Not really. I see shining outperform trishula all the time on non-one-shottable things.
Sad that an ambu weapon beats an aeonic of the same type but it is what it is.
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Not really. I see shining outperform trishula all the time on non-one-shottable things.
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Atrox78 said: » According to simulation against target with Apex Toad stats, it's not even close. Trishula: 2.76 sec to WS Trishula DPS: 12874 Trishula WS median: 53781 Shining One: 4.425 second to WS Shining One DPS: 17257 Shining One WS median: 90305 Offline
90k WS median? Really? Sounds like bs
Ragnarok.Creaucent said: » Atrox78 said: » SimonSes said: » Atrox78 said: » Drg > War for single weilding. Faster tp gain by far, even when not subbing war. Gearset is more less solid. Can swap in nyame or Odin head if you need survivability and nyame feet. You'd hardly notice a difference. In closing, make Gae Buide and forever rid yourselves from that stupid sword (unless doing Bumba, or sheol C, or some helms). You can't really use Odin head, it has no haste and this set without head has only 24% haste. Naegling build requires 26%, because you don't have hasso from /sam. I said IF you need survivability which would take priority. If you need survivability there are better options to switch to like Gleti's or Nyame heads if you still need haste on the head slot. Nyame A path is pretty amazing for DT tp set on DRG. Also Kraken Club/AM3 builds. You're not going to use B path for anything besides Raiden Thrust on DRG and most of the DDs are similar between AF/relic/empy WSD head pieces because of the stats vs nyame. Offline
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K123 said: » 90k WS median? Really? Sounds like bs Dodik said: » Sounds like you need better impulse drive sets. K123 is right, I haven't used sim in like 7 months and forgot i put custom moonshade earring there to simulate savagery. I'm really sorry hahaha checking it again.. I also added Angon because attack wasn't capped. Trishula: 2.76 sec to WS Trishula DPS: 12494 Trishula WS median: 43824 Shining One: 4.812 second to WS Shining One DPS: 13802 Shining One WS median: 74605 Stardiver is at 1000TP+, Impulse at 1750TP+ Sim shows that waiting for higher TP with Trishula is DPS loss. Offline
Phoenix.Iocus said: » You're not going to use B path for anything besides Raiden Thrust on DRG Unless you want to use savage blade, or Gae Buide.. Phoenix.Iocus said: » Ragnarok.Creaucent said: » Atrox78 said: » SimonSes said: » Atrox78 said: » Drg > War for single weilding. Faster tp gain by far, even when not subbing war. Gearset is more less solid. Can swap in nyame or Odin head if you need survivability and nyame feet. You'd hardly notice a difference. In closing, make Gae Buide and forever rid yourselves from that stupid sword (unless doing Bumba, or sheol C, or some helms). You can't really use Odin head, it has no haste and this set without head has only 24% haste. Naegling build requires 26%, because you don't have hasso from /sam. I said IF you need survivability which would take priority. If you need survivability there are better options to switch to like Gleti's or Nyame heads if you still need haste on the head slot. Nyame A path is pretty amazing for DT tp set on DRG. Also Kraken Club/AM3 builds. You're not going to use B path for anything besides Raiden Thrust on DRG and most of the DDs are similar between AF/relic/empy WSD head pieces because of the stats vs nyame. As much as i would like to justify path A Nyame as a DRG main.... path B offers so much more for other jobs its hard to turn it down. Nyame path B still gets DA+4-5% at ranks 25-30. Offline
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and just to put above numbers to perspective:
Gae Buide: 3.283 sec to WS (1250TP+) Gae Buide DSP: 16872 Gae Buide WS median: 69541 Naegling/Kraken: 1.401 sec to WS (1300TP+) Naegling/Kraken DPS: 26646 Naegling/Kraken WS median: 76160 Naegling/Fencer: 3.255 sec to WS (1250TP+) Naegling/Fencer: 18828 Naegling/Fencer WS median: 86058 Naegling all the things XD Ragnarok.Creaucent said: » Phoenix.Iocus said: » Ragnarok.Creaucent said: » Atrox78 said: » SimonSes said: » Atrox78 said: » Drg > War for single weilding. Faster tp gain by far, even when not subbing war. Gearset is more less solid. Can swap in nyame or Odin head if you need survivability and nyame feet. You'd hardly notice a difference. In closing, make Gae Buide and forever rid yourselves from that stupid sword (unless doing Bumba, or sheol C, or some helms). You can't really use Odin head, it has no haste and this set without head has only 24% haste. Naegling build requires 26%, because you don't have hasso from /sam. I said IF you need survivability which would take priority. If you need survivability there are better options to switch to like Gleti's or Nyame heads if you still need haste on the head slot. Nyame A path is pretty amazing for DT tp set on DRG. Also Kraken Club/AM3 builds. You're not going to use B path for anything besides Raiden Thrust on DRG and most of the DDs are similar between AF/relic/empy WSD head pieces because of the stats vs nyame. As much as i would like to justify path A Nyame as a DRG main.... path B offers so much more for other jobs its hard to turn it down. Nyame path B still gets DA+4-5% at ranks 25-30. I was messing with the calc. Even R25 Path B Nyame surprisingly looked decent for some multi hit WS. Mainly the pieces that get STR Augments and Atleast 5-6 DA. I wanted Path A's SimonSes said: » and just to put above numbers to perspective: Gae Buide: 3.283 sec to WS (1250TP+) Gae Buide DSP: 16872 Gae Buide WS median: 69541 Naegling/Kraken: 1.401 sec to WS (1300TP+) Naegling/Kraken DPS: 26646 Naegling/Kraken WS median: 76160 Naegling/Fencer: 3.255 sec to WS (1250TP+) Naegling/Fencer: 18828 Naegling/Fencer WS median: 86058 Naegling all the things XD Pretty disgusting lmao I wish I had a KC. If you don't mind is it possible to check DPS with. : Naegling + Ternion+1 Naegling + D Degen +1 Naegling + Mktis (lol I know...) Or if you can throw that calc my way. I am currently using the all jobs calc But it seems a bit wonky sometimes. Also I am trying to "Get gud" with my Stardiver sets. But it kind of feels like Impulse with Trishula are a bit more consistent. It wouldn't be much different than an Anguta DRK spamming Cross Reaper. It breaks my heart just a bit though. Curious what the DPS would look like. Offline
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Fenrir.Skarwind said: » I am currently using the all jobs calc But it seems a bit wonky sometimes. That is what I use too, but I haven't found it wonky at all :D Fenrir.Skarwind said: » Ragnarok.Creaucent said: » Phoenix.Iocus said: » Ragnarok.Creaucent said: » Atrox78 said: » SimonSes said: » Atrox78 said: » Drg > War for single weilding. Faster tp gain by far, even when not subbing war. Gearset is more less solid. Can swap in nyame or Odin head if you need survivability and nyame feet. You'd hardly notice a difference. In closing, make Gae Buide and forever rid yourselves from that stupid sword (unless doing Bumba, or sheol C, or some helms). You can't really use Odin head, it has no haste and this set without head has only 24% haste. Naegling build requires 26%, because you don't have hasso from /sam. I said IF you need survivability which would take priority. If you need survivability there are better options to switch to like Gleti's or Nyame heads if you still need haste on the head slot. Nyame A path is pretty amazing for DT tp set on DRG. Also Kraken Club/AM3 builds. You're not going to use B path for anything besides Raiden Thrust on DRG and most of the DDs are similar between AF/relic/empy WSD head pieces because of the stats vs nyame. As much as i would like to justify path A Nyame as a DRG main.... path B offers so much more for other jobs its hard to turn it down. Nyame path B still gets DA+4-5% at ranks 25-30. I was messing with the calc. Even R25 Path B Nyame surprisingly looked decent for some multi hit WS. Mainly the pieces that get STR Augments and Atleast 5-6 DA. I wanted Path A's SimonSes said: » and just to put above numbers to perspective: Gae Buide: 3.283 sec to WS (1250TP+) Gae Buide DSP: 16872 Gae Buide WS median: 69541 Naegling/Kraken: 1.401 sec to WS (1300TP+) Naegling/Kraken DPS: 26646 Naegling/Kraken WS median: 76160 Naegling/Fencer: 3.255 sec to WS (1250TP+) Naegling/Fencer: 18828 Naegling/Fencer WS median: 86058 Naegling all the things XD Pretty disgusting lmao I wish I had a KC. If you don't mind is it possible to check DPS with. : Naegling + Ternion+1 Naegling + D Degen +1 Naegling + Mktis (lol I know...) Or if you can throw that calc my way. I am currently using the all jobs calc But it seems a bit wonky sometimes. Also I am trying to "Get gud" with my Stardiver sets. But it kind of feels like Impulse with Trishula are a bit more consistent. It wouldn't be much different than an Anguta DRK spamming Cross Reaper. It breaks my heart just a bit though. Curious what the DPS would look like. Yeah I have REMA polearms and it's so *** annoying using Naegling for ***that i absolutely have to. I dont mind doing lower damage just to use my polearms. Offline
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Fenrir.Skarwind said: » Naegling + Ternion+1 Ok I havent expected that... It shows 25600 dps, just 1k behind Kraken >.> Sword on DRG is (still) gross. Just make prime and be done with it.
SimonSes said: » Fenrir.Skarwind said: » I am currently using the all jobs calc But it seems a bit wonky sometimes. That is what I use too, but I haven't found it wonky at all :D It seemed like after a certain point, damage would stop increasing. Mainly with certain relic WS. But if I tested it out in game, numbers would be a bit higher. Maybe it's just an issue with Ranged or Relic WS? *shrug* SimonSes said: » Fenrir.Skarwind said: » Naegling + Ternion+1 Ok I havent expected that... It shows 25600 dps, just 1k behind Kraken >.> Appreciate the update on stuff though. Ternion+1 is an excellent dagger, Gleti's just over shadows it on other jobs. I didn't think it would be that close to KC however. Definitely make the Prime. It's so good.
Ternion being that good doesn't surprise me. Lower delay would be less attractive for jumps, but I still believe those numbers would be close. It would definitely help people I play with who have less gear to be able to do segments more easily since the gil requirement is so much lower and it would be a good acc swap. If piercing resistance wasn't a thing, I'd be all Polearm purist, but I'd rather be playing DRG than any other DD so I'll take what I can get. And what I can get is an absolute murder machine with Savage Blade. On the other hand, when a mob is piercing weak, I am smiling very wide because you done *** up mob and I will happily put you into the ground. DRG has so much going for it right now and very decent flexibility. You might as well enjoy it Offline
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Nah, your sets still need work.
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Veydal1 said: » Thx for that info. I havent been aware about that huge delay fix for Dual Wield! Rechecked Naegling sets and results are kinda shocking! Naegling/Kraken DPS: 18717 Naegling/Ternion+1: 17052 Naegling/Fencer: 18812 So looks like you don't need Kraken Club at all, especially for Segments, because /war for Fencer also offers access to Judgment, which is by far the best option for anything that requires blunt damage. Fencer TP set is also much more straight forward (unless you really have access to Nyame path A) and can be used against high evasion stuff too, since there is no non ilvl weapon involved. Offline
This is just paper math though, doesn't explain kill speed. For the sake of full clearing you're obviously fine with a mix of DRG and WAR with no KC needed. 2 SAM can full clear too, just don't take DRK.
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Only partially Asura fault because no other server has PUGs to speak of, but if you only ever PUG segments you're probably gonna tryhard and have a skewed perspective of what is possible.
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Carbuncle.Maletaru said: » I don't think that means what you think it means. Offline
Kaffy said: » Only partially Asura fault because no other server has PUGs to speak of, but if you only ever PUG segments you're probably gonna tryhard and have a skewed perspective of what is possible. K123 said: » Carbuncle.Maletaru said: » I don't think that means what you think it means. You complain that you can't find people who will let you play the way you want for your $12.99, but then turn around and tell people how to play (they can't play DRK) with their $12.99. You are a victim of the meta while also perpetuating the meta by telling people they shouldn't play in sub-optimal ways. Except doing BRD songs wrong (but that's another level of meta-ception) Offline
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K123 said: » Kaffy said: » Only partially Asura fault because no other server has PUGs to speak of, but if you only ever PUG segments you're probably gonna tryhard and have a skewed perspective of what is possible. If 2 DRK can full clear then why not take them? Keep digging my friend. |
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