I'm ok with the ultimatum, she shouldn't have to spend her entire life caring for someone that will likely never be self sufficient, or even be able to have an intelligent conversation with her.
Guy's noble for caring for it anyway.
Interesting story, but I don't see anything to discuss really..
Wife:Give Up Newborn/down Syndrone Or Get Divorced
Wife:Give up newborn/down syndrone or get divorced
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Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »
I'm ok with the ultimatum, she shouldn't have to spend her entire life caring for someone that will likely never be self sufficient, or even be able to have an intelligent conversation with her.
Guy's noble for caring for it anyway.
Interesting story, but I don't see anything to discuss really..
Guy's noble for caring for it anyway.
Interesting story, but I don't see anything to discuss really..
Watch it, you'll get called sick with that kinda talk.
Bloodrose said: »
"LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION!"
"Get off our money, you welfare queens!"
"Get off our money, you welfare queens!"
LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION YOU CAN'T ABORT.
NO WE'RE NOT GOING TO HELP YOU CARE FOR THAT CHILD, UNFORTUNATE WOMAN. WHAT DO WE LOOK LIKE? PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN THE TEACHINGS OF CHRIST?
Jetackuu said: »
Pantafernando said: »
How can a doctor appear and say: "there is a real problem with your son"?
Wrong, the problem isnt the kid, the problem are the others, that cant see how life is such an unique thing that must be preserved, as well anyone that see a child and feel anything but love.
Wrong, the problem isnt the kid, the problem are the others, that cant see how life is such an unique thing that must be preserved, as well anyone that see a child and feel anything but love.
Not bashing on people who feel that way, just stop bashing on the people who don't.
It isnt something that a doctor can tell irresponsible to a father like that. Even more as the same father didnt see that as a problem.
Pantafernando said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Pantafernando said: »
How can a doctor appear and say: "there is a real problem with your son"?
Wrong, the problem isnt the kid, the problem are the others, that cant see how life is such an unique thing that must be preserved, as well anyone that see a child and feel anything but love.
Wrong, the problem isnt the kid, the problem are the others, that cant see how life is such an unique thing that must be preserved, as well anyone that see a child and feel anything but love.
Not bashing on people who feel that way, just stop bashing on the people who don't.
It isnt something that a doctor can tell irresponsible to a father like that. Even more as the same father didnt see that as a problem.
See Ramy:
Ramyrez said: »
Okay, let's put the brakes on this line of thought for a second.
Downs Syndrome is a major genetic defect that is going to irrevocably change the life of the child and parent both from the expected projected norm.
It is a major problem. It's not a problem that can't be overcome, but it is a problem.
Downs Syndrome is a major genetic defect that is going to irrevocably change the life of the child and parent both from the expected projected norm.
It is a major problem. It's not a problem that can't be overcome, but it is a problem.
Pantafernando said: »
It isnt something that a doctor can tell irresponsible to a father like that. Even more as the same father didnt see that as a problem.
From a medical standpoint genetic mutations are a problem.
The doctor was being literal and truthful.
No, the father did see it as a problem, but one he would be willing to overcome.
A doctor, a responsible doctor, will tell a new parent about complications, birth defects, and the like, so that the parent can make an informed decision, and be informed on the special needs of raising such a child with a special need.
A doctor, a responsible doctor, will tell a new parent about complications, birth defects, and the like, so that the parent can make an informed decision, and be informed on the special needs of raising such a child with a special need.
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How is down syndrome not a problem? Ffs.
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
How is down syndrome not a problem? Ffs.
What would be irresponsible is if a doctor saw the issue in prenatal and didn't inform the parents.
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
How is down syndrome not a problem? Ffs.
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And you can't really blame the mother, that isn't something easy.
So I don't know what's there to discuss..that the father is a good guy? Okay.
So I don't know what's there to discuss..that the father is a good guy? Okay.
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Jetackuu said: »
Pantafernando said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Pantafernando said: »
How can a doctor appear and say: "there is a real problem with your son"?
Wrong, the problem isnt the kid, the problem are the others, that cant see how life is such an unique thing that must be preserved, as well anyone that see a child and feel anything but love.
Wrong, the problem isnt the kid, the problem are the others, that cant see how life is such an unique thing that must be preserved, as well anyone that see a child and feel anything but love.
Not bashing on people who feel that way, just stop bashing on the people who don't.
It isnt something that a doctor can tell irresponsible to a father like that. Even more as the same father didnt see that as a problem.
See Ramy:
Ramyrez said: »
Okay, let's put the brakes on this line of thought for a second.
Downs Syndrome is a major genetic defect that is going to irrevocably change the life of the child and parent both from the expected projected norm.
It is a major problem. It's not a problem that can't be overcome, but it is a problem.
Downs Syndrome is a major genetic defect that is going to irrevocably change the life of the child and parent both from the expected projected norm.
It is a major problem. It's not a problem that can't be overcome, but it is a problem.
It seems a problem to you. The guy didnt seem to have any problem. His wife thought the kid was a problem, and she created a problem to the guy.
It's possible that the Mother was aware of the complications, but decided to omit the information from the husband.
In any case, this is quite disturbing. A mother abandoning her child, and husband. Quite primal.
In any case, this is quite disturbing. A mother abandoning her child, and husband. Quite primal.
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Can't blame anyone at all.
Yeah, it sucks that the mother got the divorce, but at least she gave custody to the kid. She could have been one real *** and got the kid and gave it up for adoption.
Yeah, it sucks that the mother got the divorce, but at least she gave custody to the kid. She could have been one real *** and got the kid and gave it up for adoption.
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It isn't just a problem to us, it's a very real, very life changing problem. It causes excessive burden mentally, emotionally, financially, and so on, to the parent(s), as well as the child.
Does it mean that people can't accept the problem and find a solution? No, because there are hundreds of thousands of people who still decide to care and raise a special needs child. However, they also have a very large support network among friends, coworkers, and special needs agents and agencies.
The father, in this case, accepted the child, the doctor's information, and looked for a solution, because he *wanted* to love his child, regardless of the condition.
Does it mean that people can't accept the problem and find a solution? No, because there are hundreds of thousands of people who still decide to care and raise a special needs child. However, they also have a very large support network among friends, coworkers, and special needs agents and agencies.
The father, in this case, accepted the child, the doctor's information, and looked for a solution, because he *wanted* to love his child, regardless of the condition.
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Ragnarok.Amador said: »
It's possible that the Mother was aware of the complications, but decided to omit the information from the husband. In any case, this is quite disturbing. A mother abandoning her child, and husband. Quite primal.
I can see both sides of the argument about the mother. What is disturbing to me is that she won't even talk to her husband about it. The man is willing to sacrifice everything to care for that child. The least she could do is give him a chance to talk things over before she runs off again.
Pantafernando said: »
It seems a problem to you. The guy didnt seem to have any problem. His wife thought the kid was a problem, and she created a problem to the guy.
Are you being intentionally dense?
Down's isn't just an issue of being mentally handicapped.
It comes with an absolute HOST of physical manifestations including, but by no means limited to, poor muscle tone, delays in developmental milestones, vision and hearing problems, speech problems, extremely early-onset dementia, and congenital heart defects.
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Verda said: »
If I know my child will be born with significant problems that will cause them to be mostly likely sad, depressive, feel inadequate, have low self esteem and not be successful I would want to prevent such things.
The genetic effect that causes most of the symptoms you just described is called "intelligence." There's a strong correlation between high IQ and wanting to gargle a bullet.
As for raising a Down syndrome kid, how many people here knew that it was legal to starve an infant to death if they had a congenital defect? The law was changed about 30 years ago here in the United States, which is why you don't see very many people with congenital disabilities over the age of 40, especially as compared to how many kids and young adults there are.
In terms of difficulty, though, Down syndrome is a long way from a devastating problem for parents. Hell, I know a lot of parents who'd almost prefer having a kid that never really grows up. But men and women with Down syndrome can and do adapt to living semi-independently and being somewhat self-supporting. Their ability means they'll never be scientists at NASA, but people who've never worked with them grossly under-estimate their capability.
Verda said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
And you can't really blame the mother, that isn't something easy.
So I don't know what's there to discuss..that the father is a good guy? Okay.
So I don't know what's there to discuss..that the father is a good guy? Okay.
I've worked with (not as a special needs worker) with a few down-syndrome adults in my life.
Truthfully, they aren't nearly as bad as people want to believe they are, but they do live with varying degrees of complications.
Truthfully, they aren't nearly as bad as people want to believe they are, but they do live with varying degrees of complications.
Ramyrez said: »
Pantafernando said: »
It seems a problem to you. The guy didnt seem to have any problem. His wife thought the kid was a problem, and she created a problem to the guy.
Are you being intentionally dense?
Down's isn't just an issue of being mentally handicapped.
It comes with an absolute HOST of physical manifestations including, but by no means limited to, poor muscle tone, delays in developmental milestones, vision and hearing problems, speech problems, extremely early-onset dementia, and congenital heart defects.
In my eyes, seeing those pics, the kid seems as healthy as any newborn.
Its you who is throwing that garbage.
If he will have problems due the disease, thats up to future.
Others "normal" kids can also have problems, it isnt the fact of having or no the syndrome that will determine the kid will life a life of sufering, nor the parents. Others "normal" kids will die sooner, others will have fatal or worse disease.
Whats undeniable, at the moment the kid was born, he was safe, healthy, like any newborn kid. It is you who are throwing that amount of ***in the kid.
Pantafernando said: »
Ramyrez said: »
Pantafernando said: »
It seems a problem to you. The guy didnt seem to have any problem. His wife thought the kid was a problem, and she created a problem to the guy.
Are you being intentionally dense?
Down's isn't just an issue of being mentally handicapped.
It comes with an absolute HOST of physical manifestations including, but by no means limited to, poor muscle tone, delays in developmental milestones, vision and hearing problems, speech problems, extremely early-onset dementia, and congenital heart defects.
In my eyes, seeing those pics, the kid seems as healthy as any newborn.
Its you who is throwing that garbage.
If he will have problems due the disease, thats up to future.
Others "normal" kids can also have problems, it isnt the fact of having or no the syndrome that will determine the kid will life a life of sufering, nor the parents. Others "normal" kids will die sooner, others will have fatal or worse disease.
Whats undeniable, at the moment the kid was born, he was safe, healthy, like any newborn kid. It is you who are throwing that amount of ***in the kid.
He's right, you are being intentionally dense.
Much like any genetically-typical person, Down's individuals vary on a case-by-case basis. Some of them rate in the borderline intellectual function range, some are severely mentally HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE (or whatever euphimism you prefer these days).
Those on the higher end of that range can get by and can even live semi-independantly.
But some are also profoundly limited throughout life and wind up in care programs and residential facilities being cared for in perpetuity.
Those on the higher end of that range can get by and can even live semi-independantly.
But some are also profoundly limited throughout life and wind up in care programs and residential facilities being cared for in perpetuity.
Pantafernando said: »
Ramyrez said: »
Pantafernando said: »
It seems a problem to you. The guy didnt seem to have any problem. His wife thought the kid was a problem, and she created a problem to the guy.
Are you being intentionally dense?
Down's isn't just an issue of being mentally handicapped.
It comes with an absolute HOST of physical manifestations including, but by no means limited to, poor muscle tone, delays in developmental milestones, vision and hearing problems, speech problems, extremely early-onset dementia, and congenital heart defects.
In my eyes, seeing those pics, the kid seems as healthy as any newborn.
Its you who is throwing that garbage.
If he will have problems due the disease, thats up to future.
Others "normal" kids can also have problems, it isnt the fact of having or no the syndrome that will determine the kid will life a life of sufering, nor the parents. Others "normal" kids will die sooner, others will have fatal or worse disease.
Whats undeniable, at the moment the kid was born, he was safe, healthy, like any newborn kid. It is you who are throwing that amount of ***in the kid.
Ok, done discussing this particular aspect with you. You want to believe what you want to believe and I'm not going to change that with any amount of medical information or reason. Peace.
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