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 Asura.Sechs
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By Asura.Sechs 2020-07-02 06:34:23
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What do you mean with charging VS?
If you mean 3K tp, which is by no means necessary imho, you can easily get 3K tp before engaging with Boost and Ask Sash, very quickly with the right gear.

If you meant charging Impetus I don't really see the big deal either.
Use Focus right after Impetus to get a 10% crit at start to compensate while you quickly build stacks in mere seconds.
It's not like you "need" 50 charges of Impetus for Vsmite to be good.



That said and done, I think Godhands all in all is a more versatile weapon and more staightforward to use.
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By eeternal 2020-07-02 06:40:21
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Yes, apologies i meant charging impetus, its not right or wrong but i do see some fluctuations with VS numbers, whereas RF and TK is more stable - esp with fighters - unless MA proc.

But yeah, I use both but in shorter zerg fights and given my party composition, I prefer GH, longer fights Impetus VS then GHs, and if I only can afford 1 weapon, I would GH
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By SimonSes 2020-07-02 07:16:16
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eeternal said: »
I used TK with footwork and opt to RF without, the tp was around 1800, and with tact roll, the tp gain is just fast. For the sets, it doesn't really differ than what was posted earlier, focusing on Ken+1 multiattack.

I actually put that in sheet and VS still pulls ahead a little, but I think sheet might indeed take avg Impetus value since first hit, so for 1st minute of the zerg going with TK spam with Footwork might be better (It's 12490 DPS on sheet, while VS with Veret is 12860). Ofc still use Impetus for that first minute with Footwork and after Footwork is gone, just switch to Veret I guess (I dont think switching weapon reset Impetus stacks?). Raging Fists spam is much lower DPS compered to Tornado Kick with Footwork or VS with Veret. On sheet DPS with Raging drops to 10244, while VS Veret even with AM1 is at 12049.

Asura.Sechs said: »
Use Focus right after Impetus to get a 10% crit at start

20% :P
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By eeternal 2020-07-02 07:26:53
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Whats VS without impetus like? 8000ish? so RF > VS with no impetus, is it correct? because I do get higher numbers on RF vs no impetus VS
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By SimonSes 2020-07-02 07:40:38
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eeternal said: »
Whats VS without impetus like? 8000ish? so RF > VS with no impetus, is it correct? because I do get higher numbers on RF vs no impetus VS

8755 with AM1 spamming VS, while Raging Fists 9400 when you WS around 1900. So for raw damage GH with RF without Impetus indeed wins, so if fight is 5min or longer the best should be start with Impetus Veret, then switch to GH Footwork TK and then GH RF like you do. For 3 min (and less) fights start with Impetus Footwork GH Tornados, then after Footwork is down, switch to Veret.
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By eeternal 2020-07-02 07:42:30
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Makes total sense but I was just eyeballing.. thank you for the confirmation. I don't know the answer, do you lose stacks after weapon change?
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By SimonSes 2020-07-02 07:57:16
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eeternal said: »
Makes total sense but I was just eyeballing.. thank you for the confirmation. I don't know the answer, do you lose stacks after weapon change?

Just tested, you dont lose stacks. I swapped weapons several times and bonus is still there (tested by checking attack with Bhikku body +1).
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By eeternal 2020-07-02 08:08:45
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ur the best Simon <33
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By eeternal 2020-07-26 19:18:22
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This was VD buffs were SV HM Minuet 5 and 4 and Mad.. Geo was bolster Fury only.. Chaos Sam Fighters.. very interesting I honestly switched to GH the entire farm runs, was getting 45k-99k..



Don't laugh but I been thinking of Mythic for the MA proc.. Anyone tested DK with that? Would be very interesting Simon, what do you think?

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By Asura.Bippin 2020-07-27 11:27:11
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No image by the way
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By Bahamut.Khelek 2020-07-28 08:18:20
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I've not played in a couple of years and decided to check in on things. While doing so I'm trying to recall how to properly calculate delay cap for monk, maybe y'all can help; Would I be correct in saying that in order to reach the 80% cap using godhands, one would need +24 martial arts from gear (assuming job is mastered)? And only +3 martial arts if using vere? (also assuming magic and gear haste are both capped ofc)

(steps taken to calculate were:
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480 + 81 = 561 delay
561 x 0,2 = 112,2
112,2 / 0,3215 = 348

561-348 = 213 (210 of which is covered by job points))
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By Ramuh.Austar 2020-07-28 08:38:51
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(480 + 81) * 0.2 = (270 + 81 - x) * (1024 - 256 - 448) / 1024

Vere doesn't need any martial arts with capped magic haste.
Godhands needs 12-13
(480 + 138) * 0.2 = (270 + 138 - x) * (1024 - 256 - 448) / 1024
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By Ragnarok.Galiber 2020-07-28 08:49:32
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With GH I usually have Mache Earring +1 Instead of Brutal with impetus down, while just Bhikku Cyclas +1 while up. What do you guys use? Do you even bother with that last 6/7 MA?

Technically you would use Veret with IMP up so who cares, and GH with down so Mache +1, but I'm still lazy and don't wanna face Chlroris :3
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By Bahamut.Khelek 2020-07-28 09:13:01
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Sweet, thanks! seems I had the right idea, but typo'd at some point and used 0,3215 instead of 0,3125 lol.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2020-07-28 18:30:00
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doing it your way gets the opposite reciprocal, though. you get 8.something for vere when you are actually 8.something over the delay cap, not the other way around and godhands gives you -12.something when you still require the 12.something to cap, just something to keep in mind.
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By huttburt<3 2020-07-31 14:48:15
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eeternal said: »
This was VD buffs were SV HM Minuet 5 and 4 and Mad.. Geo was bolster Fury only.. Chaos Sam Fighters.. very interesting I honestly switched to GH the entire farm runs, was getting 45k-99k..



Don't laugh but I been thinking of Mythic for the MA proc.. Anyone tested DK with that? Would be very interesting Simon, what do you think?

Fixed image, thank you Bip

What's your TK set?

Thanks.
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By SimonSes 2020-07-31 15:11:21
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eeternal said: »
This was VD buffs were SV HM Minuet 5 and 4 and Mad.. Geo was bolster Fury only.. Chaos Sam Fighters.. very interesting I honestly switched to GH the entire farm runs, was getting 45k-99k..



Don't laugh but I been thinking of Mythic for the MA proc.. Anyone tested DK with that? Would be very interesting Simon, what do you think?

Fixed image, thank you Bip

I missed that sorry.

I mean this is what you can expect really from TK with MA proc at attack cap. In sheet with fighter's roll and holding TP it shows 71k avg during Footwork.

Also in spreadsheet, when you go to WS section where it simulates I think 500 WSs to get some avg, you can even see that 8hit Tornado (triple+double attack or more capped at 8) would do like 127k damage if not the damage cap.

As for Mythic, doing TK at 500TP higher than Godhands would obviously result in better avg and more frequent spike damage, but overall dps will fall down slightly (less without Fighter's roll, but even then GH has some small lead).
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By eeternal 2020-07-31 18:23:04
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Thanks dude.. Don't you think tp gain + frequency is more superior? like in 3-5 minutes fights, it would be like 200 ws vs 150 (fake numbers but an example), which spreadsheet doesn't account for?

I know that making a mythic for that might not be worth it, but when I was doing Dynamis, outside footwork, RF was doing surprising well (65k+ on volts with fighter's roll).. so thought of discussing if its worth or not, ill finish Mythic GK for hybrid ws then consider h2h and can do testing if needed. Thank you
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By SimonSes 2020-07-31 18:31:15
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Spreadsheet count in ws frequency. The problem is mythic wont be that much ahead.
1. Monk has high triple attack rate in gear
2. Mythic AM3 only works for one hand
3. Godhands has 10 store tp and store tp improve tp gain from both punches and kicks, while multihit only from punches.
4. WS frequency with GH will be higher because optimal ws threshold to fire off with GH is around 1500tp, while with mythic its 2000.
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By eeternal 2020-07-31 18:47:03
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totally forgot about TA on ken which diminishes AM3 ; ; thanks for the insight <3
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By Asura.Friedrik 2020-07-31 20:25:34
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Glanz is the ultimate lockstyle though, and looking cool is key
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By bonz 2020-08-06 10:39:13
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eeternal said: »
Lately, I have been a fan of zerging with GHs.. with 4 rolls, TK and RF is devastating, no VS can do that





buffs were: March x2.. Mad x1 .. Dark Carol x1 (Kyou) | Sam,Chas,Fighters,Tact| Bolster Fury Frailty | Dia 2

I didn't even have Minuet... rest of TK was doing 55-67k. When I added fighters roll, things turned around significantly, just thought of sharing


mind posting your RF and TK set ? thanks in advance
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By eeternal 2020-08-07 16:20:33
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Not the best, but basically most of it is Ken+1 for TA proc, Cape is STR 30.. WS DMG 10%, Att/Acc.

Fixed: Godhands instead of vere
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