Comeuppances+1 R15 are pretty nice starter fists.
No SU requirement, POL sendable and a very nice damage/delay ratio for a new MNK. Made a pair for a fresh alt and I have to say I've been quite impressed.
I wouldn't recommend going out of your way to make them, but wings are cheap and depending on circumstances you might find them easier to make than Karambit.
Also, they are pretty attractive for Pup with the augment.
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my interest in pup is -1 but i still appreciate the alternatives.
I'll probably aim for karambit if nothing else - it's not too difficult to make, other than having to grind out a couple pulse weapons, and at that point i might even have the beads to make GH. we'll see.
I'll probably aim for karambit if nothing else - it's not too difficult to make, other than having to grind out a couple pulse weapons, and at that point i might even have the beads to make GH. we'll see.
Anyone at all with info on where Mpaca fits in for monk atm vs current BiS sets?
Foxfire said: »
my interest in pup is -1 but i still appreciate the alternatives.
I'll probably aim for karambit if nothing else - it's not too difficult to make, other than having to grind out a couple pulse weapons, and at that point i might even have the beads to make GH. we'll see.
I'll probably aim for karambit if nothing else - it's not too difficult to make, other than having to grind out a couple pulse weapons, and at that point i might even have the beads to make GH. we'll see.
If you have Kalunga clear you can buy the Sakpata fists and ride those. No resale value (you can vendor them!), but same boat as karambit which becomes replaced soon.
Asura.Evildemon said: »
Anyone at all with info on where Mpaca fits in for monk atm vs current BiS sets?
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Ramuh.Austar said: »
Asura.Evildemon said: »
Anyone at all with info on where Mpaca fits in for monk atm vs current BiS sets?
Unless bis here means "Best in scenario" or "Best in situation" :D
Most people asking for BIS gear are asking for situational BIS gear imo (at least I hope they do :>) Usually you say BIS for capped attack etc.
Anyway going back to question. R20 Mpaca legs seems to be the best for all relevant H2H WSs at capped or uncapped attack and R20 head (possibly R0 too) would be the best for Howling, Raging, Tornado and Dragon Kick, but TP bonus doesnt work for now.
What about legs at R0?
GlassyCraver said: »
What about legs at R0?
Legs at R0 are still best for most WSs (beside Asuran and Shijin I guess). Obviously for some WSs its marginal gain at attack cap without PDL from Ranks.
R20 head (when they fix it) and legs are also a huge DPS boost to Godhands builds for Impetus down. For example at attack cap and with Footwork at 1000TP+ Tornado gains almost 17% damage! (from 43339 to 50656 assuming Apex Eruca target. DPS jumps from 9989 to 11165). This actually makes GHR15 Tornado build during FW as potent as VeretR15 Vsmite during Impetus (obviously excluding skillchain damage).
Shijin > DK would be close to 30% better during footwork than spamming TK
Ramuh.Austar said: »
"BiS" is situational and a stupid term for FFXI.
They literally said "sets" implying they understand the situational and multiple gearset state of FFXI. Your comment really didn't add anything of value to the discussion and if anything attempted to take it away. I don't think its rocket science to explain which situations that Mpaca pieces are best in slot.
That being said:
Mpaca Body should be BiS for almost every TPing situation. The exceptions being when you need the Meva or if you are going for more white damage during impetus.
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eliroo said: »
sets
it's also not rocket science to see that head and legs are good for "BiS"
Ramuh.Austar said: »
Shijin > DK would be close to 30% better during footwork than spamming TK
You have just wrote things are situational, then you write something like this, which sounds like some ultimate truth, while in reality is more situational than Mpaca legs.
What about at R0? Anything worth using other than Legs and Head (once they fix it).
Ramuh.Austar said: »
its bis though
Maybe, but it looks closer to being even, or rather TK>TK being slightly better and definitely not 30% more on SHijin>DK, unless target resists Impaction, but im not sure what damage you assume for those WSs.
eliroo said: »
Mpaca Body should be BiS for almost every TPing situation. The exceptions being when you need the Meva or if you are going for more white damage during impetus.
This is the point that Austar was kinda loosely making, though. "BIS" is such a broad term that doesn't tell you what the parameters of such a set is. It's just like when you hear "with buffs". It just opens up a handful more of questions. BIS is more confusing than anything now. Someone will come and say they do 50k ws "with buffs" using "BIS set".
There's just dozens of builds that don't really define BIS anymore. These new Gaol monsters are a perfect example. BIS damage, but then get hit in TP set and die. So it wasn't BIS because now you're dead.
I just think its s better to make situationally appropriate sets, rather than strive for Best in Slot sets. You cover more bases that way. Damage is relative to most things anyways.
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Except you can define a best in slot for each of those situations. This is exactly where the term comes into play and there are only so many situations in XI that would require specific pieces.
When you design a "Situationally appropriate set" you are putting the best pieces in each slot tailored to that situation correct? So that makes you new "SAS" set actually the "BiS" for the situation you are defining it for.
Ultimately anyone in this forum can figure out how to answer a question with someone asking about BiS.
When you design a "Situationally appropriate set" you are putting the best pieces in each slot tailored to that situation correct? So that makes you new "SAS" set actually the "BiS" for the situation you are defining it for.
Ultimately anyone in this forum can figure out how to answer a question with someone asking about BiS.
SimonSes said: »
Ramuh.Austar said: »
its bis though
Maybe, but it looks closer to being even, or rather TK>TK being slightly better and definitely not 30% more on SHijin>DK, unless target resists Impaction, but im not sure what damage you assume for those WSs.
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12620.74 59201.13 29805.15 0.23 0.62 0.15 11292.84 14050.99 51589.48 67336.85 14812.57 49343.53 33005.29 0.17 0.58 0.24 13052.44 16638.66 43463.74 55040.05
But if we add the third step doing Spiral > DK > Smite(No Impetus), it loses again.
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15233.05 34651.12 52941.91 0.16 0.42 0.41 13212.23 17388.13 30441.08 38895.42
And doing Spiral > DK > Spiral(Godhands):
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15910.88 35353.45 54972.73 0.15 0.42 0.42 13782.99 17963.72 31400.5 39590.52
Edit: Don't have Godhands skillchain bonus from AM included, which is a minor increase for the non TKx3 options
eliroo said: »
When you design a "Situationally appropriate set" you are putting the best pieces in each slot tailored to that situation correct? So that makes you new "SAS" set actually the "BiS" for the situation you are defining it for.
Ultimately anyone in this forum can figure out how to answer a question with someone asking about BiS.
Ultimately anyone in this forum can figure out how to answer a question with someone asking about BiS.
Ramuh.Austar said: »
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12620.74 59201.13 29805.15 0.23 0.62 0.15 11292.84 14050.99 51589.48 67336.85 14812.57 49343.53 33005.29 0.17 0.58 0.24 13052.44 16638.66 43463.74 55040.05
But if we add the third step doing Spiral > DK > Smite(No Impetus), it loses again.
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15233.05 34651.12 52941.91 0.16 0.42 0.41 13212.23 17388.13 30441.08 38895.42
And doing Spiral > DK > Spiral(Godhands):
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15910.88 35353.45 54972.73 0.15 0.42 0.42 13782.99 17963.72 31400.5 39590.52
Edit: Don't have Godhands skillchain bonus from AM included, which is a minor increase for the non TKx3 options
Sometimes its easy to uncode your numbers without description at all, but this time I have no idea what im looking at lol I mean I know im looking at WS and SC damage and probably % of damage distribution, but I have no idea what WS is what damage and what SC is what damage.
eliroo said: »
Except you can define a best in slot for each of those situations
Perhaps. But nobody asks for any of the situations. People just want plug and play options, BIS is an all-encompassing term. Players should move away from that model, because it usually focuses on
How many times do people say they got "Caught in their midcast/ws set"? But its "BIS". I have best FC. Best WS damage. But not best Meva. Not best PDT. Not best HP. So I died. So not BIS really.
Average DPS : Average WS : Average Skillchain
Auto Attack %: WS Damage % : Skillchain Damage %
The rest are IQRs that almost nobody cares about, just for personal information. The average WS result does not differentiate either and is all three averaged in the case of spiral > DK > smite
I haven't checked Asuran > TK > DK yet, though, to see how it stacks up.
Auto Attack %: WS Damage % : Skillchain Damage %
The rest are IQRs that almost nobody cares about, just for personal information. The average WS result does not differentiate either and is all three averaged in the case of spiral > DK > smite
I haven't checked Asuran > TK > DK yet, though, to see how it stacks up.
When people asking for BiS it's probably asking for either a piece of equipment for TP or WS that goes into the default set. Not their hybrid, not their DT and not their accuracy sets.
It's not Best in slot or best in situation but it's probably the default option to aim for when you don't have anything solid to go on.
It's not Best in slot or best in situation but it's probably the default option to aim for when you don't have anything solid to go on.
What's a "default set"?
You can have BIS pieces for a hybrid, DT, and acc set.
If someone says "BIS" what set are you talking about. lol
You can have BIS pieces for a hybrid, DT, and acc set.
If someone says "BIS" what set are you talking about. lol
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What's a "set"?
What's an "item"?
What's an "item"?
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Perhaps. But nobody asks for any of the situations
My argument is that those situations should be part of the answer though. Similarly to how I answered the question, I included in which cases I believed the Mpaca body to be best in slot. The question asked is no different than "Where are the Mpaca pieces best used?".
BiS is a pretty universal game term, its better to interpret it in the game we play than to try and remove its use.
Hes. Cylas +3 vs Mpaca Double for Counterstance.
I see that the Mpaca bod is being noted as the BiS for Counterstance. Is the +5 Counter and 8 Magic Def outweigh the 30% Counter crit hit rate?
I am also curious, should I have the Bikku Cylas on during Impetus while having Counterstance up or should I be prioritizing the Hes. Cylas or the Mpaca Doublet?
I see that the Mpaca bod is being noted as the BiS for Counterstance. Is the +5 Counter and 8 Magic Def outweigh the 30% Counter crit hit rate?
I am also curious, should I have the Bikku Cylas on during Impetus while having Counterstance up or should I be prioritizing the Hes. Cylas or the Mpaca Doublet?
Ramuh.Austar said: »
Average DPS : Average WS : Average Skillchain
Auto Attack %: WS Damage % : Skillchain Damage %
The rest are IQRs that almost nobody cares about, just for personal information. The average WS result does not differentiate either and is all three averaged in the case of spiral > DK > smite
I haven't checked Asuran > TK > DK yet, though, to see how it stacks up.
Auto Attack %: WS Damage % : Skillchain Damage %
The rest are IQRs that almost nobody cares about, just for personal information. The average WS result does not differentiate either and is all three averaged in the case of spiral > DK > smite
I haven't checked Asuran > TK > DK yet, though, to see how it stacks up.
I still don t understand how you can get such a massive lead for Shijin>DK, even when holding TP for 2nd WS. I will ignore white damage, because it would be the same. Focusing just on WS. TK>TK would do something around 50k + 63k + 38.43 = 151.5k and Shijin>DK would do around 32k + 58k + 70.76k = 160k. Shijin DK would indeed win, but I cant see that 30% or even 17% from dps numbers you posted. That being said maybe its because Im using working r20 Mpaca head?
probot85 said: »
Hes. Cylas +3 vs Mpaca Double for Counterstance.
I see that the Mpaca bod is being noted as the BiS for Counterstance. Is the +5 Counter and 8 Magic Def outweigh the 30% Counter crit hit rate?
I am also curious, should I have the Bikku Cylas on during Impetus while having Counterstance up or should I be prioritizing the Hes. Cylas or the Mpaca Doublet?
I see that the Mpaca bod is being noted as the BiS for Counterstance. Is the +5 Counter and 8 Magic Def outweigh the 30% Counter crit hit rate?
I am also curious, should I have the Bikku Cylas on during Impetus while having Counterstance up or should I be prioritizing the Hes. Cylas or the Mpaca Doublet?
MNK's Counterstance caps counter on its own, so if you want damage from counters during Impetus, then you should use Bhikku body.
SimonSes said: »
I still don t understand how you can get such a massive lead for Shijin>DK, even when holding TP for 2nd WS
The 17% is also TK x3 compared to TK x2. With Spiral > DK vs TK > TK, it's still ~15% ahead
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14454.1 31160.16 47980.18 0.18 0.41 0.41 12781.26 16038.95 28028.64 34154.49
Looking at just WS numbers:
28849.97 + 37203.04 + 37203.04 * 1.22 + 28849.97 + 28849.97 * 1.5 * 1.22 = 193086.1339
41014.42 + 41014.42 + 41014.42 * 0.5 * 1.22 + 41014.42 + 41014.42 * 0.6 * 1.22 = 178084.61164
193086 / 178084.61164 = ~8.4%, which is pretty close to the ~7.4% from full DPS result comparing TK x3 to Spiral > DK > Spiral
Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
What's a "default set"?
You can have BIS pieces for a hybrid, DT, and acc set.
If someone says "BIS" what set are you talking about. lol
You can have BIS pieces for a hybrid, DT, and acc set.
If someone says "BIS" what set are you talking about. lol
It's generally what you wear for TP when you aren't sure what you are dealing with but pretty sure you want fastest TP and damage. It's not a fodder set but it's not a hybrid set or full of accuracy.
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