Sigurd's Descendants: The Art Of Dragon Slaying.

I didn't have numbers to back this up because I'm not really into spreadsheets and Sims. but I'm positive I knew Fencer DRG was absurdly powerful in Segs and a top DD at least two years ago. I am little surprised it's ahead of Kclub.

I remember distinctly watching Bippin's DPS as DRG/WARand was blown away by his damage, and also how I learned about judgement (which is when I started bringing a club on Ninja/war) being accessible. That's why I said what I did to K123 the other day. People just assume you require a Kclub (albeit is incredibly fun), I've personally witnessed DRG/war glory in Segs. But that shouldn't really be surprising anyways, DRG is usually at the top of parse in Bumba.

I'm not sure if NIN is a good example to ironically mock it as bad for Segments. Naegling build on NIN (17500 dps with the same buffs with above DRG sims) is only inferior to DRG and RNG/nin with kclub. Then you have Judgment build, which has DPS on par with DRG's judgment and you also have hybrids, that can annihilate some families.

What would be the most used setup for efficiency seg farming?

Im sure there must be some convergence if we leave aside the sentimental attachment for a specific job.

The best group composition clears with 7 minutes remaining. The 10th best group composition finishes about 30 seconds behind them. Is 30 seconds that meaningful when you're still waiting 20 hours for key item recharge?

Two Drgs, a club, and a thirst for murdering pups.

I have literally never complained about not being able to play my way for my $12.99. I happily only play meta jobs in pug.

My comment, quite clearly in the English language was talking about someone else being able to play the war they wanted. I genuinely struggle to understand how you have confused the context so much.

I do not advocate taking sub optimal jobs at all. I played SAM on my one char sometimes because it was the best DD on it but even though you can full clear with WAR SAM or SAM SAM it's nowhere near as reliable.

I know NIN is good. Better than DRK, maybe better than SAM tbh but they are also rare to find.

No group consistently wins with the same clear time. It depends on mob groups you get, etc. There's really no point dragging out runs 7 mins more even by your numbers though, for something so painfully mundane and repetitive.

BRD SCH COR WAR WAR WAR IMO. JPs basically only go with this set up on asura. They never settle for WHM.

WHM BRD COR WAR WAR BLU is the most efficient, been clearing C for a long time (like before sortie/empy +2 with my old group) with very often 2+ min left, BLU can literally solo eva clear half of floor 1-2. BLU can tank any halo if need be, the regular group just DD aggro as they more forward, no need of pulling just let ***agro and keep moving.we did WHM for the occasional death/arise huge time saver. Tank group can clear as well, many ways to skin the thing as they say in Springfield…

Judgement with what club?

If the mob is resistant to slashing wouldn't you just use a PA?

Judgment comes into play for undead. Skeles and ghosts. (Quatrubs are 2 WS after the first floor and weapon doesn't really matter.)

You can use a Staff with fullswing at high tp to one shot, but it's clearly worse damage to tp than using a polearm or sword against other mobs. So the play experience stands out as staff is 'the bad weapon' because you're having to slow down for particular mobs. Judgment on /war smooths that out.

If you go /dnc and you know you're about to walk into undead, you can haste samba before you finish your current pack and before you switch weapons to Staff. You do the same thing for Polearm if you go /dnc, it's just noticeably worse because anything you use a polearm on is going to die fast and anything you use a staff on might die eventually. If you don't have enough tp to samba before an undead pack then you run into a scenario where you're killing 2~3 of the mobs vs 4+ on other packs.

At a given time, not every time. If you were comparing groups for efficiency, you would remove the variables. Your group against my group against their group; against the same set(s) of mob types, placements, ect.


The ability to play various jobs is what lured me here and what has kept me around. It's not changing the fundamentals of what you're doing in content, but I find it does break the monotony. Especially in content that people run consistently.

So that's my Kraken set and the DT version just swaps the Empy legs for floors 3+ on tougher mobs.
ItemSet 396834
Head is A path, cape is store tp, and feet are 8 store tp and 8 dex and 20 acc.

Would you be willing to run the numbers on that with your same setup so we can keep that controlled?

~18420

Mafic cudgel. It doesn't matter how weak the club is because DRG is so absurdly powerful and skeletons take extra blunt damage inn addition to being vulnerable to it in C, it's far better than polearm, since skeletons resist piercing natively

Do you have a set that does beat it with Nyame A path head only, or it is more pieces of A path that put it over?

Not really rare as much as the meta has convinced too many people of a certain party comp. Yes, WAR is the ideal job for Segs for sure, with strong fencer/Savage Blade, Warcry and Mighty Strikes for c4 Halo, but NIN is still extremely competitive, and also very safe with shadows. It's actually better than any other DD from a defensive standpoint if you're worried about your healer's ability to keep people alive. The problem isn't finding one, it's people aren't asking for (or allowing) one in their primary groups. Hell, I used to run with Geriond on DRK and he would routinely parse top with other Warriors in the group. Most of the DD jobs are quite close in terms of DPS in Segs that it honestly does not matter which of the few you choose

The meta mindset has people believing it's not worth it to be job diverse because it's sub optimal, when in reality, seg farming is the most casual and non elite daily content that has ever existed. It's literally killing trash monsters for 30 minutes for points you'll probably not even spend in 20 hours. Totally overblown obsession that's really weird nowadays.

This is really interesting with the BLU, they're kinda rare too though in my experience.

After adding your boots to sim, the new high for Neagling/Kraken with also path A head is ~19020

It has only different accessories than your set:
vim torque +1 R15
Crepuscular ring
Niqmaddu ring

Almost whole dps difference is in neck. After swapping to DRG+2, dps drops to ~18530

Are you talking evasion tank/cruel joke, or just evasion pulling the floor? I've been in JP groups where the BRD just does the evasion tanking/pulling instead, and you bring a third WAR as K123 suggested. The time it takes to round up a group and cruel joke them is about the same or faster with just an extra WAR, though again I don't think that really makes a difference regardless since dead in 1 minute is very good also

Many ways work, but most successful I’ve been involved was BLU evasion pull 1, sleep grab second group bring it to first resleep then CJ. Floor 3 under 10 min. I mean it was stupidly good and rarely seen people talking about it. Yes I have also fully clear with 3 war, pld tank, brd tank… I still have no doubt that the BLU is the best, but maybe my BLU was just someone exceptionally good at it, I don’t play blu (lvl 1, no spell but hey 2 earring +2…).

3 WAR lets you keep warcry up 3/5 sets of mobs too basically

This wont always work, because many mobs in C are immune to CJ. Very commonly you don't have two CJable groups close to each other. Also pulling one group at a time is also very slow. By the time you would pull other group and come back to resleep it with first, regular party would already kill all 10 mobs from group one and would kill group two under a minute also. Last but not least, you can only CJ every 5min + one extra time with SP and possibly few more extra from random deal and wild card. So do you mean BLU goes solo other floors while 5 other ppl just do regular killing?

I'm curious what this means. You clear C3 in under 10 min, or you get to C3 in under 10 min?

So yeah you reach floor 3 by 18-20 min left, BLU is the freelancer here, main group still does their own non-CJ, BLU come and join as he will during cooldown, early RD for sure. I was the WHM, so not specially aware of everything he did, but he for sure just took off at first haste song, floor 3+ he asked for manbo. But at this point in the game guys, you should just have fun of you have one. To me it was amazing as it such a long time ago we did that and we constantly cleared, 7 days a week. He can clear group on floor 2 while you still floor 1, that work too. But also like I said you can clear with so many ways nowadays, 3 DD, tank, brd pull (definitely an Asura thing that one)….

I mean, BLU can kill one group of mobs solo faster than with CJ. Just kill one by one and petrify links/aggro. Occultation, Cocoon to mitigate most damage, White wind for emergency heal, Verve to not get interrupted.

Yes blu can be brutally efficient, tizona is a monster weapon and can just be killing his own set. Gonna stop talking about it as it’s a DRG thread, was just a comment about what setup works best for sortie, and I love that setup, all I’m saying. All of you seems to know a lot more than me on blu, so go ahead guys and play with it. Another member was a DRG, he did amazing, just lacked the blunt issue but yeah DRG can do quite right in good hands.

I've been running DRG/WAR because I don't have K-club and I like having Berserk for the later floors. Didn't even occur to me that it provides access to Judgement. Good info, thanks.

I added 30% ODT on first hit for Gae Buide V

Updated DPS: ~17810