Papa John's Boycott

Well that's socialism and we are definitely always going to disagree.

You apparently have no idea how many people still need a job, how many have been just been fired due to rising costs in keeping AMERICAN people employed, and how many still live on the streets who don't participate in the census. But that's okay, keep living your fantasy life. There will be people to bail you out when you get into trouble later!

You are just trolling me now. Stop.

So many tears. It's amazing. And people think the anti-Obama people are crying lol.

Seriously. I'll be sure to order enough from them to make up for their "losses" from a few people too incompetent to understand how business works.

Expenses go up.
Either prices go up, or wages go down, or people get laid off.

Welcome to America.

God I'm sick of people whining and crying over stupid ***. When you actually are out there working for the betterment of your community be it city, state, or country, then you can complain about how frustrating it can be. Until then, get off your self-righteous soap boxes.

There's a difference between laying off people because expenses go up, and politicizing a layoff. By politicizing the layoff, they chose to make a public statement, and you're not required to agree with that statement.

Papa John's has the right to layoff people because they think it'll help their stock price. They even have the right to make it a political issue, if they so choose.

People don't have to accept Papa John's business tactics or stances, they have the right to not buy their products.

Welcome to America.

oh I know all too well how many people are unemployed and live on the street the problem isnt people looking for free hand outs. The problem is there are just not enough jobs. I am currently looking for a job myself and unable to find one no matter where I am applying to and I apply all over no matter the job.

... lol you really should stop trolling so much on these forums. Seriously one someone counters ANYTHING you say you jump to certain answers and they are always predictable.

You (incorrectly) assume that none of us are.

I'm torn on this. While Papa John's CEO is a tremendous ***, and I'd like to not give him another dime of my money, it's standard practice for employers to either:

-hire employees part-time, and make them work full-time hours
-hire temps, since they don't want to spend the extra couple of dollars an hour that it takes to give someone benefits

You can see this all over. A lot of grocery stores and Walmart put in automated checkouts, and reduced cashiers to part-time, that's an obvious example. The root of this, like Pleebo said, is that in the US, health care comes through your employer. Until we move to a true universal health care system, this will continue to be a problem.

Back to the OP- I guess I'll go ahead and boycott Papa John's. While it's SOP to pull this ***, by politicizing it, when the motive is always just keeping money for shareholders and upper management, they've lost my business for good.

Well, at least doing this, itll open up a few thousand positions within papa johns to fill in the hours cut. So in essence, obamacare just created a ton of jobs!

I love how you guys blame obamacare when all it would cost this guy is either 11 cents a pizza or he could increase his pizza to 11 cents more.

What a fascinating read. I think this is easily one of the best political threads I've read on FFXIAH.

And no BS, no sarcasm-- for a Canadian, Bloodrose knows way more about American economics than Americans themselves. I'm impressed.

Why should he? Did you put your life into creating a billion dollor company? It's his money to spend and save however he choose's and he worked hard for that right. Quit hatin cause he has more money then you... Get ambition and get where he's at then talk.

Can't get anywhere if no one is hiring. The fact of the matter is this will hurt his business more than if he had just given the people health care and increased his price. Also its the employees that make him money as well as the customers Business owners need to realize this.

It's also our right to call him a spoiled, useless ***when he politicizes laying off people that do his labor over the fact that he's being dragged into the 21st century, kicking and screaming, and doesn't want to adapt.

I welcome the .11$ price hike. *** it, raise it a 1$ if it means you treat your workers more humane.

I'm not hating him because he has more money. I'm hating him because he stuck his neck out, whined over a non-issue, and showed his colors as a lazy business man.

And I'm not even pro-mandatory-insurance. I hate the whole thing.

I appreciate the compliment. Unfortunately, it's not just American Economics, when it has a residual impact on Canadian Economics. Both economies are tied very close together. It's a fundamental understanding of business vs bad business vs good business.

Investing in employees is most notably the best way to invest in your company. 1 hour of training really isn't training at all. Which is why it's more often referred to as orientation. Although not as highly detailed, it does take considerable skill to do things correctly and consistently. It also takes considerable skill to pass along this knowledge in a manner that the trainees can understand individually, since different people learn differently, and at different rates.

A small investment can often have unexpectedly large payoffs. There's the right way, the wrong way, and then there's the boss's way. One of the biggest payoffs to investing in your employees, is that it shows in the quality of the food they produce, even if they start off unskilled, they tend to develop those skills and attitudes that help a business thrive by inticing customers to buy their product or service.

These are basic economic facts for anyone who is 1. looking to start a business, 2. is already an established small or large business, and 3. is looking to increase revenue to pay their employees more, and pocket more for themselves.

The "you're just jealous" response, how quaint. Lucky for you, I don't get jealous of people I know because the grass isn't always quite greener on the other side. What is up for discussion is some basic decency from my fellow human beings. Lowbie retail jobs are already pretty ***and to make it worse for these people because you're guy didn't get in the White House is just excessive cruelty to your employees.

What's also amusing is Papa John's mission statement.

Reminds me of Walmart's 3 Basic Beliefs they tell you when you start orientation:
• Respect for the Individual
• Service to our Customers
• Striving for Excellence

...Sam Walton shouldn't have died. D:

how many times did we hit the bootstrap myth while I napped?

I don't feel the need to justify poor business decisions that *** over employees because the heads don't want to comply with laws.

It's ridiculous.

How was Obamacare a poor business decision made by Papa John's?

How many thousands of jobs still exist because of this pure evil rich man?

Choosing to cut peoples hours instead of doing one of multiple things is his fault. He could of just as easily done 1 of many things.

1. Take that 11 cents extra out of people's pay.
2. Raised the prices of pizza by 11 cents or 1 dollar.
3. Taken just the hit of 11 cents per pizza.

Now instead of doing 1 of those very simple things he decides to be an *** and makes it so everyone gets less hours no health insurance and tries to blame obama for it.

The jobs are getting progressively worse instead of better simply because one guy feels that his employees are expendable resources that can be moved around like pawns to make a political statement. What's interesting is that this will cost the company in the long run rather than save money.

Nope because of Obamacare these people will not be left without health insurance. They will get the government health insurance and all of us will pay for it instead.

And then the headline would just be, "Papa John's CEO cuts employees pay cuz Obamacare" and people would be all angry and fighting on the internet.

And really, "poor business decision" and "was his fault" are pretty strong. Obviously there is some backlash... on the other hand, he oversees a chain of over 3,000 locations. And while past performance does not guarantee future success, it's not as if it's some random dude making these business decisions.

Or he could have just stated that due to health insurance increases he is gonna have to give people a small pay cut. a couple bucks off a paycheck for health insurance is normal for a lot of companies. So why would it be a big deal.

Also Amandarius I am done replying to anything you bother to say anymore since you always give the same answers.

I'd say that it might. But really, if anyone is so sure that this is going to hurt them, why not swoop in and save the company millions and millions of dollars, become a PR hero and minor celebrity, while at the same time improving the lives of all of these employees?

I'm gonna guess, again, that more thought and forecasting and planning by lots of really smart people went into this, and it's not some guy that's pissed off about Obamacare trying to give the world the finger.

You make it seem like Papa Johns couldn't spin the higher prices as investing in America, simultaneously boosting their image and getting an upsurge in profits from people passing the good news around and patronizing them over their competitors.

so the same thing if they didn't have insurance and went to the ER, and couldn't pay the bills anyways?

People wanted better, regulated health care but didn't want their taxes raised -- guess what people that money is coming from somewhere. You know damn well it's not going to come from higher up in our government, it's going to come from the workers and the employers pockets now.

If they raise the price of a pizza, they are likely to lose business to competitors -- just like gas stations on every corner doing the penny fight each day with each other. The slight raise in pizza price can turn out to be much worse for a company than cutting a few employees or their hours.

In the end, every company and owner is in it for themselves -- why else would they be in business? Not many owners are going to be there just for the customers. Sam Walton could say that because he already had one of the richest empires on the market. His store could close shop, ever employee could lose their job, and his entire family and grandchildren are still set for life.

Just what we need to do now -- boycott Papa Johns so more employees lose their jobs! Smart thinking.

Just remember, you or the people you voted into office voted for Ombamacare. The nation has spoken through their leaders and leadership whom they voted for.

lol. OK for you Obamacare supporters. Wasn't the entire purpose of Obamacare to guarantee that everyone had health insurance? Isn't that the entire point of the law?