Bst Th1 Pet Gimp In Dynamis, Big Difference?

Me.

LOL I guess I should have clarified, the ones I see are usually teamed up with either another bst or a thf these days. I am not seeing as many solo bsts anymore. Even when they are swarming the EP and I mean pulling the 1/2 to the whole camp, they are teamed up these days. I have been shocked when I do the /sea all and notice that very few are solo.

Not everybody has Mandau (yet) :p

I went in last night to Bubu and didnt see much of a difference, but I ended up leaving early since I had two parties taking up crawlers and birds at one point, plus the two other bst soloers on birds which made it rather annoying..had 4 people voke the bird that popped next to me all at once at one point.

Although I must say, it was nice when I initially /sea'd the zone and didnt see a single bst in there already for once (two others entered right after me though) and even those two that came in looked decently geared. It was like magic, the perle bsts that jumped on the bandwagon have the 'nerf' come in and they immediately find something else.

o.O Used to be useful?

Dusk+1

Are very purple.

i bet a relic bst can kill as fast or even faster as a relic thf....

It is a lot easier for a avg bst to kill faster than a avg dancer in dynamis. Falcor kills EP before a lot of dnc or thiefs can kill theirs. Then you add in the players damage with 3k ruinators I can't see how the statement is accurate. An avg dance thf are still only putting out 1 to 2k tops that I have seen.

Not really sure what the "average Dancer" is. Dancer's should be self scing darkness so the total sc is a lot even if you don't have Rudra's Storm. I do 3-5k Mercy Stroke on DCs. I didn't know ruinator did 3k, that's pretty cool, but I'm willing to bet dancers still keep up.

Mandau thf? If not there's no way you can kill faster.

Don't forget THF gets to SA every mob he procs. It speeds THF way up to be able to do that solo. Also, Exenterator is a hell of a WS.

Using Yuly after update, I got 193 coins in Buburimu with moderate competition, 240 coins in Valkurm with light competition. Average is 220+ coins before update. So the nerf doesn't affect BST significantly, at least for farming dynamis. Kill speed is more important.

I tried magic proc once with foot kick spam once, but magic proc rate is just reallllly low, IMO isn't worth it(not faster than JA proc with competition). It's probably ok if you change camp early and start procing right before changing to JA.

Other than that BLU kills incredibly fast on EP with big spells and one shot darkness SC, can get TH2 with TH sash+TH job trait too. Also able to one shot TE statu with Dark orb or heavy strike. Hard to imagine other job kills faster than BLU tbh.

blu/dnc is the way to go for kill speed.

Wouldn't proc speed come into play where most of this is coming from?

I'd agree with thf and dnc being able to proc faster, lower delays higher tp yields (possibly) I haven't really put any thought into (Math) the delay on job abilities vs tp gain rate for jobs vs others
+ survavibility on certain monster types.

But I'd say that may be where your faster kill rates are coming from.
I really don't see how a bst is killing stuff slower on EP mobs than a mandau thf.

Here's a hint they don't have Mandau or Thwashtar's... But a pearl bst can do 3k ws and hardly ever have to heal themselves

THF and BST are comparable as far as proc'ing goes. DNC is the superior at JA proc'ing. BST is limited by proc'ing, not output.

Pretty much this. BLU/DNC with treasure hunter and TH sash can achieve higher TH than BST. I don't even know why DNC and THF are being discussed? BLU can obviously kill faster than all three jobs so what exactly is up for debate here?

Edit: people still kill EP mobs?

*does Dyna run before waves of full pink blu/dncs come rushing in*

ITT: We only discuss the best and everything else can go die.

This.

The only things I have seen killing faster than my gimp BSTs when procing upon claim and starting to damage at the same time was a team of BST + THF or a way better geared BST. Everything else is always 10-30% behind. And that's using Yuly, which isn't the best damage dealer out there.

Actually, serious now: I'm curious what your average yield is.

Sounds about right. The only jobs comparable to kill speed i've seen when competing is blue. vere mnks, masa sams, all fall behind. But at least blue can kill ***as fast as i can.

The difference is, how long does it take blue to find all the TE. 5 minutes normally, 10 if competition on them as bst.

Blue lacking widescan, i would guess 10-20 minutes is spent? Even more if peoples zoned right after you. Running side to side of the map to find that 20 minute.

As for the nerf. Lol, I average slightly less than before. Nothing to write mom about.

Me and a friend were talkin about tryin duo - empy brd w/ thf. maybe well change that to blue :D

In term of TE finding and killing, BST has advantage as links are a non-issue and pet kill them just too fast. Everything else isn't exclusive to BST, between apradar and all.

Also, Widescan or not, you can be completely destroyed in Buburimu for example if people keep chaining the TE at both ends of the Dyna and that's not job dependant.

Not everyone uses 3rd party tools. Lets say for a player who doesn't use that ***. How long it would take to find the TE.

I watch entrance of the zone for 10 minutes. I know there will be no competition for my 20m when i enter. Regardless if some1 enters after me, i'll get it 1st. Without widescan, someone could enter right after you, and get to it before you. Beginning the chain u just described.

Every job is limited by proc'ing, obviously. Assuming you go 1/1 on a proc, a blu is going to kill the fastest. If they have 100 tp, thats a wrap on this debate, every mob is oneshottable. And they can keep the bsts in line. You can keep claim on 2 against a thf or dnc, not so much a blu. I've been trying to be nicer at the mandy/bunnys and crabs, barring the rly stupid people that keeping holding and proc'ing 3-4 at once, but the ravens are unacceptable. Its a shitty camp, so if someone is holding 2-3, at least one of those is mine.

It's coo', I use Ocelot Gloves too!

In my Exen set because I don't yet have anything better. :B

To be completely honest, I do not use third party tools yet I do not use Widescan either. Never stopped me from getting TE #5 in seconds on SAM/WAR-DNC, same thing.

So for players who do not use this kind of things yet have a functioning brain, it's all the same. As soon as you know the camp, that's all you need to know in order to be efficient. Third party tools just push it further, but are not needed, I'll agree on this.

The holding part is another story. I already gave my point of view on this in a previous thread and, in my opinion, anyone trying to talk about this should take a break from Dynamis, get some fresh air and then understand that it's not serious business and this kind of thing shouldn't even cross your mind.

There is no need to give any excuse to do so and at the same time, there is no need not to do so.

I haven't seen any BLU solo in Dynamis, I only see the same guy with his group. His BLU seems to be decently geared yet his kill speed is absolutely nothing to write home about. I'm not saying BLU isn't the fastest, just that average BLU vs average BST, which is what most of us/people are going to be (let's get real a second), BLU is a complete waste of time in Dynamis.

Also, if you look at OP, I don't think he gives a flying *** about BLU to begin with, and even less so if you need any kind of "good gear". BST ***all over the other options given, right off the bat, full perle, period.