IiPunch - Monk Guide

Man even without the update GEO looks to have found a home for sure to bad RUN seems like a another red headed step child..

Obviously you have 0 Tojil experience.
If you don't stun him you will be weak the entire time. The reason you use Formless is to kill him before Stuns start resisting. The first 25% he takes 50% Melee damage.


With my set I posted I ended up at 93% ACC. (4/8 H2H merits)

Also regarding the raptor, when people say it "goes apeshit" what they mean is that it gets a boost to triple attack rate (and possibly speed?) any time magic damage is dealt to it. It's not really noticeable or unmanageable if it's not happening very often (so like, maintaining Dia probably won't cause any problems), but if someone decides Endark is an important part of their damage dealing strategy it's going to be rather unfortunate.

I seen that sucker take out a group of mnks so fast my head spun like a top maybe at the same time got the zone buff not sure what the alliance was dead in quick work. Been working on a low man strategy for taking out the first 3 NMS and that raptor can be a pain in the arse.

Yeah, it's really not worth sticking debuffs on the Raptor unless you went wholehog and debuffed it to the point where it couldn't really do much.

When it has debuffs on it is very, very easy to be killed by triple attack after a TP move. I full-time hybrid gear for him and keep seigan/third eye up full time and have still been dropped on several occasions when someone decides to debuff him. Granted a DRK has lower HP than a MNK but his potential output isn't to be sniffed at when debuffed.


Also what Taint said in regards to the stuns on Tojil. If Lahar gets off then you're weakened (it's an add effect, not from dying) which drastically lowers your DPS. His damage output really isn't that bad until he gets weakness off either.

There is no evidence between a debuff and the triple attack rate of the raptor nm. The only evidence is that he attacks a lot harder for the first 10%.

I'm not certain if it's magic damage/debuffs that causes the increased attack speed/triple attack (although it does line up with our experience) but I can definitely say that he displays that behavior beyond the first 10%.

I wish someone could then explain how the sucker goes super saiyan and long after it was under 90%. Been attempting this sucker low man a few times in the fracture my peeps need more accuracy for the reals. Seems we start fine and then bam it goes insane we tried with debuffs and next fight we are going completely debuff free to see any difference.

Usually we notice it going crazy when we have people skillchaining on accident, when we awitched over to all mnk we no longer had skillchains and raptor rolled over.

We only have mnks doing SS on it so no skill chains at all but the mfer still has in the short span of 30 seconds killed three of our mnks one and two shotting ppl.

Rampage is pretty frequent in our setup because I Drakesbane some Light and doesn't afraid of anything

Constant free stunning makes it pretty manageable, though

Was doing experimenting with Asuran Fists inside the fracture after some posts here and on BG mentioned it.

Don't sleep on this WS. If you're not accuracy capped, like on Tojil or the Raptor, or perhaps in the Ceizak fracture this very well seems to come out ahead of Shijin Spiral in situations when attack is high or capped.

Shijin always performs better if attack is lower. Use Shijin if you can't use Berserk and don't have songs/rolls, for example.

Should also obviously be using Shijin if your accuracy is capped, no question about it.

Gearsets are pretty simple, as they've always been; just stack accuracy and attack.

I can't think of something better than this:

ItemSet 303719

* Manibozho legs/boots R15 STR path. Tantra Gaiters +2 better until around Rank 6.

a mid-grade set:

ItemSet 303767

Just to point out that asuran can't DA, TA or QA, so atheling can be replaced by vespid mantle (in your absolute ideal set).

Would also replace tantra tathlum with pot. bomblet and spiral ring with mars ring because asuran mods are 10% which..suck. Acc/attack all the way!

Omo. sune-ate beat tantra gaiters unless you need the acc, and tenryu +1 beat omo.

Not sure how chocaliztli would fair against whirlpool mask, depends on target vit for fSTR. Also possibly is tenryu +1.

Consider dauntless mantle for high eva stuff.

Dagaz ring perhaps beats mars if you are capped on acc. Technically gaiardas ring would be top with enchantment active.

Myrmex might edge melee gloves depending on target eva and vit.

Mantanca harness if you don't need the acc.

Prosilio belt absolutely.

Edit: In hindsight, fairly sure portus ring would be the #1 paired with strigoi or mars. 5 h2h skill is 5atk/4.5acc and possibly another skill tier. 5 vit is a possible further WSC tier.

Saw a JP on my server using this and it seemed like it might be a solid idea for mobs you need acc on assuming you can live w/ the loss of a PDT ring in defensive sets.



I couldn't find anything about duration so i'm out testing it now.

Edit: 30 minute duration

Do you lose the effect if you swap it in and out.

You do.

Vespid mantle, mars ring - absolutely

Matanca - Probably on lower evasion stuff, but since the only reason you use this over Shijin Spiral is typically for high evasion mobs, I have to stick with Tantra here.

Pot bomblet - only caveat I had here is that it's all mods and a decent amount of accuracy. I guess it would be better for fodder.

Omodaka - Not changing this, I intentionally left salvage2 stuff out of the mid set. In the high set, it's not better than 15'd Mani

Whirlpool - probably. I forgot it had 25 ATK on it.

Myrmex - another lower accuracy piece, even then I'm not sure.

Prosilio - I can't justify this. Caudata is only a 10 attack loss and gains the additional VIT (albeit small) mod plus 10 WS accuracy.

Overall, I'm making adjustments regardless. is Vespid Mantle from Muyginwa?

Shijin is getting acc from the dex since you will stack dex. Even more in the future. There is no way asuran fists will perform better. Beside against the highly evasive mobs the gear will basically be the same for both WS, but since manibozho gear is coming with dex well... shijin it is. For pre boss delve madrigals and sushi will cap you so who cares.


edit : actually I'm too used to being supported by 2 DDB/GH bards, but I remember that acc on the raptor was ***w/o GH songs. Other mobs are ok.

This is what i got for Monk:


Shijin Spiral:

ItemSet 295023

Victory Smite:

ItemSet 298896

not the best but is what I have so far (working on better.) but any thoughts on how to improve more those WS ?

Have you done the math on this? or is it just 'what i think' ?

I haven't done any math, but from the little testing i've done, asuran seems to be close or beating shijin in some cases. I kinda hoped someone had the math behind the two WS's and could tell us exactly what differences are and such, because the variance can be so huge with missing hits, getting extra hits, etc.

Asuran is a more consistent WS when you don't have the benefit of having Hunters, 2x Madrigal, and Sushi/Pizza on top of it.

The whole point is that if you're fighting Raptor or Tojil and you don't have the absolute best possible buff scenario, and are thus around 60-70% WS accuracy, Asuran is most likely going to perform better.

And in delve farming groups, it lets you either:

* RCB instead of Sushi/Pizza
* March/Minuet instead of Madrigal, Fighters/Chaos instead of Hunters/Chaos or Tacticians instead of Fighters.. etc

Let me reiterate: I'm not claiming this is beating Shijin outright, that's not true at all.

It should only perform better in specific situations on specific mobs. Also in Salvage when Pathos restricted, but that's a ridiculous niche.

Vespid is indeed from Muyginwa.

Eh good point on omo.

Prosilio is potentialy another point of fSTR and 11.5 attack difference. That said, I did sort of miss the point that asuran was a low acc situation WS, so acc > most things. Caudata is fine!

If you want acc in ammo, theres the +15 tathlum (name evades me atm)?

How could changing a ws allow you to remove 70-80 acc on your gearsets idk. Rcb is dumb in delve whatever job you are.

If you're not in that situation where you have your cor/bard buffs you're either already dead and in rez, or should be kicking your support in the nuts anyway. That should only be happening on eft/kurma dispel crap (which can be stunned and prevented too...hi support!) and hitting those shouldn't be an issue anyway.

Sorry for the "let me google that for you" question but I'm having trouble finding a straight answer. If I'm understanding correctly, the augment on Melee Cyclas +2 grants:

1. extended Formless Strikes duration (only needs to be worn on activation)

AND

2. increased Formless damage % based on merits (only works while it is equipped)

Is this correct?

From what I understand, the original augment was a boost to Formless damage, but it got ninja changed to increase duration instead.

OK, that explains the BG thread where people were talking about it increasing damage yet it not being listed in the wiki. Thanks!

Since Hundred Fists is used on Tojil, could anyone come up with a decent Hundred Fists set for that fight? The spreadsheet doesn't seem to handle that unless I am missing a drop down option on there somewhere.

One of the main things I would be curious about is if Tantra Cyclas +2 would beat out Thaumas Coat, since it reduces delay and adds accuracy/crit dmg boosts to each hit.

there is a hundred fist option in the setup tab. Due acc issues there is not much else to use than the standard delve tp gear :

honed tathlum
Usukane +1
Ziel
bladeborn
steelflash
Thaumas
Tenryu +1 Aug
Mars
Epona
letalis
Anguinus
Manibozho
Usukane +1

That's with madrigals x 2 and sushi, which caps you without being overkill on acc under the assumption that the boss has 830 eva (100 above the raptor).

edit : depending on acc you will get more benefits from manibozho head/body.

That set puts me just below ACC cap on Tojil.