Treason And Congress Letter To Iran - No One Undermines The US Like The Republicans

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Treason and Congress letter to Iran - No one undermines the US like the Republicans
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By maldini 2015-03-10 12:56:44
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Ridiculous - Republicans send Iran a letter that undermines and contradicts their own president. Perhaps the severest blow to American international standing since ever?

EDIT: Below is the NYT's article on the subject. I chose the NYT despite the fact that I think they went soft on the issue to try and be objective.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/10/world/asia/white-house-faults-gop-senators-letter-to-irans-leaders.html?_r=0


The Republicans first undermine their democratically elected president AND Nation by inviting a foreign leader to address them in a televised event, effectively turning the American people's house of representatives into a political brothel.

They then openly contradict the commander in chief of the nation and more or less say the US presidency is a lame duck office not worthy of taking seriously.

At best, the American political system is the greatest threat to American foreign policy.
At worst, America is so deeply entrenched in racism - made apparent by how the election of a black american has polarized the country's population - that its foreign policy be damned.


Republicans might as well have just said "Burn this house down".

I can't wait to see how the GOP goons on this forum try to deflect from the issue and/or demonstrate just how HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE their demographic is.
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By Siren.Sieha 2015-03-10 13:10:49
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You didnt quote the article or summarize it. This is why we cant have nice things.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-10 13:11:54
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Like I asked Ramy when he accused Republicans of treason:

Do you think Obama is also guilty of treason?
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By Leviathan.Protey 2015-03-10 13:13:42
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yes, because increasing Iran's nuclear power is good foreign policy /rollseyes.
 
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2015-03-10 13:16:38
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Here comes the deflection.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-10 13:18:21
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Not my point.

Every single person who accused the Republicans in Congress of treason because their letter "undermined the President's Power in foreign negotiations" and "overstep of powers" seem to forget all of Obama's overreaches in his executive orders, especially the one over immigration that was later struck down by a Federal Judge.

To say that one party is treasonous while the other isn't is either lying to oneself for partisan politics, or doesn't understand the American political system.

In maldini's case, I'm guessing the later, since he noted:

maldini said: »
At best, the American political system is the greatest threat to American foreign policy.
At worst, America is so deeply entrenched in racism - made apparent by how the election of a black american has polarized the country's population - that its foreign policy be damned.
Of which he is completely wrong.
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By maldini 2015-03-10 13:18:54
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Leviathan.Protey said: »
yes, because increasing Iran's nuclear power is good foreign policy /rollseyes.

First detached-from-reality and ill-informed GOPER pops.
/ws Tachi-STFU

First - what nuclear power? You said "Increase".. they don't have Nuclear power. That's what all the negotiations YOUR Executive branch is leading is about.

Second - Official CIA and Mossad reports as well as the international nuclear agency concluded that Iran is NOT after nuclear military capability.

How stupid does one have to be to be a republican. Seriously it seems like the right are so detached from reality that they are free of thought. What a nice and pleasant existence that must be - to just spurt out whatever emotion it is you're feeling at the time and never hold yourself accountable or reflect critically on what it is you actually think. Are they even self-aware? I'm having serious doubts at this point.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-10 13:19:08
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But if you are going to accuse anyone of treason, name the law that person broke.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-03-10 13:21:52
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
To say that one party is treasonous while the other isn't is either lying to oneself for partisan politics, or doesn't understand the American political system
I don't think this is the point though.
If someone does something wrong, to say "but the other did it too" is not a good excuse and it does not exempt from faults.

Now I have no idea what Obama did or didn't, nor do I care, so carry on.
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By maldini 2015-03-10 13:27:38
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Every republican that tries to squirm his way out of this is either an idiot, ignorant or a traitor.
They're informed now so they can't be ignorant.

That just leaves idiocy and treachery. Lets see where the pieces fall as the posts come in.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-10 13:29:01
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
To say that one party is treasonous while the other isn't is either lying to oneself for partisan politics, or doesn't understand the American political system
I don't think this is the point though.
If someone does something wrong, to say "but the other did it too" is not a good excuse and it does not exempt from faults.

Now I have no idea what Obama did or didn't, nor do I care, so carry on.
I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of the thread and argument at hand.

Either they are both traitors of the state, or they aren't. But in reality, anyone who states that either one of them are traitors do not understand politics and federal law.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-10 13:29:22
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maldini said: »
Every republican that tries to squirm his way out of this is either an idiot, ignorant or a traitor.
They're informed now so they can't be ignorant.

That just leaves idiocy and treachery. Lets see where the pieces fall as the posts come in.

Asura.Kingnobody said: »
But if you are going to accuse anyone of treason, name the law that person broke.
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By fonewear 2015-03-10 13:35:10
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Treason what is this 1885 !
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-03-10 13:36:53
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Not treason.
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By fonewear 2015-03-10 13:37:46
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Not from Huff Post I can't trust the NY Times !
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By maldini 2015-03-10 13:43:58
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Obama
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"I think it is somewhat ironic to see some members of Congress wanting to make common cause with the hard-liners in Iran. It is an unusual coalition. I think what we’re going to focus on is actually seeing whether we can get a deal or not. And once we do, then we’ll — if we do, then we’ll make the case to the American people, and I’m confident we’ll be able to implement it.”

That is pretty much a confirmation that the Logan Act is on the table and its a warning to GOP.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-10 13:46:04
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I think it's pretty obvious that, no matter what is said in this thread, maldini will go the "flower-head" approach and ignore every single dissenting post made here.
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By fonewear 2015-03-10 13:47:16
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According to the *** Act of 1787: Yes !
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-03-10 13:49:17
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Not treason, but speaking of treason:

Remember when Ted Kennedy asked the Soviets to meddle in the 1984 election?
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By maldini 2015-03-10 13:57:41
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »

Quoting a Soviet era source to demonstrate the dems are just as bad as the republicans.. shouldn't have expected much else.

A file right out of a KGB report.. wow.. must be believed and taken as anything else other than disinformation and counter espionage.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-03-10 14:01:50
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I see the tinfoil hat must be glued on your head pretty strongly.
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By maldini 2015-03-10 14:04:43
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
I see the tinfoil hat must be glued on your head pretty strongly.

There's no theory or conspiracy here other than what you posted.
You quoted Soviet era KGB documents as proof that a senator from your country was conspiring with the enemy.

If you think me poking fun at the irony of that warrants a tinfoil hat attempt to deflect, well..then that is ironic
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-03-10 14:11:50
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maldini said: »
Every republican that tries to squirm his way out of this is either an idiot, ignorant or a traitor.
They're informed now so they can't be ignorant.

That just leaves idiocy and treachery. Lets see where the pieces fall as the posts come in.

I'll take treachery!

That's a good word.

I like how everyone is/acts surprised when we do something stupid and/or evil...
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-03-10 14:13:25
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maldini said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
I see the tinfoil hat must be glued on your head pretty strongly.

There's no theory or conspiracy here other than what you posted.
You quoted Soviet era KGB documents as proof that a senator from your country was conspiring with the enemy.

If you think me poking fun at the irony of that warrants a tinfoil hat attempt to deflect, well..then that is ironic

You immediately dismissed it, assuredly because you're good little a partisan soldier. I mean you'd have to be to buy the media line that the republican's have committed treason by insisting that they offer their own opinions to Iran regarding the US-Iran relationship.
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By Artemicion 2015-03-10 14:14:32
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Definitely not treason, but definitely a violation of The Logan Act. Hopefully there'll be some accountability, but considering how many participated and their bureaucratic positions, nothing will likely happen.
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By Siren.Sieha 2015-03-10 14:18:18
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fonewear said: »
According to the *** Act of 1787: Yes !

only 10 years after the Illuminati was formed. Thats irony.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2015-03-10 14:18:30
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HuffPo: Cotton on the record in wanting talks to fail

Its definitely a pathetic attempt of sabotage, and its going to have the 46 other idiots that signed on squirming for a long time. Credit the 7 Republicans that wanted nothing to do with it for standing up for themselves. Cotton should definitely be censored, and the pressure is going to be unbearable for McConnell, who already folded on DHS funding. Should be great entertainment watching it play out, oh and the Iran negotiations will continue as Congress continues to sit on the sidelines, just like every Congress before it.

Whats even more revealing is the GOP is just imploding. So much for showing America they are capable of governing effectively. Its clear that the person with the most votes in the House is Nancy Pelosi, as the radical right is just done with Boehner (right after re-electing him to a 3rd term). McConnell is waking up to the cold reality (that I accurately pointed out in November) that he can't do anything without Harry Reid's permission. He tried to fast track the Iran bill before it even went to committee, didn't happen. Now its going to be incredibly hard to rally Democrat support after Cotton's snafu.

Oh btw, debt ceiling expires in 5 days. Whats the plan Congress? Blame Obama?
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-03-10 14:18:47
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Artemicion said: »
The Logan Act
As if congress isn't authorized to send this letter to the government of Iran?
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