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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-12 15:24:24
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Wait, are you saying that Obama's most recent State of the Union address wasn't insolent towards the Republicans in Congress and the nation at whole, since his party just lost a major national election and lost control of Congress?

Or his most recent actions in his executive orders involving immigration and defense?

Or during the time of the Tea Party led government shutdown, did he not show insolence towards the American people by ordering the federal parks to be locked up, even though there were no guards or personnel associated with those parks?

Every single time Obama doesn't get his way, he throws a tantrum and shows his insolence towards those who "took his toys away," so to speak.

I like a lot of what you say sometimes, but why do Tea Party haters need to be such haters? Is it our fault that during the back and forth when Boehner made concessions every time, Reid insisted on all or nothing? I don't get how Reids refusal to move an inch places the blame on the Tea Party.
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By Zackan 2015-03-12 15:25:39
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Wait, are you saying that Obama's most recent State of the Union address wasn't insolent towards the Republicans in Congress and the nation at whole, since his party just lost a major national election and lost control of Congress?

Or his most recent actions in his executive orders involving immigration and defense?

Or during the time of the Tea Party led government shutdown, did he not show insolence towards the American people by ordering the federal parks to be locked up, even though there were no guards or personnel associated with those parks?

Every single time Obama doesn't get his way, he throws a tantrum and shows his insolence towards those who "took his toys away," so to speak.

Arrogance is confidence without justification, he's got plenty to gloat about. And what are you talking about "ordering federal parks to be locked up"?

I hope to hell you're not talking about the government shutdowns, the president has no fault in congress's inability to pass a funding bill, period.

Do not call it what it is not... We have not passed a funding bill since before the turn of the century...... Probably an exaggeration but it certainly feels that way.
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By Zackan 2015-03-12 15:26:33
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Wait, are you saying that Obama's most recent State of the Union address wasn't insolent towards the Republicans in Congress and the nation at whole, since his party just lost a major national election and lost control of Congress?

Or his most recent actions in his executive orders involving immigration and defense?

Or during the time of the Tea Party led government shutdown, did he not show insolence towards the American people by ordering the federal parks to be locked up, even though there were no guards or personnel associated with those parks?

Every single time Obama doesn't get his way, he throws a tantrum and shows his insolence towards those who "took his toys away," so to speak.

I like a lot of what you say sometimes, but why do Tea Party haters need to be such haters? Is it our fault that during the back and forth when Boehner made concessions every time, Reid insisted on all or nothing? I don't get how Reids refusal to move an inch places the blame on the Tea Party.
What are you implying with that picture?
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-12 15:31:01
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The 'hate' comes from that man's presidency.

(Even though he had nothing to do with the Tea Party directly.)

Illogical yes, but emotions usually work that way.
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By Zackan 2015-03-12 15:35:42
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Zackan said: »
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Wait, are you saying that Obama's most recent State of the Union address wasn't insolent towards the Republicans in Congress and the nation at whole, since his party just lost a major national election and lost control of Congress?

Or his most recent actions in his executive orders involving immigration and defense?

Or during the time of the Tea Party led government shutdown, did he not show insolence towards the American people by ordering the federal parks to be locked up, even though there were no guards or personnel associated with those parks?

Every single time Obama doesn't get his way, he throws a tantrum and shows his insolence towards those who "took his toys away," so to speak.

Arrogance is confidence without justification, he's got plenty to gloat about. And what are you talking about "ordering federal parks to be locked up"?

I hope to hell you're not talking about the government shutdowns, the president has no fault in congress's inability to pass a funding bill, period.

Do not call it what it is not... We have not passed a funding bill since before the turn of the century...... Probably an exaggeration but it certainly feels that way.

See this shows the bigger problem. We do not pass budgets because otherwise Congress wouldn't get enough days off. Instead we pass these things called Continuing Resolutions which bundle many budgets together. So for example you get problems where if you do not fund the health care bill then you do not fund 'vital services' either. This is why saying it was a 'xxx led shutdown' is idiotic.. the problem is not anyone 'leading' a 'shutdown' the problem is passing Continuing Resolutions in the first place.
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By Zackan 2015-03-12 15:38:23
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The 'hate' comes from that man's presidency.

(Even though he had nothing to do with the Tea Party directly.)

Illogical yes, but emotions usually work that way.


Most of the hate that we in the Tea Party have is directed at this president actually.



just food for thought^^

Because the socialist progressive movement truly began with him.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-12 15:42:38
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And what are you talking about "ordering federal parks to be locked up"?
Just a little political play that Obama did during the shutdown in 2013

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I like a lot of what you say sometimes, but why do Tea Party haters need to be such haters? Is it our fault that during the back and forth when Boehner made concessions every time, Reid insisted on all or nothing? I don't get how Reids refusal to move an inch places the blame on the Tea Party.
Didn't say that. Just said that the shutdown was lead by the Tea Party, didn't say it was entirely their fault.
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By Zackan 2015-03-12 15:46:06
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And what are you talking about "ordering federal parks to be locked up"?
Just a little political play that Obama did during the shutdown in 2013

Zackan said: »
I like a lot of what you say sometimes, but why do Tea Party haters need to be such haters? Is it our fault that during the back and forth when Boehner made concessions every time, Reid insisted on all or nothing? I don't get how Reids refusal to move an inch places the blame on the Tea Party.
Didn't say that. Just said that the shutdown was led by the Tea Party, didn't say it was entirely their fault.


How so? Because Ted Cruz did a Filibuster? Because of that it was led by the Tea Party? Boehner is the Speaker of the House, being speaker he is basically all Powerful. I will accept Republican led, I will even accept Tea Party encouraged, But Boehner is not a tea party favorite, he does not need to listen to a word we say.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-03-12 15:46:22
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Zackan said: »
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Wait, are you saying that Obama's most recent State of the Union address wasn't insolent towards the Republicans in Congress and the nation at whole, since his party just lost a major national election and lost control of Congress?

Or his most recent actions in his executive orders involving immigration and defense?

Or during the time of the Tea Party led government shutdown, did he not show insolence towards the American people by ordering the federal parks to be locked up, even though there were no guards or personnel associated with those parks?

Every single time Obama doesn't get his way, he throws a tantrum and shows his insolence towards those who "took his toys away," so to speak.

Arrogance is confidence without justification, he's got plenty to gloat about. And what are you talking about "ordering federal parks to be locked up"?

I hope to hell you're not talking about the government shutdowns, the president has no fault in congress's inability to pass a funding bill, period.

Do not call it what it is not... We have not passed a funding bill since before the turn of the century...... Probably an exaggeration but it certainly feels that way.

I like how you use the phrase "turn of the century" and "funding bill" hyperbolically and accuse me of exaggeration. The turn of the century was 15 years ago, but everyone will think 1900, not 2000. And, we haven't passed a complete budget, but there have been 15 years of funding bills passed.

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Just a little political play that Obama did during the shutdown in 2013

Some far right interest group says he didn't have to do it, and you believe it. I don't care if he had to shut down those particular parks or not, there is real harm in shutting down the government over petty partisan squabbles, people tend to care about that harm when it's in their face and not when it's hundreds of miles away.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-12 15:47:21
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Zackan said: »
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The 'hate' comes from that man's presidency.

(Even though he had nothing to do with the Tea Party directly.)

Illogical yes, but emotions usually work that way.


Most of the hate that we in the Tea Party have is directed at this president actually.



just food for thought^^

Because the socialist progressive movement truly began with him.
I thought you meant the hate towards the Tea Party.
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By Lye 2015-03-12 15:48:14
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Odin.Jassik said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Wait, are you saying that Obama's most recent State of the Union address wasn't insolent towards the Republicans in Congress and the nation at whole, since his party just lost a major national election and lost control of Congress?

Or his most recent actions in his executive orders involving immigration and defense?

Or during the time of the Tea Party led government shutdown, did he not show insolence towards the American people by ordering the federal parks to be locked up, even though there were no guards or personnel associated with those parks?

Every single time Obama doesn't get his way, he throws a tantrum and shows his insolence towards those who "took his toys away," so to speak.

Arrogance is confidence without justification, he's got plenty to gloat about. And what are you talking about "ordering federal parks to be locked up"?

I hope to hell you're not talking about the government shutdowns, the president has no fault in congress's inability to pass a funding bill, period.

I think he's got the word "insolence" confused with "things I don't like" and "things that are collectively believed to be negative"
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By Zackan 2015-03-12 15:51:54
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Odin.Jassik said: »
Zackan said: »
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Wait, are you saying that Obama's most recent State of the Union address wasn't insolent towards the Republicans in Congress and the nation at whole, since his party just lost a major national election and lost control of Congress?

Or his most recent actions in his executive orders involving immigration and defense?

Or during the time of the Tea Party led government shutdown, did he not show insolence towards the American people by ordering the federal parks to be locked up, even though there were no guards or personnel associated with those parks?

Every single time Obama doesn't get his way, he throws a tantrum and shows his insolence towards those who "took his toys away," so to speak.

Arrogance is confidence without justification, he's got plenty to gloat about. And what are you talking about "ordering federal parks to be locked up"?

I hope to hell you're not talking about the government shutdowns, the president has no fault in congress's inability to pass a funding bill, period.

Do not call it what it is not... We have not passed a funding bill since before the turn of the century...... Probably an exaggeration but it certainly feels that way.

I like how you use the phrase "turn of the century" and "funding bill" hyperbolically and accuse me of exaggeration. The turn of the century was 15 years ago, but everyone will think 1900, not 2000. And, we haven't passed a complete budget, but there have been 15 years of funding bills passed.

i am referring to the year 2000, i am not trying to be sly.

What I know is if individual funding bills are passed, good. But Continuing resolutions draw more attention. Congress purposely puts things lumped together in these C.R. that they shouldnt. In my above example, why the hell should funding for the ACA be in anyway tied together to funding stuff like parks and recreation?
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By Lye 2015-03-12 15:52:30
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Part of its not his fault. A common misconception of the word "insolence" is that it's used primarily in cases in which disrespect is expressed toward authority.

Given the Presidents place in what we perceive as "authority," falling victim to this misconception begs the question: to what authority would the president of the United States be disrespectful toward.

In that case, you should be looking at foreign policy not domestic issues.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-12 15:54:25
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Odin.Jassik said: »
Some far right interest group says he didn't have to do it, and you believe it.
Obviously you didn't even bother checking the link. The link comes from the House of Representatives, not some 3rd party media source.

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I don't care if he had to shut down those particular parks or not, there is real harm in shutting down the government over petty partisan squabbles, people tend to care about that harm when it's in their face and not when it's hundreds of miles away.
But it's perfectly ok to shut down federal parks that have no staff associated with them. Just because he didn't get his way.

Out of my 3 examples of insolence, this was the one you nitpicked on, and the one that I basically proved. You aren't attacking the insolence either, which is strange. But we all know how you just attack me without thinking.
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By Zackan 2015-03-12 15:55:15
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The 'hate' comes from that man's presidency.

(Even though he had nothing to do with the Tea Party directly.)

Illogical yes, but emotions usually work that way.


Most of the hate that we in the Tea Party have is directed at this president actually.



just food for thought^^

Because the socialist progressive movement truly began with him.
I thought you meant the hate towards the Tea Party.

sorry couldn't figure out how to word it correctly. I mean't that we in the Tea Party direct our 'hate' towards that guy.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-12 15:55:52
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And what are you talking about "ordering federal parks to be locked up"?
Just a little political play that Obama did during the shutdown in 2013

Zackan said: »
I like a lot of what you say sometimes, but why do Tea Party haters need to be such haters? Is it our fault that during the back and forth when Boehner made concessions every time, Reid insisted on all or nothing? I don't get how Reids refusal to move an inch places the blame on the Tea Party.
Didn't say that. Just said that the shutdown was led by the Tea Party, didn't say it was entirely their fault.


How so? Because Ted Cruz did a Filibuster? Because of that it was led by the Tea Party? Boehner is the Speaker of the House, being speaker he is basically all Powerful. I will accept Republican led, I will even accept Tea Party encouraged, But Boehner is not a tea party favorite, he does not need to listen to a word we say.
Whatever Ted Cruz did or does, it doesn't affect Boehner. They are in two different parts of Congress.
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By Zackan 2015-03-12 15:56:48
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Part of its not his fault. A common misconception of the word "insolence" is that it's used primarily in cases in which disrespect is expressed toward authority.

Given the Presidents place in what we perceive as "authority," falling victim to this misconception begs the question: to what authority would the president of the United States be disrespectful toward.

In that case, you should be looking at foreign policy not domestic issues.

the constitution and the people
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By Zackan 2015-03-12 15:57:52
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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And what are you talking about "ordering federal parks to be locked up"?
Just a little political play that Obama did during the shutdown in 2013

Zackan said: »
I like a lot of what you say sometimes, but why do Tea Party haters need to be such haters? Is it our fault that during the back and forth when Boehner made concessions every time, Reid insisted on all or nothing? I don't get how Reids refusal to move an inch places the blame on the Tea Party.
Didn't say that. Just said that the shutdown was led by the Tea Party, didn't say it was entirely their fault.




How so? Because Ted Cruz did a Filibuster? Because of that it was led by the Tea Party? Boehner is the Speaker of the House, being speaker he is basically all Powerful. I will accept Republican led, I will even accept Tea Party encouraged, But Boehner is not a tea party favorite, he does not need to listen to a word we say.
Whatever Ted Cruz did or does, it doesn't affect Boehner. They are in two different parts of Congress.


this reinforces what I am saying, sense Ted Cruz has no effect on Boehner... how exactly was the shutdown Tea Party led, since Ted Cruz is the only one you can really point to to make this claim.
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By Lye 2015-03-12 16:01:48
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Part of its not his fault. A common misconception of the word "insolence" is that it's used primarily in cases in which disrespect is expressed toward authority.

Given the Presidents place in what we perceive as "authority," falling victim to this misconception begs the question: to what authority would the president of the United States be disrespectful toward.

In that case, you should be looking at foreign policy not domestic issues.

the constitution and the people

I don't feel disrespected. Furthermore, does anthropromorhpising what a document feels provide you with some sense of security in your feelings?
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By Lye 2015-03-12 16:03:17
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If so, if it's any consolation, my stapler shares the same feelings. Perhaps you two can discuss your feelings over coffee.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-12 16:04:42
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sorry couldn't figure out how to word it correctly. I mean't that we in the Tea Party direct our 'hate' towards that guy.
Ah ok.
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By Zackan 2015-03-12 16:06:01
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Zackan said: »
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Part of its not his fault. A common misconception of the word "insolence" is that it's used primarily in cases in which disrespect is expressed toward authority.

Given the Presidents place in what we perceive as "authority," falling victim to this misconception begs the question: to what authority would the president of the United States be disrespectful toward.

In that case, you should be looking at foreign policy not domestic issues.

the constitution and the people

I don't feel disrespected. Furthermore, does anthropromorhpising what a document feels provide you with some sense of security in your feelings?

Found a good reason to use that word, eh? Congratulations. Regardless that sentence doesn't make sense. "Does giving human attributes to the constitution what a document feels provide....

I don't comprehend, sorry
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-12 16:11:07
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You can't disrespect a piece of paper, was the intended response I think.
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By Lye 2015-03-12 16:11:16
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Tell me what the constitution feels Zackan.

I don't look for reasons to use certain words. Nice try.
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Sorry. I've taken this hilarity to the gym and am on my phone. In all your wisdom, I'm certain you can overlook my poor use of English.
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By Zackan 2015-03-12 16:18:58
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You can't disrespect a piece of paper, was the intended response I think.


If the constitution is to be treated like a mere piece of paper, then our country should have fallen a long time ago. It is a 'living' document. Best way for me to explain this is to change the subject slightly.

It is like how philosopher's insist there must be a god, God, or some kind of ultimate entity because if not then morality is thrown out the window. If there is no god, there is no good and evil, and your actions have no meaning.

So yes, I do treat the constitution like a living breathing thing. The United States of America IS THE CONSTITUTION. They are one and the same, in seperable.
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By Zackan 2015-03-12 16:20:07
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Sorry. I've taken this hilarity to the gym and am on my phone. In all your wisdom, I'm certain you can overlook my poor use of English.

i do not have a problem with bad grammar per se, as long as i can work out what you mean, i honestly couldn't figure it out is why I asked for clarification.
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By Lye 2015-03-12 16:21:04
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Hey! Can you tell me whether or not this dumbbell feels disrespected?
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By Zackan 2015-03-12 16:21:52
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Hey! Can you tell me whether or not this dumbbell feels disrespected?
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