Sigurd's Descendants: The Art Of Dragon Slaying.

Yes my WS sets have higher attack than my idle. I just happened to be looking at something equiped for someone on discord and noticed attack at over 6k. I didnt bother checking while we were fighting the W3 boss because winning the parse is a thing.

Does that ammo slot from oddesy now beat other options once its augmented for stardiver and drakes? Lower str but da.

Manual

Yeah the point I was wanting to make about it being tougher than you think even with 6k In Dynamis is one the frailty nerf but two you really need to make sure your group has probably 3 forms of defense down on the target there to make sure you hitting that cap. It’s certainly possible but in all honestly you probably only apply all three forms consistently in just the wave 2 and 3 bosses and maybe the NM in wave 3. Everything else dies too fast to bother with there.

The other thing is what someone mention about Gaol NM’s and the likely hood of not having enough defense down or attack buff combo. You certainly could have it but it’s also very likely you don’t. I think we need to introduce a new gear set thats a midpoint between uncapped and capped where you have enough attack to support a partial PDL build but not the full thing. Much like we often have three levels of accuracy builds in our Lua’s.

Also bring a BST for that lovely 33% defense down.

Genuinely surprised BST isn't bandwagoned yet. Their debuffs are pretty good.

FTFY

Box step is -23% def, while BST 33% is only 8% above most def down debuffs provided with WS, spells and abilities. Also Haste Samba is more useful than ever, when WAR cant sub Dual Wield or Hasso.

Yep, 2AM is usually when math starts to be a problem for me too XD

One more thing tho, you said for "non crits". I dont think there is difference in ratio cap for crits and non crits? You actually got me thinking..

so I went and tested it..

and the formula for crit ratio cap with PDL is not (normal cap+1)*PDL, but (normal cap*PDL)+1.

*** I need to change all my sheets now >.>

Does stinger helm beat gletis mask for stardiver? In an atk capped set?

As it turns out... sometimes, yes.

If attack is uncapped, both Gleti's and Stinger+1 get stomped on by Ptero+3.

But if attack is sufficiently overcapped then R15 Stinger +1 can come out ahead when your unity rank is high enough to be providing at least 1 STR above the minimum value. Sadly I have no idea what rank you have to be for that. And while it is ahead, it's not massively so. It's a decent bit ahead. Roughly 300 dmg per ws, at unity rank 1. About 70 dmg ahead at +4 total STR from the unity stat.

Also, thing to note. Stinger +1 has no atk. At all. So it is not helping you get to that overcapped state at all. Gleti's has +40 atk natively, and can be augmented with more. So if you are going to use Stinger, make sure you are waaaay over capped.

Love that drg gets a malignance esque set. Finally!

STP/PDL or WSD/DA augment variants.

I am trying out Retribution as a blunt damage for Odyssey farming this is the set I have been trying:

ItemSet 378686

I am quite impressed in both Dynamis W1 and 2 and on Apex Jagils. On the Jagils with trusts Jochim, Arciela, Ulmia, Yoran-Oran and Qultada averaging of 12299 with 70 samples. Seeing about 9k at 1000TP and 20k at full TP.

I am also wondering about Cataclysm with the Nyame set. Anyone had a look if it is viable?

Using this for Cata right now, don't think anything has been replaced w/o augments but I would love info that I am wrong.
Hands have 44 MAB and using ReikikonPath B nyame should replace just about everything but head

Edit: Also for Retribution Epaminondas's Ring and Metamor. Ring +1 should be better when attack is capped

Thanks for the suggestion with those rings, will have to get hold of them :)

Why Retribution when Shattersoul is better? Unless you dont have room to merit it I guess.

How much damage are you seeing in Odyssey vs bones?

I just unlocked it for funsies on SCH. Didn't consider making a set for DRG until now. What kind of numbers are you seeing?

Im not seeing anything because I havent tried it :D I just looked it up for the same reason (I was checking blunt options) in sheet few days ago and it was better than Retribution. I think it was around 17-18k at 1000TP+, when Retribution was around 13k.

EDIT: I was checking at attack cap with gleti's tho (vs Retribution at attack cap and Gelti's). With uncapped attack they might be close, because of Retribution native +50% attack bonus.

Even with 25 merits now, I still don't have room for Shattersoul. I guess maybe I could remove star driver and give it a shot. If anyone has been using it would love to hear about it.

Edit: Would love to see some sets as well.

I have been seeing over 20k but I have been making improvements so I would expect it to be even better now


Partly because I'm not familiar enough with staff to have thought about the merit WS xD I'll have to look at my merits and see if I can have a play. I'm not completely sure how to gear for it, can I just transfure over my Retribution set or does it need something specific? The INT modifier is interesting

Get both?


SHATTERSOUL > RETRIBUTION (FRAGMENTATION)

The INT mod is a pain. You can always just stack either Multi Attack or PDL if attack is capped.

If you ever overflow on tp because of a jump, Full Swing also has 5 ftp at 3000tp.

Heres a really stupid one.
SHATTERSOUL > FULL SWING (IMPACTION) > FULL SWING (LIQUEFACTION) > FULL SWING (FUSION) > SHATTERSOUL (GRAVITATION)

DRG does have enough raw WSDMG gear/trait to make Full Swing/Retribution decent-ish.

It still isnt as impressive as club/h2h sadly

What would a good shatter soil set even look like. Imagine alot of stuff you use for stardiver. Would it be all gleits if you were capping atk though.

How do Trish / Ryu stack up against each other these days at R15?

Trish > Ryu, probably. I imagine the gap closed a bit in situations where Gleti's can be used to it's full potential.

Ryu also, probably, loses the least from swapping in Nayame pieces for meva shenanigans.

Ryu wins at attack cap from raw dps perspective (damage without self skillchaining), but attack cap with Gleti and Drake's is practically only possible with geo in events where geomancy isn't nerfed or with dnc doing box step on top of angon and dia III.

That being said, Shining One beats both at attack cap :P I'm surprised none realized this already? Gleti's has amazing synergy with Shining One and it has some ridiculous avg damage if you hold tp to ~2500, that makes even 3000tp Torcleavers looks like NIN ws lol. It can spike to 99k and avg around 72k XD

Haven't been playing, or had much in the way of free time for months.

I'll have to check the math out, that sounds pretty damn cool.

Trish is great if you can make use of the aftermath and make Umbras. Ryu is nuts to play with when you're actually in a position where you have enough attack & the mob has enough HP to make it worthwhile (for AM purposes). However, that being said, both seem to fall short of Shining One + Impulse Drive when:
1. You're not able to cap attack sufficiently so that Drakesbane doesn't hit for garbage damage
2. You can't make use of Umbra

Shining One is just extremely powerful in practice and synergizes well with DRG's amazing TP gain. I admittedly don't have Trish R15, but I do have Ryu R15. I can't say I'm in any rush to R15 Trish, though, I definitely see the value if found myself in the position to make use of SCs more often.

It's definitely something I haven't seen brought up often at all. Like you said, it does require you to hold TP, HOWEVER, TP generation is not something DRG struggles with. I feel like the WS frequency pulls ahead in practice for fights long enough to make full use of though.

Could someone post BIS Savage blade TP/WS sets? Thanks :)