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Treason and Congress letter to Iran - No one undermines the US like the Republicans
Treason and Congress letter to Iran - No one undermines the US like the Republicans
Leviathan.Chaosx said: » If Obama has 47 republican senators arrested, forgot what they did for a moment, and realize the shitstorm that will cause though. In theory I enjoy the idea of the pandemonium that would cause. In practice, I'd prefer to keep the boat unrocked.
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Fenrir.Candlejack said: » Hey, they're the ones that broke federal laws. I know if I broke a federal law, I'd be in cuffs quicker than you could say "jackrabbit". There are all kinds of things you would be arrested for that senators get away with. Ted Kennedy killed a woman, ffs. *** Cheney shot his friend in the *** face.  (This post primarily a means to use that picture; I love that collage.)
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No one is going to jail. And Blood, what you said is just disappointing. So, we should make decisions based on what people might do, not based on what the right thing to do is? Whether they have cooperated in the past, and whether they cooperate in the future doesn't mean that we should just throw all cooperation to the wind and say, "Every man for himself". You essentially stated, since they haven't cooperated before, we should no longer attempt to work with them. This kind of thinking is what got us to where we are now, where no one works with anyone. I expected that from Candle the Communist (since we are name calling now), not really from you though.
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This is the United States of America!
You don't need to be a congressman to get away with murder!
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Fenrir.Candlejack said: » So, if I were a congressman, I can get away with murder? Is that what you're saying? I mean, I'm not saying you can get away with murder, but I'm saying you can get away with some pretty "inconvenient accidents". I mean, there's even precident for politicians killing each other.  Lye said: » You don't need to be a congressman to get away with murder! You just need to be a politician or have enough money to buy one. Fenrir.Candlejack said: » Nope, the 47 more than likely will. There's already enough support to arrest all of them and prosecute them in a federal court for sending that letter. Let's keep the partisan revenge fantasies in check. That's not happening.
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Asura.Alexandero said: » No one is going to jail. And Blood, what you said is just disappointing. So, we should make decisions based on what people might do, not based on what the right thing to do is? Whether they have cooperated in the past, and whether they cooperate in the future doesn't mean that we should just throw all cooperation to the wind and say, "Every man for himself". You essentially stated, since they haven't cooperated before, we should no longer attempt to work with them. This kind of thinking is what got us to where we are now, where no one works with anyone. I expected that from Candle the Communist (since we are name calling now), not really from you though. Also, that isn't the essence of my argument - the essence is to bring notice to the hypocrisy that the right wingers are claiming the very thing on the Dems that they themselves are guilty of. Again, I did clarify and even agree that both sides should be working in tandem with each other on a great many things in a previous post, so while you are accusing another of putting words into your mouth, it would benefit you to not do the same in a following post as well.
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Fenrir.Candlejack said: » Ramyrez said: » Fenrir.Candlejack said: » Hey, they're the ones that broke federal laws. I know if I broke a federal law, I'd be in cuffs quicker than you could say "jackrabbit". There are all kinds of things you would be arrested for that senators get away with. Ted Kennedy killed a woman, ffs. *** Cheney [i]shot his friend in the *** face.[/i] Sure, Dicky. An accident that still occurred when both had taken proper safety precautions. So, if I were a congressman, I can get away with murder? Is that what you're saying? There's a long list of people I'd love to kill without repercussions in a court of law. Lol, you literally, agreed with his premise (it wasn't an accident and he got away with it), and then disputed the same premise that you first agreed with ("So i I were a congressman, I can get away with murder? Is that what you're saying"?). Do you troll yourself when you're alone? Seriously, Im curious. Asura.Alexandero said: » Fenrir.Candlejack said: » Ramyrez said: » Fenrir.Candlejack said: » Hey, they're the ones that broke federal laws. I know if I broke a federal law, I'd be in cuffs quicker than you could say "jackrabbit". There are all kinds of things you would be arrested for that senators get away with. Ted Kennedy killed a woman, ffs. *** Cheney [i]shot his friend in the *** face.[/i] Sure, Dicky. An accident that still occurred when both had taken proper safety precautions. So, if I were a congressman, I can get away with murder? Is that what you're saying? There's a long list of people I'd love to kill without repercussions in a court of law. Lol, you literally, agreed with his premise (it wasn't an accident and he got away with it), and then disputed the same premise that you first agreed with ("So i I were a congressman, I can get away with murder? Is that what you're saying"?). Do you troll yourself when you're alone? Seriously, Im curious. Then we realize, it's the internet, and everyone trolls themselves when they are alone. Also, semi-seriously, can I call you Billy Jim-bob McDuff?
Bloodrose said: » Asura.Alexandero said: » I don't think that there is any reasonable person here that would argue against the importance of the coordination and cooperation of both branches in order to successfully pull this Iran thing off. Except you, of course. Sorry, if I put words in your mouth. I really don't see any other way to interpret this though. I say we need the president and congress to cooperate if we are going to have a successull deal. You counter with Im under a delusional assumption that congress has ever cooperated. At this point you have put words in my mouth, I never assumed anything, I said we need them to cooperate now. I didn't say I think that they used to, that they do, or that they will. I said what I think they need to do. I argue for their cooperation in the deal. You counter with Im delusional that they will. So either you put words in my mouth, by saying I am assuming anything about the past, or you are arguing against the need for cooperation, or I have no idea what your point was. So, again, If I put words in your mouth, I apologize. But the only way I did that is if you first put them in mine. Fenrir.Candlejack said: » Arrest and prosecute every last one of the 47 GOP Senators who signed that letter. They have failed to interpret our Constitution or the separation of powers. It is the President who has the authority to negotiate with foreign powers which is solely within HIS power to do so. It is his responsibility alone, and not the responsibility of Congress. Congress has to approve treaties, which this isn't. Congress also has spending power, and they can refuse to fund an agreement that the President makes, and that's where it ends. The GOP Congress' agenda is to destroy Obama and deconstruct the U.S. Constitution. They do not give a thought to what's best for this nation. Send them a message that their days of holding this nation as hostage is over! The 47 GOP senators and Speaker Boehner, are a threat to our national security, and like any other domestic terrorist who undermines our govt, they should be treated as being armed and dangerous, and brought to justice! You do have power to STOP them! Google for online petition: petitions+whitehouse+gov/petition/file-charges-against-47-us-senators-violation-logan-act-attempting-undermine-nuclear-agreement/NKQnpJS9 Signature goal has been met at 100,000 but keep them coming so the W.H. will act accordingly. There were over 50,000 signatures within 18 hours or so alone. Copy and past this post and send to friends, family, coworkers, etc. to Twitter and Facebook...Spread the word folks!
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Bloodrose said: » Also, semi-seriously, can I call you Billy Jim-bob McDuff? Asura.Alexandero said: » Bloodrose said: » Asura.Alexandero said: » I don't think that there is any reasonable person here that would argue against the importance of the coordination and cooperation of both branches in order to successfully pull this Iran thing off. Except you, of course. Sorry, if I put words in your mouth. I really don't see any other way to interpret this though. I say we need the president and congress to cooperate if we are going to have a successull deal. You counter with Im under a delusional assumption that congress has ever cooperation. At this point you put words in my mouth, I never said anything about any assumptions, I said we need them to cooperate now. I didn't say I think that they used to, that they do, or that they will. I said what I think they need to do. I argue for their cooperation in the deal. You counter with Im delusional that they will. So either you put words in my mouth, by saying I am assuming anything about the past, or you are arguing against the need for cooperation, or I have no idea what your point was. So, again, If I put words in your mouth, I apologize. But the only way I did that is if you first put them in mine. Nothing of the sort about Congress *never* working with the President in the future is implied. However, my point about the delusion was they you came across as arguing that the GOP has ever had any intention of working with the president on anything. When it's been made quite clear, and quite public, as long as he is president, they will do nothing of the sort. Nor at any moment did I put words in your mouth, or twist them to mean something else - I took them at what was said, and countered with valid points in doing so. Again, I also agreed, and stated multiple times now, that they should work together. However, in this instance the GOP is claiming that the president, who doesn't specifically need to, or have any reasonable means of coming to an agreement with a group of unreasonable congressmen and women, shouldn't be expected to kotow any longer, or try to compromise on everything, despite attempting to do so for the past 6 years. Ok, well I think we are in agreement and both may have read too much into what was said. I've also said numerous times now that I think both parties are/have been acting like children in this not working with each other thing. For a long time.
I don't think this Iran thing will work out well, because I don't think they are going to work together on it. I do think that, if any lasting deal with Iran can be made, that they are going to have to work together. Again, I don't see this happening in reality. But I think it is what will have to happen if we are going to get anywhere in this. Asura.Alexandero said: » Fenrir.Candlejack said: » Arrest and prosecute every last one of the 47 GOP Senators who signed that letter. They have failed to interpret our Constitution or the separation of powers. It is the President who has the authority to negotiate with foreign powers which is solely within HIS power to do so. It is his responsibility alone, and not the responsibility of Congress. Congress has to approve treaties, which this isn't. Congress also has spending power, and they can refuse to fund an agreement that the President makes, and that's where it ends. The GOP Congress' agenda is to destroy Obama and deconstruct the U.S. Constitution. They do not give a thought to what's best for this nation. Send them a message that their days of holding this nation as hostage is over! The 47 GOP senators and Speaker Boehner, are a threat to our national security, and like any other domestic terrorist who undermines our govt, they should be treated as being armed and dangerous, and brought to justice! You do have power to STOP them! Google for online petition: petitions+whitehouse+gov/petition/file-charges-against-47-us-senators-violation-logan-act-attempting-undermine-nuclear-agreement/NKQnpJS9 Signature goal has been met at 100,000 but keep them coming so the W.H. will act accordingly. There were over 50,000 signatures within 18 hours or so alone. Copy and past this post and send to friends, family, coworkers, etc. to Twitter and Facebook...Spread the word folks! Smelling awfully Lordgrim up in here right now. Asura.Alexandero said: » Ok, well I think we are in agreement and both may have read too much into what was said. I've also said numerous times now that I think both parties are/have been acting like children in this not working with each other thing. For a long time. I don't think this Iran thing will work out well, because I don't think they are going to work together on it. I do think that, if any lasting deal with Iran can be made, that they are going to have to work together. Again, I don't see this happening in reality. But I think it is what will have to happen if we are going to get anywhere in this.
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