Random Politics & Religion #08

That you are bigoted and prejudiced towards rednecks?

We got that point a long time ago.

Oh you. You're just trying to provoke now.

*reaches over and twists your diabolical moustache for you*

He said "if you want to see hundreds of thousands of Muslims killed, you'd view her time as SoS as a success."

Well, that's what they want!

Well our conclusion is the same, if not for different reasons.

Collective bargaining will never become a "guaranteed right" because it always goes against itself.

For example: You have 2 unions in the same company who wants the same benefit. This benefit can only be given to one of the two unions. If collective bargaining is a "right," then that means that both unions must receive that benefit, but it's impossible for both unions to receive it, as it is only available for one. Therefor, the "right" itself becomes null due to it's very nature.

In other words, unions will just self-destruct if you can't have it all, and if unions have it all, it will cause the company to self-destruct and everyone ends up worse off then they were before.

Which is the very nature of the union, to hurt the worker.

Yeah... No.

Yeah... No.

Very insightful counterpoint Flavin.

I have no way to counter that!

Riveting counter-argument.

Can we get a standing ovation for this epic rebuttal!?! KN has no chance against this stellar intellect.

I love you too buddy but please you don't have to keep following me around like a lost puppy dog looking for something to bark at...

It's not even a valid point to begin with as that shows you have an extremely limited understanding of a unions place in employment and negotiating...

the real problem With unions is when they get what they bargain for then continue to shoot for more which usually causes issues both internally and externally as it focuses more on maintaining and increasing its workforce rather than meeting requirements they agree to perform...

Have you ever asked yourself "Why are companies going to states where unions are not mandatory?" One could even argue that companies are outsourcing manufacturing jobs to stay solvent against unions.

One could argue that a company that cannot provide a living wage and adequate benefits to all employees does not deserve to remain solvent.

Which is why I'm against the need for unions, better wages and benefits should be mandated by the government, period.

Retired four-star Marine Gen. John Allen, who has endorsed Hillary Clinton for president, told Yahoo News in a Thursday interview that there is “no question” that American troops will take orders from a woman commander in chief.

Allen, who commanded U.S. forces in Afghanistan and was President Obama’s top military adviser in the campaign against the so-called Islamic State, also said that Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump has said things that make U.S. forces around the world less safe.

He cited Trump’s calls to resume using torture, to target the families of suspected terrorists, and to ban travel to the United States by Muslims.

“Those kinds of comments make our troops vulnerable and at risk overseas,” he said. And that kind of language “also has the potential to light off individuals that could be radicalized in the United States … accelerating or even creating a radicalization which could push people into the arms of violent extremists.”

Asked whether American troops are ready to serve under a woman commander in chief, Allen replied that “there’s no question in my mind” that they are.

“She’s exactly the kind of person that we want to be the commander in chief,” said the Marine, who praised Clinton’s work with him when she was secretary of state and he led NATO and the U.S. forces in Afghanistan.

Asked whether Clinton’s email controversy gave him pause, Allen replied that, given his experience in dealing with her, “I have no reason to question her judgment.”

I have a limited understanding of unions to you?

Have you even dealt with unions before? Besides being a member of it that is.

Have you ever seen what a union does to a company? Have you ever looked at how many companies become insolvent because of the "collective bargaining" agreements? Hell, GM almost went out of business because of unions. They were saved only because of government intervention (which on itself, the way they were saved was not the best interest of the country).

Unions are notorious for shutting down companies, regardless of getting their way or not. And the companies that manage to survive? Their inefficiency rating is through the roof!

Have you ever asked yourself "Why are companies going to states where unions are not mandatory?" One could even argue that companies are outsourcing manufacturing jobs to stay solvent against unions.

One could argue that a company that cannot provide a living wage and adequate benefits to all employees does not deserve to remain solvent.

I believe I comment about a lack of self-awareness yesterday....

Regardless, I'm in this forum every day, and I respond to a lot of people. Don't try too hard to feel special.

Gen. Allen: ‘No question’ troops will follow woman commander in chief


Discuss.

Actually smells a little like manufactured controversy to me. I don't recall there ever being a question of troops being willing following a female president.

Which brings up another topic: What a person's skill is worth.

You shouldn't expect people with no skills to make six figures a year. Also, you can't really believe that people who do have skills aren't being paid at the market value.

And that has nothing to do with collective bargaining. Those that are in unions want more money for less work, and keep demanding it until the company goes out of business, then moves on to the next company doing the exact same thing.

Unions are leeches of society. Plain and simple.

Gen. Allen: ‘No question’ troops will follow woman commander in chief