For The Shinies! A Guide For Thief

There's Feint, madrigal, food, etc. So it (can) be viable.

Typically Iziikoh though. The context it was brought up in was, is Sandung good, the answer being no, because, quote.

Here's everything you need to know.
Yes, get a Mandau.
Rudra's EVERYTHING.
Wear DEX+ > anything else. SA/TA/Unstacked.
Never use Sandung.
If you're going to use THF don't make us look bad.

Use Sandung for dyna/salvage


Actually, I'd say we take a second look at the Sandung since the first hit of Rudra does so much more than it did before, especially if the new trend is to hold til 1750TP.

I main hand sandung with oat atoyac for all Gil farming content.

Is that for you or me?
Or are you suggesting a extremely minor boost in dps on extreamly weak content/some that needs procing over a higher proc rate increase in th makes you a better thf?

Don't you cap Treasure Hunter by using Plunderer's Hands 119 and Empy feet +2 (or Chaac Belt)? I tend to use Izhiikoh/Atoyac for dynamis and other lower content, and use Izhiikoh/Sabebus for high tier stuff. Sandung is only good if you don't have Vajra/Mandau/Izhiikoh/Sabebus/Atoyac and can't cap TH with equipment.

Also don't underestimate the Atoyac. OAT is super TP build, and more TP = More Rudra's = Quicker kills.

I use Oynos Knife when I am on my own, this randomly gives you Haste which goes really well with Atoyac and Haste Samba.

Is it just me or didn't se say having th gear on while tping will give you faster increases in th?

You say that as if TH gear had any bearing whatsoever on drops. The proc rate WILL go up if you tp in TH gear.

You're also extremely stupid if you do this. TH1 < TH2 < TH3=TH4=TH5=TH6=TH7=TH8=TH9=TH10=TH11=TH12

Put it on, hit it, take it OFF, and throw away Sandung.

There is a cap, but it was never proven that stacking TH to the absolute max (past the cap they told us) would help. I assume that it doesn't help, because that's the whole point in a cap after all. If you want to increase your TH effectiveness faster, you can a) wear +4 TH on your gear to keep it capped, b) use more sneak attack/trick attack, c) get a feint augment on your plunderer's legs and combine that with Bully and Sneak Attack, almost guaranteed increase to effectiveness.

The way some people are looking at it would assume that everyone makes a Treasure Hunter set including Sandung, Thief's Knife, Chaac Belt, Empy Feet, and the Relic Hands 119, and that we ain't allowed to wear anything else EVER. Because all people want is TH, so you would be wrong to take these outright? Wrong! Can you see why SE brought the cap out? It was so people didn't need to use Sandung and Thief's Knife anymore. If you are a THF stacking Treasure Hunter past the cap, you are wasting your damage potential, and that is just sad, because THF is killer.

No more stupid than doing a few extra digits of damage on a mob that dies just as fast.
Guess what doing 10500 damage instead of 10200 damage on a mob that has 7k hip is making me a bad thf and I shouldn't equip a useful stat to increase my drops like you say.

Patentia sash is a thing and will make up for whatever dps loss it is to use the Sandung

I proc mobs and kill them as fast as possible in Dynamis.

I can't understand why anyone would sit there meleeing to proc TH after a mob is staggered. Especially with TH gear. A quick tag is all you need.

Quick question, just how much currency do you farm with a "full time TH" setup?

Square Enix brought the cap out so we didn't need to use Thief's Knife anymore .. but now people who really don't need Sandung continue to use it when they could be using a much better dagger and still cap Treasure Hunter. Sandung is a good dagger, but I wouldn't use it over Atoyac or Sabebus depending on what I'm fighting. Shame too, because I like the Sandung model, it looks cool, but it's meant for people who can't cap Treasure Hunter with equipment.

No, it won't. and 15 Dex from izii/12 dex from atoyac is superior to 5% WSD.

Josiah, you always brighten my day. Usually cause Neo is hot lol. But the comments too.

Info near bottom about increasing th with wearing more th after landing a capped th8
And I usually get 500 - 600 average

I have worked on my dynamis THF for a long time, and my latest run I pulled in 603 singles. I equip the hands 119 and Empy +2 when I hit the mob, then it doesn't matter, because getting TH effectiveness ... yeah, you might get it up to 8, but most of the time you won't. So just tag TH on it, stagger it, kill, move on.

Looks outdated to me.

I was hoping someone who full times would answer. I only tag TH as well, that's a little more than what I usually pull.

But now of course he's gonna say hurhur I get 600 singles too.

Called it.

I got 817 the last time I went, tagging. (all single, no 100). Truesolo.

I think the point he was trying to make is the effectiveness of TH past 3 tapers off drastically. Like hundredths of a percent increase in drop rates. Just put 8 on it and tell people you tried your best. If it goes to 9 super, but it doesn't change anything.

I'm not saying I do it any differenty for me I hit it with th8 then kill but while killing I have 1 more th than u for a small chance at a bigger increase. it makes no difference atall in kill speed when the mobs are so weak unlike valli thinks.
So to call me a bad thf for it is stupid.

I didn't say you're bad for thinking the kill speed mattered.

You're bad for OWNING a Sandung at all. Sorry, for not being clear.

Ok let me try to explain this. If you are say.. fighting King Behemoth, you want to get its effectiveness up, so you could wear THF relic hands 119 and Chaac Belt/Empy Feet +2 full time. This would keep you at the cap and give you the best chance of increasing it. Adding more (thiefs knife/sandung) would do nothing. If you really wanted to, you could equip low level daggers and capped treasure hunter so it doesn't die too fast.

If you start the fight and hit it with Hands & Belt/Feet, THEN you switch into regular TP gear, no sandung, no thiefs knife, just standard treasure hunter, it will take you longer to get effectiveness up.

Not sure if I can explain it any clearer.

I wouldn't say that people are bad for having one (because I had one and used it for a while). Not everyone has done abyssea, delve II, and got a Relic Hand 119. Sandung is great if you can't cap, and it's not a bad DPS dagger, but there is better out there if you can work for it.

Well I'm going to go dyna/salvage full timing TH gear, you can go do your thing.

And no, the 15/12dex means next to nothing. The only thing that combo has going for it is the oat.

The OAT is superior. If I could get away with it in high content I would, but accuracy becomes an issue. Dynamis is not about full timing TH, it is about tagging TH, staggering the mob, and then killing it ASAP. Full timing TH would lower your TP (most important) and WS damage, meaning you kill slower and get less.

Yes, it actually is, how about you actually spreadsheet it instead of being ignorant.