A New War You Can't Blame On Bush! Or Can You?

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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2013-08-27 10:59:22
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
It's a summary of an actual study. If you didn't enjoy their rundown then here, go nuts:
http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/8/2/024024/


"We find that 66.4% of abstracts expressed no position on AGW, 32.6% endorsed AGW, 0.7% rejected AGW and 0.3% were uncertain about the cause of global warming. Among abstracts expressing a position on AGW, 97.1% endorsed the consensus position that humans are causing global warming."


So according to this article only 32% of the papers supported the belief in global warming and the bloated 97% is really 97% of the 32%. Thanks.
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-08-27 11:08:11
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Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
It's a summary of an actual study. If you didn't enjoy their rundown then here, go nuts:
http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/8/2/024024/


"We find that 66.4% of abstracts expressed no position on AGW, 32.6% endorsed AGW, 0.7% rejected AGW and 0.3% were uncertain about the cause of global warming. Among abstracts expressing a position on AGW, 97.1% endorsed the consensus position that humans are causing global warming."


So according to this article only 32% of the papers supported the belief in global warming and the bloated 97% is really 97% of the 32%. Thanks.

And this is a perfect example of how this issue gets twisted into an illusion of debate.

Anthropogenic means primarily resulting from atmospheric pollution by humans. The 66% of papers taking no stance on the CAUSE are strictly analysis of data, 32% taking a stance of causation. Together they are 97% of scientific studies reaching the conclusion that global climate change is real and caused by humans, with 2/3 of those studies not expressing an "opinion".

Basically, 97% of studies conclude that humans are responsible for global climate change and 2/3 of those are solely analytical (that's a big deal in scientific circles because it eliminates the variable of subjectivity).
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2013-08-27 11:16:58
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Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
It's a summary of an actual study. If you didn't enjoy their rundown then here, go nuts:
http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/8/2/024024/


"We find that 66.4% of abstracts expressed no position on AGW, 32.6% endorsed AGW, 0.7% rejected AGW and 0.3% were uncertain about the cause of global warming. Among abstracts expressing a position on AGW, 97.1% endorsed the consensus position that humans are causing global warming."


So according to this article only 32% of the papers supported the belief in global warming and the bloated 97% is really 97% of the 32%. Thanks.

Well, no...

Of the ~4000 papers that stated any kind of position, whether an endorsement or rejection, 97% of them were in agreement about AGW. This is not a unique result, either.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2013-08-27 11:42:23
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Voren said: »

And for the impulse acting, what would you have done if you were president during 9/11? People criticize Bush for acting as he did, but should we have placed a thumb firmly in our collective *** and sat down. Did it fall under "my bad man"? Maybe placing better security measures and a new security administration in our airports would have helped....oh wait...TSA, yeah grand job they do.

Knowing what I did then? Invaded Afghanistan. You know, where OBL and AQ conspirators were said to be hiding. They took credit for the attacks and the Taliban sheltered AQ.

People rightfully criticize Bush and co. because the evidence was weak in Iraq, we were already distributing freedom in Afghanistan and we were quick to adopt the neocon ideas of regime change and attack, attack, attack coated in patriotism and god bless America.

The media on both sides lapped it up and Congress fell in line based on the intel given to them. It was a huge blunder that contributed to our fiscal situation and it could have all been avoided.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2013-08-27 11:43:37
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Well, no...

Of the ~4000 papers that stated any kind of position, whether an endorsement or rejection, 97% of them were in agreement about AGW. This is not a unique result, either.


Yeah now who is flailing?

Only 32.6% of the papers endorsed global warming, and 97% of those believed the cause of global warming was man-made. 66% of the papers gave no position which means they did not support/endorse global warming. Stop trying to spin these numbers, you crushed your own argument with the article you posted.

Though I'm sure you probably believe that the 66% probably actually saw the evidence of global warming, but were paid by oil companies to say they didn't.
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-08-27 11:45:09
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Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
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Well, no...

Of the ~4000 papers that stated any kind of position, whether an endorsement or rejection, 97% of them were in agreement about AGW. This is not a unique result, either.


Yeah now who is flailing?

Only 32.6% of the papers endorsed global warming, and 97% of those believed the cause of global warming was man-made. 66% of the papers gave no position which means they did not support/endorse global warming. Stop trying to spin these numbers, you crushed your own argument with the article you posted.

Though I'm sure you probably believe that the 66% probably actually saw the evidence of global warming, but were paid by oil companies to say they didn't.

You're missing important key words and as usual don't understand the actual definitions of them.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2013-08-27 11:58:38
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Syria to Climate Change? Makes sense.
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By ScaevolaBahamut 2013-08-27 12:02:48
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from now on i am just going to jump in AH political threads around page 5 or 6 and say BILDERBERG GROUP

hope that's cool, bros
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By Bismarck.Aselin 2013-08-27 12:06:37
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http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/27/20209022-military-strikes-on-syria-as-early-as-thursday-us-officials-say

Let's see what Russia and China does to us in the days after...
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By Siren.Mosin 2013-08-27 12:09:46
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Bismarck.Aselin said: »

nothing.....

I'll bet 100 internets.

It is a sad day if they're really thinking about gearing up to go world policing again.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2013-08-27 12:11:02
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ScaevolaBahamut said: »
from now on i am just going to jump in AH political threads around page 5 or 6 and say BILDERBERG GROUP

hope that's cool, bros

You have his vote!



Has anyone noticed how similar Prince Charles and GW look? NWO? Illuminati? Free Masons?

/spooky fingers
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-08-27 12:12:24
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Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
Has anyone noticed how similar Prince Charles and GW look?

You mean born into power and confused by simple concepts?
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2013-08-27 12:17:25
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Siren.Mosin said: »
Bismarck.Aselin said: »

nothing.....

I'll bet 100 internets.

It is a sad day if they're really thinking about gearing up to go world policing again.

Great! More casualties. That's just what we need. As if the images last week weren't disturbing enough. I hope Cameron has the sense to keep Britain from following us into another endless folly.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2013-08-27 12:35:15
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Aman has nothing but his usual Obamacare, Climate Change, RNC talking points rotation. The eagerness to change the topic to something on script every time is telling.

Syria? FEMA CAMPS
Iraq? OBAMACARE
Egypt? CLIMATE CHANGE
Israel? LIBERALS
Red Velvet Cake? COMMUNISTS
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2013-08-27 13:25:46
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
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Actually I can blame every problem in the Mideast, other than Israel, on Bush.

You can blame anyone one you want... but if you want to get to the root of the problem you have to go back to Kennedy. John Fitzgerald, not bobby or teddy

Cleverly excising which Bush I blame....

Begging your pardon, but it was Prescott Bush and Jack Philby (Hillary "Harry" St-John Bridger Philby) who gave the world the modern Middle east by converting sheiks to kings in order to to make the world safe for constitutional monarchies and empowering the radical Wahhabi sect in the process.

This happened a bit before JFK became president, or his father ran rum.

Besides, I thought all things liberal were ultimately FDR's fault.

I don't remember when prescott bush was president...are you from an alternate time stream?

everything was cool until jfk decided to croak the kings and install the baath party... it's interesting if you look at jfk foreign policy how many messes we are still dealing with fifty some odd years later.
vietnam, cuba, iraq, latin america etc.

fdr is only to blame for messing up the us lol
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-08-27 13:32:04
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Shiva.Nikolce said: »
Garuda.Chanti said: »
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Actually I can blame every problem in the Mideast, other than Israel, on Bush.

You can blame anyone one you want... but if you want to get to the root of the problem you have to go back to Kennedy. John Fitzgerald, not bobby or teddy

Cleverly excising which Bush I blame....

Begging your pardon, but it was Prescott Bush and Jack Philby (Hillary "Harry" St-John Bridger Philby) who gave the world the modern Middle east by converting sheiks to kings in order to to make the world safe for constitutional monarchies and empowering the radical Wahhabi sect in the process.

This happened a bit before JFK became president, or his father ran rum.

Besides, I thought all things liberal were ultimately FDR's fault.

I don't remember when prescott bush was president...are you from an alternate time stream?

everything was cool until jfk decided to croak the kings and install the baath party... it's interesting if you look at jfk foreign policy how many messes we are still dealing with fifty some odd years later.
vietnam, cuba, iraq, latin america etc.

fdr is only to blame for messing up the us lol

Prescott Bush was never president, he was arguably more influential than most presidents, though. He's an interesting figure to read about, but he definitely had his role in the ***-storm the middle east has become.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2013-08-27 13:43:18
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Odin.Jassik said: »
Prescott Bush was never president, he was arguably more influential than most presidents, though. He's an interesting figure to read about, but he definitely had his role in the ***-storm the middle east has become.

I'm interested in his connection to syria and can find no mention...

linky por favor?
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-08-27 14:37:47
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Shiva.Nikolce said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Prescott Bush was never president, he was arguably more influential than most presidents, though. He's an interesting figure to read about, but he definitely had his role in the ***-storm the middle east has become.

I'm interested in his connection to syria and can find no mention...

linky por favor?


I don't see any kind of link directly to syria from a few quick searches, but I don't think that's what he was implying by bringing up Prescott Bush's influence on the middle east. Just that there were people stirring stuff up before JFK was.
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By Enuyasha 2013-08-27 16:34:28
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Also Bush Jr. Didn't win his first term, Gore did. Just sayin'
I'm sure that if Obama won the electoral vote, but Romney won the popular vote, you would be saying "Working as intended."
I'd still be bitching because then we'd have higher tensions with China or at least war. I find it funny the "businessman" candidate wanted to all out go against China...where the cheapest industrial labor is..."BMINO" i guess.

Anyway,
Voren said: »
Statement:
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I firmly believe acting on intelligence

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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
The idea that Saddam was an imminent threat to the US was based on faulty intelligence.

I didn't miss the point, I saw it, and agree. Faulty intelligence always bites people in the ***. Intel is only as good as the people you place in charge of gathering it.

Enuyasha said: »
We always seem to have a problem with the little nations that we build always turn around on us and bite our hands. Then, if something happens: surprise, we dont know why it happened.

Because we have egos the size of the Northern hemisphere. We expect our puppet nations to stay as is until we decide to change them. This is why we should mind our own business. Unfortunately, the powers that be want to generate money for themselves and for companies that helped get them elected.
I didnt mean to say "You missed the point" i meant to say "We had intelligence something was gunna happen and we just let something happen".

Im surprised with how we arent at war with central and south america for all the naughty coups and government shifts we either directly or indirectly enacted in those countries :< I mean...Cuba hates us for a reason, Castro knows what would happen to him eventually if we had political ties.

Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »

I don't even like the idea of a personal reality. You can have your own opinions, but way too many people use terms like personal reality to justify ignoring concrete facts.

Yet people will still construct them and pretend theirs is actual reality. Yes they ignore things, that's being purposely ignorant, there's a word for that.

yes it's called "global warming" just sayin'
This is the only one of your posts im going to address and it qualifies as an answer for every post hereafter in this thread: No. Go sit the *** down and read the part of the internet thats all facts and not *** propaganda inaccuracies spread to misinform and poison the voter pool.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2013-08-27 16:40:29
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Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
Syria to Climate Change? Makes sense.

Amandarius and his lefty enablers can derail any subject.

He trolls with bait they find irresistible.

Bait... sheer bait.

He's good at it too.
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By Enuyasha 2013-08-27 16:43:10
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
Syria to Climate Change? Makes sense.

Amandarius and his lefty enablers can derail any subject.

He trolls with bait they find irresistible.

Bait... sheer bait.

He's good at it too.
I can get off this hook any time i want thank you! *tugs at troll hook* *gives up* *goes to research information for Amandarius' next attempt at a tug*
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By Siren.Mosin 2013-08-27 16:47:51
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
Amandarius and his lefty enablers can derail any subject.

personally, I like when he breaks character & pops out something totally spot-on, or a funny joke, I always doubletake on avi when he pulls that ***. good times.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2013-08-27 17:02:10
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Let's not act like any of us are above derailing.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2013-08-27 17:03:40
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Only when the DNC pays me, baby.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2013-08-27 17:07:35
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Let's not act like any of us are above derailing.

Well, we all know a house fire of a thread when we see it. Why not toast some marshmallows over the embers?
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By Siren.Mosin 2013-08-27 17:10:22
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Let's not act like any of us are above derailing.

that's my favorite thing to do, honestly.

unless of course there is some actual discourse taking place, but......
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-08-27 17:55:14
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
Syria to Climate Change? Makes sense.

Amandarius and his lefty enablers can derail any subject.

He trolls with bait they find irresistible.

Bait... sheer bait.

He's good at it too.

I like how disagreeing with a delusional person makes you a lefty.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2013-08-27 18:14:01
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Odin.Jassik said: »
Garuda.Chanti said: »
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
Syria to Climate Change? Makes sense.

Amandarius and his lefty enablers can derail any subject.

He trolls with bait they find irresistible.

Bait... sheer bait.

He's good at it too.

I like how disagreeing with a delusional person makes you a lefty.
Actually, that makes you a righty.

Agreeing with a delusional person makes you a lefty. Ask Uncle Biden.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2013-08-27 19:48:42
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The hell you all goin on about now?
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