Mandau /wristing

I admit a mild discomfort with this. Not because this weapon replaces Mandau or out damages it.. but because its the tip of the iceberg, the out-of-the-box weapons. I imagine they'll get better from here.

They did mention they didnt want to upgrade relics through Magians or any other means, but they might just flat out buff them. Either way, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it... Unless the relic really sucked from the beginning (Gungnir), chances of them outdating it are pretty low.

What they're doing here is closing the gap in power between R/M/E and normal weapons, I'm assuming so that shouts dont go "R/M/E DD Only", or at least do that less than they are now.

With how much easier Relics are to get these days, I can see why they feel the gap can be lessened now...

Appears to be some very bored people in this thread.

why are people QQ'n over the dagger? really not holding into account the fact it still isnt going to be better anyways, mandau's xdmg multiplier is still there...on top of poison AND MOST OF ALL mercy stroke is alot better than your choices of ws's on your list on top of it. blah blah blah. people cry too much over stupid ***.

Some of you are having a really tough time grasping this, huh

If its one thing ive learned on the damn interwebz... is try not to set yourself up for a blasting...

You sir left yourself well and truely open to blasting of the highest nature...

you keep refering to being sarcastic.. I saw your original post before you ninja edited it... and you sir in my mind was not being sarcastic.

Stop trying to justify your reasons for not having a mandau for 7yrs infact stop trying to justify anything..

Also why are you quoting people who abyssea burned their jobs suddenly not having the right to blast you for posting something stupid?

Am I pro because I did colibiri merit parties in bhaf all those years ago? *** no. Those pts sucked the xp was lame and it took ages to even get 1 lousy lvl. Where the parties funny though? absolutely some people were hilarious and made the time pass well. Was getting really high chains on pink birdies funny to screenshot? yep.

Did any of that ***prepare me for being totally *** slapped by pandy warden the first time i fought it? ..... nope... no it didn't...

Just suck it up and take it like a man, ive been abused for (supposedly) posting something stupid on this forum and believe you me ive tried my best not to let that situation happen again.

It would be a pretty terrible expansion if it didn't shake up the power structure a bit. Even if relics etc continue to be the top weapons, they should require subsequent upgrades to maintain superiority.

i understand what your saying Ane, but they said that in future there going to allow us to upgrade relics/EMP/mythics. for people who dont know about this, no reason to shed gypsy tears switching to another weapon just yet. and it really cant get all that much crazier were already 99, and not seeing level 100.

Mercy stroke is actually just a real power Stacked WS, So unstacked nonR owners have Exenterator which is smashing. Also I just wanted to mention Mandaus Additional effect is a pile of D*cks, its 10hp/tic, Laughable, and in worst cases prevents mobs from being slept, actually becoming a detriment.

Though carry on anywho, I think the real thing anyone should be focusing on are those new Augmented weapons.

DMG:52 Delay:183
DMG:+3 STR+3 DEX+4

Implies these could have potential as an offhand if those stats are just some of what it could be augmented with :Q

it's got what plants crave

I'd be only too glad to continue to upgrade my 99 Emp. Unfortunately, they appear to be explicitly saying that they don't have plans for that to happen.

I'm aware that he says that R/M/E "won't go to waste," but I read "won't go to waste" as "well you can sort of salvage them with evoliths or something as one of our afterthoughts"

"Will still have the potential to reign supreme" or "Will continue to be among the top options" would have been closer to the words I was hoping for.

No. While it's admittedly somewhat cryptic/equivocal, they said the opposite.

We should all take five seconds and look at how shitty the OP's THF is and admire his lack of priorities.

However, in regards to these weapons that you have enhanced up to level 99, we are formulating plans so that they do not go to waste. (Including the weapons that do not yet have their afterglows.)

either way i'm not biting my nails over this topic.

Do you seriously think that if there was a 165base dmg GA they are suddenly going to be out dotting a lvl 90-99 ukon... because frankly in my mind it aint happenin... and upheaval is still garbage unless stacked with mightystrikes... sure ive seen it put out some respectable numbers unstacked... but its nothin on ukkos.

Until I see reliable math info on these new weapons to prove they are better,then they are just weps to use if you didnt have a relic or high lvl empy to keep you on a reasonable par with said relic or empy users.

People need to stop shitting their pants when they see a higher lvl base dmg weapon and instantly thinking its the best....because you know... it might very well not be.

If you guys would read the thread before posting, I wouldn't have to keep quoting previous posts :(

stop trolling, jesus, just let it go, and see what happens, im not gonna trip over all of this, a relic is a relic, not hard to make um.
and i didnt see your evolith post, that's a theory, or synergy using the fragments "scrap fragments for 8-12" and maybe get some cool additional stats? who knows? who cares?

That is really disappointing :| why even make these peerless weapons which are supposed to dominate everything ("supposed to" ... look at Gungnir/Claustrum etc) if you're not going to offer them more power in an expansion which hopefully offers everyone more power?

What's truly wrong with it during the "current" data capture of gear I was running around in at that point in time? Again, please forgive me for being gone a long time and coming back to many changes. I have focused the last 4 months solely on getting Mandau from stage 3 to lv 90, and not much else. I am TOTALLY open to constructive criticism that would improve my "shitty THF". I don't use Fajin Boots for anything other than running around in. I have 5/5 Raider's +2. I do run around in Love Torque, Twilight Belt, and yes, the crappy *** Twilight Dagger (until I finish my STR Thokcha). I have a DEX Thokcha, which I used for main hand until I got Mandau. I know my gear is sub-par. Please, give me some advice, not rip me apart.

As for "ninja-editting" the first post, I was not aware that this forum doesn't put a "last edit" timestamp, as it was my very first post in this site's forums. I truly was being sarcastic, whether you believe it or not, and apparently left myself wide open for bashing. I don't go around bragging about myself, my LOLTHF, or anything else for that matter. I also don't parade around that I'm a know-it-all or know everything there is to know about this game. I came back because of those lol-moments in 6 man parties that made the game fun.

If they added an Augmentation with Scraps to Relics... I think I'd be okay with this.

Mandau's Primary augment would be Treasure Hunter +1, cause fk you thats why -Love SE.


You can start by picking up a Suppoanomimi... Theres a lot of other selections, but you're about on Par with a "Abyssea veteran", Emp+2 gear, etc.

Only obvs upgrades i can think of are NNI and Salv2 related.

This is about as close to a valid concern as anybody's going to get, but the gap between the what-are-obviously-rare-Naakual-weapons and everything else is still pretty big, so it seems likely these drops are intended to stay top dog among Adoulin loot for a while.

Fire, wind, and water-resist weapons are the only ones released so far, which leads me to believe we're only going to have access to three Naakuals from launch via colonization.

LOL KARBUNCLE!

Ive already read that and I stick by my statement because its based on general application.

my point is this...dont QQ until you have a real reason to QQ.

what.

I actually quite like the idea of that for some reason....

I dont get this. Did you read this topic at all before posting because I didnt see any QQ's(besides the OP).

It was meant as a general sweeping statment regarding whats being discussed.

People always QQ about when something which appears to be better will beat their shiney.. then.. they realise.. oh wait it doesnt...

no Pwnzone it wasn't directed at everyone, it was directed at whoever is QQ'n in general.

There appears to be nothing in this update that touches Ukon, which would be the only thing I personally have reason to worry about. That said, the weapons that DID get released are enough of an indicator of future content that it's pretty obvious which way the wind is blowing. If you're not capable of extrapolating a future power curve based on initial offerings, I'm not really sure what to say to you.

It's roughly analogous to the 80 cap, a lot of 75 gear was still relevant then, but you could pretty easily deduce your 75 gear was on the way out, as 80 was the tip of the iceberg.

The difference is, they gave relic owners a chance to keep up then.

This is not a difficult concept to grasp.