Yes I said "If you are casual, avoid RDM like plague" in the end, but any serious rdm would know that's not hating the job, more like doing the job justice.)

And here's more link of myself, replying literally every single RDM questions on forum, or participate in DD RDM discussions.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxi/comments/5zhb2m/returning_player_gearing_rdm/

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxi/comments/84e2oj/rdm_progression/

https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/49688/jack-of-all-trades-a-guide-to-red-mage/5/


There's a lot more, since I've been posting about various use of RDM for so long that it's damn difficult to track everything, especially on AH.com.

The most ironic thing is that when I worked my *** out and almost fighting for RDM's position in FFXI community by replying every single anti-post about RDM, Seeker didn't even post one thing about RDM back then.

And back then when I spreadsheeted melee rdm sets and post my findings/sets in this thread, Seeker didn't participate the discussion back then.

And now Seekerstar, appearantly just recently jump into RDM discussions, suddenly become the leading authority of serious RDM in the community while people who posted about the job for far longer history are not serious enough about RDM and just hating on the job.

There IS a reason why 2 people immediately disagree with you when you made claims that I'm anti RDM and hating the job. Because they actually read my posts.

If you read any of the RDM discussions for long enough, you would realize how wrong you are about my stance on RDM.

I'll just take my random self right on out of this thread, then. If nobody wants to see how this person has deliberately tried to undermine any point, salient or no, that I bring up...well, I'll share knowledge elsewhere.

HOLD THE *** UP.

ONE sec, editing.

I'm going to find that post and edit it in.

I am here aruging with you, because I am WELL AWARE of RDM's potential.

Just because I am not exaggerating like you and citing facts, doesn't mean I am hating.

Can I pop on the forum and make exaggerated claims like "My RDM pops 50k savage left and right and MB 99999k" to show that I love the job? Sure.

But this kind of exaggeration does more harm to the job in the eyes of community than good. It just makes the community hate the job even more.

If you want to improve RDM's position, spend more times on building better sets, answer peoples question. Rather than vomit exaggerations like "50k savage blade" then link a video that disprove itself.

I firmly believe I do that for RDM. Back then whe people didn't even know the correct way to gear DD RDM, I was the one who spent my time updating spreadsheets to figure out which gears are better, and participated in several DD RDM discussions.

Many of the modern knowledge about RDM gears like "offhand Terion" "don't DD with Murg" was concluded at that time, with info from spreadsheet, with several other posters like Boshi.

And ironically, you are using the knowledge came from those people(who uses spreadsheet to determine bis gears) to gear your RDM, while hating on spreadsheet, and my approach with spreadsheet?

What kind of contribution have you done in RDM community, regarding the DPSing? Link a few more posts that's more than "50k savage isn't uncommon"

If you, or seeker, thinks you are more serious and represents the authority of RDM community better, feel free to send a tell to Rydal so you can update the guide. Because as far as I know of, I was the only person who ended up asked for such responsibility when he quit.

Can't tell who boshi is replying to, looks like he is trying to reply to several people but rolled them all into one

To someone that make claims of spreadsheet being inaccruate and use sequence/ternion build to DD anyways, here is the link to why this build become meta:

https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/49688/jack-of-all-trades-a-guide-to-red-mage/12/




And look, info from spreadsheet!

You use the gear and bragged about 50k savages because someone else said it's the best offhand, someone else said it's best offhand because spreadsheet said so, and now you pop on the forum saying spreadsheets are inaccurate while using the exact same build as spreadsheet results. Ironic isn't it.

That's what jumped out at me, too. XD

yeah what did i do boshi? I’m not Evan been involved in this discussion i was simple replying to aero's post about improving his tp sets so i posted sets and pic with some of the avg ws damage from those sets, hence why I quoted him in i wasnt bragging my friend.

this is the problem with the rdm forum page every time someone bring up rdm dd it goes crazy. good job aero ^^

This, and I'm still waiting for Seeker to link me a quote saying this:


Did you back off after you learned that you can't find the post?

I think the most anti rdm melee statement I've ever made in life is saying rdm won't get a melee DD slot in endgame alliance zergs like woc or dyna wave 3 boss because it's often taken by war drk sam, unless your ls lacks talented DD.

Never said I'll never utilize rdm melee and my quotes clearly supports rdm melee in 6 man pt with sc setup being competitive to other dds.

Afania sums it up in this post perfectly, thundercats I admire your work on rdm but don’t belittle someone for not beating cor in dps then expect not to get called out. I was really looking forward to some good discussions too, I can wait another year

Only reason I saw that post was because of the quote.

Afania is exaggerating what I said, I said something wasn't uncommon, he took it to a freak out level and is making up things and putting words in my mouth.

I can guarantee you have no idea where I got BiS gear options, because it wasn't from this forum, the information I got was from someone that no longer even plays the game. Quit more than a year ago.

I didn't link a video to disprove rdm 50k potential, in fact I linked 2 videos, one being 7 months old, both being under buffed.

This goes back to twisting things to see them the way you want to see them.

Finally, Fenderiann, i assume you were talking to me, but you got the name wrong, either way, I was not belittling anyone, I was merely stating they will get better results the more time and effort they put into a job, in this case rdm.

I wouldn't mind getting called out if I was wrong, but since another person has even said they have hit 50k on rdm, as well as I have done, that is additional validation. Not that I need to really go out of my way to make a point for randoms on the internet.

I really, honestly 100% don't care if someone does not believe me, I was just here to give some hope and advice to the people that actually care. For everyone else? Eh, I have better things to do with my time than to keep up an immature Internet forum scuffle with people that haven't even played with me and have zero idea what I can actually do. I have a core group of very good players that I run with, they know what I can do, and they are very happy to take me rdm melee

No, post search on this site (not Reddit, Spicy'd ban my *** from /r/FFXI in two seconds probably because he doesn't like my friends (?!) Don't get that) is about as intuitive as my mom trying to use uTorrent... and I'm searching your posts on a shitty mobile.

So calm down.

Then you should really unblist people if you intend to stay in an argument. Otherwise you can't read any posts that put you at an disadvantage.



You said something isn't uncommon, a negative in front of uncommom = common.


You linked 2 videos, one hitting 35k savage blade at capped pdif with geo brd cor. One hitting less than 30k in escha, with vorseals and temps.

None of these videos shows "50k savage isn't uncommon" remotely true. There is a huge jump to make up the 10-15k ws damage difference with gears that we have. You aren't just going to magically do 15k more ws damage by stacking cor brd geos and cap attack.

and I clearly said 50k is doable, they are just uncommon. When you said 50k is not uncommon, I disagree then you got mad. ok.


And maybe that person who got the info from Boshi's spreadsheet results. You think people in ffxi magically know what the bis gears are? They do maths, and spreadsheet do maths too. You are just attacking spreadsheets because it's a convinient way to win a FFXI internet argument, not because it's inaccurate like you said.

Majority of meta gears for DD in endgame community are still built with spreadsheet results, most people in game just follow them.

How many people copy Ejiin's sets to gear SAM? How many people copy Boshi's set for RDM? How many people follow Langly's set to gear NIN? Or BLU RUN sets from job guides? Afaik they all use spreadsheets to build their sets.


You are acting as if others who thinks you are exaggerating doesn't know anything about RDM, despite other career RDMs like Boshi call you exaggerating in this discussion too?

Game is out long enough and we have enough players reaching top end community. We more or less already seen what a job could do when played at max potential. If people question 50k savages being common, it's probably because it's too far beyond common sense.

So Get off your high horse that only you know best.

I'm perfectly calm, and I already know which post that you are referring to, and addressed it in the last post.

I think you just read the surface of a post and misunderstood what I really meant. or you got the wrong person.

My issue isn't you misread posts or got the wrong person, but about you making assumptions on people that you don't even know. You jump into conclusions about people because you read 2 sentences of their posts somewhere, and not even the whole thing.

I already linked you tons and tons of posts about my stance on RDM which all contradicted what you said about my RDM stance, I haven't hear one explanation about you regarding this:


You think "I" would never utilize melee RDM. But the only post I ever made that has connection to it was "in higher level content" RDM probably will never utilize melee sets because WAR DRK SAM often takes the spot in alliances in an endgame shell with talented DDs.

I'm describing what's happening in endgame scene from objective pov that has nothing to do with my preference, but you read it and take it to the next level by assuming it's my preference or my choice because I have personal hatred toward RDM. Then immedately assumed that everything I post (including asking about leaden salute macc in dyna wave 3) has something to do with hating RDM.

You see the issue here? There is a damn good reason why as soon as you throw out random attacks by claiming I am a rdm hater multiple people disagreed with you.

I made several comment about melee playstyle is less useful than mage playstyle, and DD spots are frenquently taken by another DD in higher level endgame, so it's ok to skip melee sets if you don't bring RDM to everything. and that does not have equal meaning as "I" will never utilize melee RDM, or tell serious RDM never build melee sets.

I just don't understand how you jump into the conclusion that i'm a rdm hater immediately after I asked a question about leaden set macc.


No, I don't have an issue with "you", you think too much. I rarely got personal on forums, it's 95% about the content of the posts and only 5% about with people if they are people I know in game so I get to joke/tease them.

I usually call out posts that has incorrect info or not following the topic, or have opinions that I disagree with, it has nothing to do with the posters themselves.

That's the post I was indeed referring to, and I only know you here, not on Reddit... and Reddit has so many trolls it makes Asura look like Sunday school. Therefore I take almost anything said in that venue with not a grain, but a nugget of salt. After cursory inspection that does seem to be you, unless you have an evil twin in Redditland.

FWIW I thank you for finding/recognizing the reference; I about killed myself trying to read itsy print like that.

I didn't jump to conclusions at all. I based (and continue to base) my thoughts on the way you come off toward me (seriously, just because Asura.Seekerstar has few contributions does not mean that I never contributed from another server, so I'm no more random than you)

I believe in the instance you speak of (MACC for Leaden) concerned something that pretty much every COR tells me re: Frazzle 3 interactions with Leaden.. it might help, won't hurt, could help avoid resist, and you're casting it anyway...

That's all. Me, sharing info. You jumped my ***for it, though.

A RDM can physically (not ranged, obviously) DD anything a corsair can. I will stand by that until you pry the awesome hat from my dead head. (A joke. It's been one long *** day.)

And here is the thing: You are not wrong to share info about RDM frazzle potentially being more potent than GEO debuffs. But the way you worded it has assumptions in it.


Just FYI, I can not control whether we have a RDM in dyna alliance or not, nor who will pop for dyna, nor what job will be used by linkshell leaders. What I feel about a job can't change anything about how things are done because reasons. So when you throw out random attacks like "You think red mages are useless" in a leaden discussion, it's just damn rude.

In past couple of dyna run or so, we never have any RDM. (Despite I actually offered come RDM, I ended up had to play COR for statue one shots). And the reason why we don't have any normally has nothing to do with people hating RDM, but has something to do with every member with RDM geared needs to play another job in the alliance, and we can't control who pops and who don't. Further more we don't have any career RDM that only plays RDM but not another job that needs to be used in dyna wave 3, such as DP COR, max BRD, Yagrush WHM, idris etc. So as a result, expecting a rdm every single dyna run is just unrealstic, and that has nothing to do with hating on RDM. We just go with what we have.

And even then, I am not the leader, nor I organize pts and decide on what jobs we are going to bring to dyna. So if pt doesn't use RDM, then it has nothing to do with me hating on it.

So when you make statements like this when you share info:


It comes off as being offensive and condescending, because you are assuming the result of the lack of frazzle 3 is due to myself thinking RDM being useless in dyna, when in fact it is not, more like I can't have RDM. You could just have share the info about RDM in dyna while leaving that sentence out.

Anyways. No, I don't hate RDMs, nor many other people who post on the forums. you need to stop assuming everyone on the planet are RDM haters if they don't have RDM in pt or refuse to agree with unrealstic claims like savage blade hit 50k.

It looks to me you guys trying hard to convince others rdm can dd, does someone give a fk? no.

Sometimes I wonder if those people has Persecutory delusions...

Didn't use RDM in events because nobody has them: "You think RDMs are useless if you dont' use it!"

Tell people 50k savage blade is exaggerating: "Hating on RDM melee!" "You don't know RDM's potential q.q"

That's almost like teenagers feeling special and demand others to say they are special otherwise they'll blow up schools.

But no, you are not special, nor people give a ***. Play RDM if you wish, don't personal attack others if they don't have rdm in pt. You are just giving RDMs a bad name by hijacking several threads to sell RDM using tactics to belittle others. It's annoying.

It looks to me like you're trying too hard to troll, yet you aren't very good at it.

yup, I did. Because I think it's a douchey move to randomly pop in a discussion, throw out comments like "you think RDM is useless", "melee RDM hater", then told me to gtfo of the discussion, when the discussion originally had nothing to do with you. It's like DirectX in MNK forum all over again.

Leave personal attacks out of your posts when you share info, people would appreciate it a lot more.

*waits for best opportunity to throw chair...*

By the way, I don't want to interrupt your intense debate, but here's some initial testing on the new Orpheus's Sash.

Water V
No Belt: 13152
Eschan Stone: 13305
Orpheus (14' to max distance): 13278
Orpheus (13'): 13410
Orpheus (1.93' and below): 15120

Between 13' and 1.93' it adds roughly 130~ damage to the nuke for every 1' you move closer.

So yeah, hands-down strongest nuking belt in the game now.

Oh my damn.