IiPunch - Monk Guide

I'm the one that posted about the stats for the acc/dex path h2h on BG. That makes sense now I used 5 +2 airs (off the start friend told me his body cost 5 to max) and it still needed 1000 points more and was RANK 14. I kept grabbing +1 from the npc and it seemed I grabbed a lot more then what 1k should of been going by +1=50 points. So seems it would be 6 +2 indeed to RANK 15 weapons too. I know I didn't grab no wheres near enough +1 airs to get to 7 +2 airs so half value makes a lot of sense.

Ahh, thank you for clearing that up.

Ok now I checked the "att + 15/ DA +2%" path, and the spreadhseet says that qaaxo augmented this way is inferior to otronif +1 augmented with da or crit.

So best set for capped acc and when you don't really care about pdt would be

Felistris/thaumas/otronif +1 (da)/ hesy +1/ otronif +1 (crit) for tp
and keep otronif +1 (crit) for legs.

Also on mobs with high EVA like arkangels (tough+ probably) the full set of qaaxo (with acc maxed) and lithelimb cap will outperform an otronif acc build by ~15%. Input 1100 eva on a random mob to check.

An advantage of this new set is that you can now carry a capped and uncapped acc set, since prior to this you had to have 2 otronif sets basically which you can't distinguish.

You say "suck too much"

Others say "have a life/job outside FFXI"

Cuz yeah... Skirmish Ra'Kaznar is soooo hard I just can't beat it!


I was talking to the person who wanted to argue that full timing Otronif was the only way to survive AA fights on D/VD.

You guys wouldn't know this not being from here, but carbuncle is the absolute slowest bassackwards to adapt server I think exists.

Kenny thinks that surviving with fulltiming the pdt is the only way it can be done is because for this server, it's true. (aside from rangers, but thats a hilarity of it's own)

Still using paladins as the ONLY viable tank while nin/drk sam and mnk were amazing tanks back @ 75, and a billion other examples.

When we/you as a whole discuss things, you can honestly ignore anything that comes from anyone on carbuncle, myself included, cause we're always just so damn far behind the curve it's pointless to even see our inputs.

Also worth mentioning that, "that" particular set of players usually being referred to, (pink) are mostly pretty *** terrible, but they have amazing bots/rmt'd carns etc so again, for your own saved time, just ignore them basically.

((<3 no point playing nice, time to just be honest))

Got me some Tinhaspa, not sure if I want to go Acc or Att path, Path 3 shows just 1 attack @ rank 1. Not really sure end out come, could be high attack with pdt stp. Has anyone taken path 3 to rank 15?

New gear is awesome my ls went and got all wins last night and then went and did tojil for plasm... Took a rdm and a i115 mnk (bc they needed win) and with 11 people killed with 12 mins left, that may not be impressive to ya'll but that is a big jump for us. DD's were just destroying everything.

Except galka yes but i m sure you are too gimp to even beat difficult EV tanking on mnk. I know this from your various gear suggestions. Hell in my 6 man DM normal runs the mobs often put me in red while pretty much capping pdt.

I'm just starting to gear MNK again after a long time. Could you please be a little more specific?

For example, the Otronif +1 (DA) you mean for hands or what slot? And which slot do you mean for the Otronif +1 Crit?. And Which Hesy+1 piece?

Also is VSmite gear going to be changed a lot now or it's pretty much the same?

Thanks in advance

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I think this a honest to god real set we would be using though.
edit: with w/e weapon you use, I am using oats atm can also swap head to tiger mask or to windbuffet if you don't need acc... But looking at the NMs we've fought so far I would assume you will need the acc on mega bosses

Already done EV on difficult as MNKx4, BRD, WHM. Was one of the easier ones really.

I'm sure I am gimp compared to you. You have amazing gear and a ton of gil to buy all kinds of cool stuff. How many accounts do you pay for? Do you use programs to play those characters for you? How much time per day do you spend on FFXI?

I'm just curious because I am assuming you spend an exorbitant amount of time on FFXI to the point that you are absorbed in it. And, if that is the case, perhaps it's the reason for your lack of social skills and your wording that is either petty, antagonistic, demeaning, or just plain unfriendly.

As for Divine Might, I have been MNK a few times and never gone in to red with full shadows up. I don't full time PDT gear. I swap back and forth between my PDT and ACC set depending on what's going on.

If the mob turns to me and swings at me, I react. If it's GK or EV, I just stay in full ACC gear. If it's MR or HM I swap to full PDT gear. If Utsusemi Ni is up, sometimes I'll refresh that third shadow, sometimes I won't, again, depending on who it is. If it's HM, I'll wait a sec for his swing timer to almost be up, and then I'll start casting Utsusemi Ichi. If he turns to swing at someone else, I cancel the cast and just keep going till he turns back to me.

I always bring echo drops for EV. Always bring poison pots for MR and TT. Whichever AA we fight, we try to constantly keep it turning so that we don't have to worry about getting our shadows stripped right before a TP move. Also, multiple monks allows for full time Mantra. We all have around 3k hp for the fight. As a mithra, I'm actually a lil short of 3k until I upgrade my Hesy. Gloves to +1.

TL;DR - *yawn* another "stfu pchan" argument

How are the new H2H vs Oats/Spharai?

Thanks Jinn for pathing out the first set. 90M for science is a generous offering

I wouldn't use Manibozho Boots unless you don't have another option (Otronif, Daihanshi Habaki)

Not sure if you are going for a specific number for accuracy or not.
Anchoret's isn't terrible with that extra 80 hp, but for dealing more damage, you can go with Letalis Mantle. You lose accuracy and attack, but if you swap your earrings to Bladeborn/Steelflash, you end up making a net gain of 3 accuracy and 2% double attack while only accruing a net loss of 2 attack.

That swap does make sense, and the thought on mani boots was was getting both double attack and the bonuses from augments (the acc/att/str) and no just a general guess on needed acc.

It will vary based on what other buffs your getting and evasion down debuffs on your target.

You may be swapping Lithelimb for something more damage oriented (Uk'uxkaj, Whirlpool, Felistris, Otronif, Quaaxo).

You may be swapping Honed Tathlum to Potestas Bomblet

You might be swapping Quaaxo Harness to Thaumas Coat for the lesser NMs that don't do much damage.

You might want Windbuffet Belt over Anguinus if you don't need the accuracy.

Can't really nail down one set for anything. Personally, I set up my gearswap to toggle through 5 different TP sets:
Full DD, Some accuracy, Full accuracy, Full PDT, and PDT/Accuracy. Then I have my weaponskill sets that are used based on which TP set I'm in. And when Impetus is up, I also have Tantra Body that goes in to my Vsmite sets no matter which TP set I'm in.

Peldin is correct you can change a single buff and it changes everything, especially when you are boarder line on sweet spots. This is why there is no definitive answer to perfect sets. The only way to be prepared is to have multi-tier sets. IE if you are capped haste marchx2 + Haste, Shaolin Belt pulls ahead, crazy? I know, but test it on sheets, lol. Little thing like being in Ddex sweet spot all of a sudden makes your DPS jump insanely on sheets when another item with a substantial Str or Att stat on it falls below.

Why I always say, download sheets your self use the the free software and check your sets vs your conman party set ups.

EDIT: for not wanting to make a double post. I really do not get the argument of Mnk for AAs; We tried Mnk/Nins etc. Ultimately a hand full of us just took some damn hard work and made Relic Bows/Guns, Went in PLD Heals Support Rng set ups and wrecked everything on Very Difficult with no real issue and rather quickly. Everyone got what they wanted for most part and done with that content. Just seems to me the argument is mute, as I would rather take a set up that can win with out "Going into the red on normal" and kick *** on VD to get max loot faster. The new NMs are semi evasive but nothing compared to Mithra on VD.

Gonna agree with him on this one. With Ranger being probably the weakest of all DD Class jobs, I never touched it until a fight like Ark Angels/Divine Might pretty much demanded a Long Range DD. Can MNK be used? Hell yes, but is the risk of death high? Yea.. there's a very high chance you'll get killed 2 or 3 times per DM run regardless of how well you ride PDT, Chakra and Inner Strength lmao. Hell, the damn Hume is the angriest NM I've seen since Bukhis <.<; The damn thing 1-Shotted me while I was in full PDT set + 3 Shadows and nearly full HP. Its just not cost effective to use DDs vs AAs. but everything else? MNK/Other DDs all day.

You dont even need to make a Relic Bow/Gun just be smart enough to hold back a little when Stealth Shot is down and the rest is gravy. Even if you pull hate, you only lose it for a moment before the PLD takes it again and if you have THF, he can just pull some hate from you when it does happen. For this single particular fight, I'm pro-RNG

The ultimate (fastest) setup for AAs (VD) is mnk mnk WHM RNG BRD RNG, but requires mnks with good defensive sets. You probably clear anything under 5 minutes.


head/body/hands/legs/feet. The best VS set are left unchanged as far as I know but against hard hiting level 120+ mobs I would not suggest swapping gear for WS. Otronif+1 or qaxoo is fine for VS anyway.

No you didn't, EV doesnt support more than 2 DD, you'll die in maybe 10 seconds, you would know if you had actually done it.

LOL

I totally agree RNG strat is very sound. Very easy, especially for Annihilator rangers. The argument was stemmed off of someone trying to say that there weren't really any situations where you would go full accuracy without also wanting full PDT. Thus advocating that Otronif +1 was a necessity. I just argued that you can swap between full accuracy and full PDT, do more damage in the process, and save yourself millions on stupid skirmish crap. Then it just stemmed from there to "your stupid, your gimp, you haven't done it" etc etc.

Anyway, I don't like ranger nor do I like playing bandwagon jobs. I've actually been working on my ninja for doing VD AA fights because they have all been done with ninjas very quickly and it's not flavor-of-the-month

little summary of the difference between last week and this week

- last week : have to spend 40 M in wailing stones +2 to have correct augments on your 4 otronif pieces.
- this week : you have to spend 40M on airlixirs+2 to have the 4 pieces you need.

lol. At least KI is 100% this time... On the other hand people will get bored quick. I played 15 minutes total this week and already have body & hands capped... Half done ! Predicted time to clear the VU content : 30 minutes.

A) Carbuncle is hardly backwards, slow to the uptake or behind the curve on new strategies We were the first server to beat DM on VD to my knowledge.

B) Certain AAs, if you do not have your PDT on you will die. HM being a very obvious example. A single brazen rush CDC after an attack round will oneshot you. Fulltiming PDT is never 100% optimal, however it removes the ability to get wtfoneshotted.

I'm not saying it's impossible to do VD setups with melees (it obviously is possible and has been done) but why would you when rngx2 pld whm brd + anything can clear every single AA 100% of the time, very quickly i might add, unless your pld makes a mistake (MR) or BRD (EV). The other 3 can't kill your pld unless he is brain dead.

C) Using a MNK or SAM to tank anything difficult at 75 would never be optimal. Paladin and ninja had way more damage mitigation and hate generation tools the former just don't have. infact RDM and BRD were more viable tanks than SAM or MNK. Using the 75 cap as an example is bad in of itself because PLD now has access to Ochain, which makes them nigh immune to physical damage. Paladin as a tank has gained several tanking buffs, while ninja has not.

So no paladin isn't the only tank, but it certainly is the best and safest for anything difficult that doesn't require miga.<- This cannot be argued.

You might dislike the linkshell or not want to do things with them with because we have some very abrasive members, but discrediting our ability to do things down to "RMT'd Carns and bots" (baseless accusation from someone who has zero knowledge of the shell) is asinine. We've been clearing things the majority of the player base has had trouble with for a long time with ease. Every shell has bad players, a shell that can consistently clear the majority of the content very quickly from release is not one full of bad players.

Aren't there screenshot and video of 6-7min nin nin thf VD EV ? oh right those aren't DD my bad.

This is just flat out wrong, there were TONS of things at 75 that Sam, Drk, Mnk, or War were better tanks on than Pld/Rdm/Brd/Nin. In fact I specifically remember a thread on BG where someone (I think it was Failure) went through every fight in the game at the time and found the only place that Pld was the optimal tank was some mid tier ZNM.

Ixion? Tiamat? Vrtra? Khimaria? PLD (esp aegis pld) and NIN for those four off the top of my head would certainly be better than MNK or SAM

Some nobody seems to be mad.

Sorry, First to clear VD Divine Might, first group (me + papesse's group) to clear VD Return to Delkutt's Tower?
I'm sorry we suck so much and you feel the need to randomly bring us up in a MNK thread for whatever reason.

BRB RMTing some more gil because ADL is hard.
But first,

lemme take a #selfie

Sam was amazing at tanking Ixion, Tiamat you were much better off with a Nin or Rdm (Apoc Drk was actually theoretically supposed to be the best tank for this fight), Vrtra I don't even know because who actually killed that thing more than once before zerging, Khimaria I don't remember. The thing was, anything that you could safely melee to use Atonement on you could also safely melee with a real melee like Sam/Drk/War/Mnk. Anything that you couldn't use Atonement on, you might as well use a Nin or Rdm. Brd for when it was actually possible. I'm not entirely sure why this is in the Monk thread because honestly Monk wasn't that good at 75 for tanking HNMs compared to Sam.

Firstly we are way off topic, and for the hardcore I agree 100% I would put myself more on the casual side of things which ilevel gear helping every front all at once, is great for a player like me who stays up to date but will never get ahead. So this is kinda what i'm looking for and will probally just keep windbuffet and then w/e else I already have to save space IE bomblet being something I already have anyway.

Ah ok, thanks for clearing that up. For some reason I thought was supposed to aim for Crit on all the Otronifs.

So aim for DA augment on Otronif hands? Crit augment on Otronif feet and legs? Legs aren't too important to aim for a good augment anymore in general though because of Hesy+1 legs now I would think, or nah?