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That is the foundation of feminism. If you don't agree you are wrong. They don't want to hear dissenting opinions.

You can safely ignore the Tumblr goons and read some academic feminism. You might learn something!

This little graphic explains all you need to know:

interesting timing...

after reading bloodrose's post; i just saw a commercial talking about how women are victims of domestic violence. And how there organization is set up to help WOMEN. And the usually 'please help the women' rhetoric...

And while im all for stopping domestic violence, i couldn't help but notice that they are set up, targeting, and only helping women. Any man that's a victim can go f*** themselves'

The only reason you'd have no problem with first and second wave feminists by that infographic

Wage gaps, reproductive freedom and ability for women to enter male fields is still a unfinished thing.

Wage gap is a myth, the 77 cents to a dollar figure is independant of profession choice or length of tenure. It's simply the arithmetic mean of women working fulltime vs men working fulltime. Some careers pay less than others.

Not saying you're wrong, because it makes sense within our standard corporate, work-comes-before-all-else structure in this country. But I'd like to see the numbers from a country where more rights are provided under the law to both women and men for child birth, not requiring them to put their careers entirely on hold simply for chosing to have families.

Wage gap is a myth, the 77 cents to a dollar figure is independant of profession choice or length of tenure. It's simply the arithmetic mean of women working fulltime vs men working fulltime. Some careers pay less than others.

Hiring managers generally WANT diversity, for every job that's perceived to discriminate against women,

That's actually kind of depressing.

After years of playing down the problem, technology companies like Google, Facebook and Apple now say they’re serious about improving the gender and ethnic diversity of their work forces and corporate boards. Recent data from those companies and others like them confirm what everyone has long known: Most of their employees are white and Asian men. Among technical employees, few are women, and even fewer are Latino or African-American.

Tech companies should care about these numbers. Many studies show that companies with gender and ethnic diversity tend to be more creative and more profitable, because varied perspectives help them design products and services that appeal to a diverse, worldwide audience.

The companies say they’re starting to address the problem by acknowledging it. Google, for instance, is training managers to be more aware of hidden biases, so they don’t, for instance, give undeservedly lower performance evaluations to women. Facebook is working with professional associations and other nonprofit groups to get more girls and minority children interested in science and technology. A big issue facing the industry is the percentage of female computer science students at universities. That number has fallen in the last 20 years, even as the percentage of women in fields like biology and chemistry has risen.

Still, there are approaches that could help:

• Not all tech industry employees are engineers and programmers. The companies employ large numbers of people who manage projects, market services and design products. Many of these jobs do not require a computer science or an engineering degree. But the proportion of women and minorities in these types of jobs is not much better than the proportion in technical positions. Companies should make efforts to hire a more diverse group of workers — including more liberal arts graduates — for nontechnical jobs, according to Vivek Wadhwa, who has written a book about women in the technology industry.

•• Top technology companies hire a lot of graduates from elite universities like Stanford and the University of California, Berkeley. Their recruitment efforts should include a broader array of colleges, especially those that enroll a lot of women in technical fields.

Freeman Hrabowski, the president of the University of Maryland, Baltimore County, for example, says his institution produces many women and minority graduates in science and engineering disciplines. Many find jobs with federal government agencies and East Coast technology companies, because the university has strong relationships with those employers. But it has far fewer contacts with companies in Silicon Valley.

•• Companies should open up the initial interviewing process. Heidi Roizen, a venture capitalist, says she asks executives at companies she invests in whether they have interviewed any women for openings. Many said they had not even thought about doing so until she prompted them, primarily because they tend to hire friends and acquaintances.

Other kinds of businesses have used a similar approach. The National Football League, for example, has the Rooney Rule, which requires teams to interview at least one minority candidate for every head coach or general manager opening.

•• Creating a welcoming culture, which is often easier said than done, would help these companies retain employees who get in the door. A 2011 report by the Census Bureau found that women science and engineering graduates were much less likely to be employed in those fields then men with the same degrees. A 2008 report published by the Harvard Business Review found that women quit high tech jobs at twice the rate of men. Among the most frequently cited reasons women gave for leaving, it said, were extreme pressure and a hostile culture.

There is a lot that the education system and the government need to do to get more women and minorities interested in science and technology. But the technology industry can start tackling its diversity problem right now.

That it is appreciably higher, or that it is still not acheiving parity?

this is what a feminist looks like

Nazi's

I don't put much stock in the 77 cents figure, but the wage gap is not a myth. When comparing females and males in the same fields and positions, women less. The few apples to apples comparisons I've seen put it somewhere between 93 and 97 cents, and in very rare instances, women actually make more than their male counterparts. Most of the gap can be attributed to having children, which sadly affects the mother more than the father. Even being married without children has a negative impact on a woman's wage for some reason I can only assume is less opportunities for advancement due to not being available in the work sense or personal sense.

TL:DR - The wage gap isn't a myth, but the figures are grossly exaggerated.

Thread objective fulfilled.

Well thought out rebuttal...

Distilled a couple hundred words down to one, and felt that makes your "argument?" substantial enough to refute the whole of my message.

No you moron, it was just a joke about the fact that nazis are always brought up in any argument.

if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Hitler or Nazism.

You can choose to approach the topic from the standpoint that anyone who objects to paying someone less for the same job is the caricature feminist you imagine, or you can choose (like I am) to approach it from a strictly factual standpoint. All else being equal, women earn less than men. I'd like to understand how much and why, and either determine that it's a natural byproduct of innate gender differences, or it's not and fix it.

Sure, there are plenty of overbearing feminazi's who preach about the patriarchy, etc. That shouldn't invalidate the very real disadvantage women have as earners, especially in STEM fields. Does it mean that every hiring manager is a chauvinist pig? Not anymore than it means every woman is less motivated or qualified.

Closest I've ever been was discussing abortion while being the only male in the classroom...yea my opinion wasn't heard.

That's a joke, not a rebuttal.
Also I've already stated in more than one occasion my position on the matter of feminism and such, and I do not enjoy to repeat myself over and over. Usual p&r dwellers should already know what I think, if they cared, therefore I have nothing more to add.

No you moron, it was just a joke about the fact that nazis are always brought up in any argument.

Godwin's Law