Just did a 36man run, on Hall of An
SMNx15, CORx1 BRDx2 - 1st ally
PLDx4, WHMx3 RDMx1, CORx1, BRDx2, WARx1, DRKx1, BSTx3
1 PLD on behemoth, 1 PLD on Wyrm, SMN/BST zerg turtle, took about 10-15min to kill Turtle. Went for Wyrm next due to hate reset problems. timed out before killing Wyrm since it took to the sky.
Heavenly Strike does 1-2k on Turtle, Chaotic Strike does about 1k to Wyrm, Shock Squall doesnt get resisted, Predator Claws does 1.5k+ on Behemoth.
Legion
Legion
Not enough dmg looks like. And nukers can bring Wyrm to the gound maybe?
Is legion so dangerous that DDs insta die?
Or are PUGs just not good enough to know what -P/MDT means
Or are PUGs just not good enough to know what -P/MDT means
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Asura.Leonlionheart said: »
Is legion so dangerous that DDs insta die?
Or are PUGs just not good enough to know what -P/MDT means
Or are PUGs just not good enough to know what -P/MDT means
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Because there isn't a ranged DD class. Oh wait, there is.
SAM/NIN seems not very effective solely because all these mobs spam AGA spells and TP abilties, but yeah Legion is a bloodbath for DDs as per usual on fierce content with no access to powerful temp-item spam.
Asura.Leonlionheart said: »
Is legion so dangerous that DDs insta die?
Or are PUGs just not good enough to know what -P/MDT means
Or are PUGs just not good enough to know what -P/MDT means
I went pld with this group yesterday, got petrified by the turtle and it hit me 2 times for 700 each unblocked. Pretty sweet, there were no exceptionally well geared dds in the group though.. Not a very good gauge of how they'd do damage or survivability-wise
Leviathan.Prototyp said: »
SAM/NIN seems not very effective solely because all these mobs spam AGA spells and TP abilties, but yeah Legion is a bloodbath for DDs as per usual on fierce content with no access to powerful temp-item spam.
It depends on the TP move, and most TP moves that matter are not blocked by shadows.
@Fupa: Annihilator RNG using coronach is very effective, can also /SAM to self-dark and have BLM MB off it. Was very effective on the Adamantoise. Other DDs are good don't get me wrong, just alot more squshy than alot are gonna be acustomed to
I feel like the smn ally with this group was pulling their weight mostly but we had 4 plds and a few bst and undergeared dds and 0 blm/rng so the wyrm was flying for at least 10 minutes :/
Unless you're bringing tons of muslums I think bst is about worthless, parsing what dds were doing in there would have been somewhat insightful but the lag in there with 20+ smn/bst was horrible
Unless you're bringing tons of muslums I think bst is about worthless, parsing what dds were doing in there would have been somewhat insightful but the lag in there with 20+ smn/bst was horrible
Honestly don't see this being effectively pet-burned, if not becauase of mob difficulty, then the time given in legion.
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Yeah definitely. Slow kills were slow even with all the smns focusing on the turtle at the start, also they flailed the wyrm both tries >.> didn't kill my pld but I did see like 14 other 0/xxx hps in the alliance.. Wondering how the 18 person versions are, only tried 36man with pugs so far
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Coming from one who lived tru "oldschool" HNMLS fights , Odin etcetc, I find the players nowadays (dont get me wrong, still alot of good players out there but the "majority") lived tru too much abyssea and vw to understand HNM battle strats.
Back when Rngs and Blms were king of the battlefield with Melee only there to SC for the BLM to MB off. When whm could keep the pt alive.
Nowadays, ppl think that with a few fana drinsk and lolprogs they can zergrush any NM.
I personally havent tried Legion yet, but being in one of Odin's odlschool HNMLS, I'm pretty excited to test out my annihilator in there.
Back when Rngs and Blms were king of the battlefield with Melee only there to SC for the BLM to MB off. When whm could keep the pt alive.
Nowadays, ppl think that with a few fana drinsk and lolprogs they can zergrush any NM.
I personally havent tried Legion yet, but being in one of Odin's odlschool HNMLS, I'm pretty excited to test out my annihilator in there.
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The problem with SAM's SCing and BLM's MBing is that the SAM's die too fast and BLM's nowadays cant even MB correctly.
Went with a group before that had 6BLM, and only 1 of them timed it right, the others cast too soon and got aggro too fast, ended up killing the BLM party.
the RNG idea is what we are trying tonite to bring down the Wyrm.
Went with a group before that had 6BLM, and only 1 of them timed it right, the others cast too soon and got aggro too fast, ended up killing the BLM party.
the RNG idea is what we are trying tonite to bring down the Wyrm.
I go sam/war to legion and rarely die. We do KB first. Just straight zerg. Then move to Aspid, I sc whoever has tp and anybody that can nuke tries to MB. We had 2 drk a thf and me in sam were only fd for tutrtle, took is about 7 min to kill. Then moved to Nid which the pld holding had it flying already. Nuke it down then zerg rush till dead. The tier 2 mobs are insane though. T2 KB cast curse spikes then followed with meteor for alliance wipe and we exited. A whm and rdm for dd party was enough to keep everyone alive for the most part.
All this talk about Legion not holding the casual player's *** so he can piss straight makes me want to start playing again.
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Fenrir.Riken said: »
I go sam/war to legion and rarely die. We do KB first. Just straight zerg. Then move to Aspid, I sc whoever has tp and anybody that can nuke tries to MB. We had 2 drk a thf and me in sam were only fd for tutrtle, took is about 7 min to kill. Then moved to Nid which the pld holding had it flying already. Nuke it down then zerg rush till dead. The tier 2 mobs are insane though. T2 KB cast curse spikes then followed with meteor for alliance wipe and we exited. A whm and rdm for dd party was enough to keep everyone alive for the most part.
Odin.Ladyrikku said: »
Coming from one who lived tru "oldschool" HNMLS fights , Odin etcetc, I find the players nowadays (dont get me wrong, still alot of good players out there but the "majority") lived tru too much abyssea and vw to understand HNM battle strats. Back when Rngs and Blms were king of the battlefield with Melee only there to SC for the BLM to MB off. When whm could keep the pt alive. Nowadays, ppl think that with a few fana drinsk and lolprogs they can zergrush any NM. I personally havent tried Legion yet, but being in one of Odin's odlschool HNMLS, I'm pretty excited to test out my annihilator in there.
if u got a group heavy with ppl from HNM days its not to bad
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My phone kept autocorrecting to Muslims should have left it >.>
Asura.Fondue said: »
Fenrir.Riken said: »
I go sam/war to legion and rarely die. We do KB first. Just straight zerg. Then move to Aspid, I sc whoever has tp and anybody that can nuke tries to MB. We had 2 drk a thf and me in sam were only fd for tutrtle, took is about 7 min to kill. Then moved to Nid which the pld holding had it flying already. Nuke it down then zerg rush till dead. The tier 2 mobs are insane though. T2 KB cast curse spikes then followed with meteor for alliance wipe and we exited. A whm and rdm for dd party was enough to keep everyone alive for the most part.
18 group
edit: The PLD holding Nid is aegis pld that has tried Cdc, Requiscat and KoR and said KoR was the strongest against that mob. Part of how he got it down so far solo.
Odin.Zicdeh said: »
All this talk about Legion not holding the casual player's *** so he can piss straight makes me want to start playing again.
You'll have to hold the leaders *** to get any loot here from the difficulty level SE has for this event.
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Odin.Zicdeh said: »
All this talk about Legion not holding the casual player's *** so he can piss straight makes me want to start playing again.
You'll have to hold the leaders *** to get any loot here from the difficulty level SE has for this event.
That's no different than life though.
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Odin.Zicdeh said: »
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Odin.Zicdeh said: »
All this talk about Legion not holding the casual player's *** so he can piss straight makes me want to start playing again.
You'll have to hold the leaders *** to get any loot here from the difficulty level SE has for this event.
That's no different than life though.
When I log on, I do so to game free of the politics of DKP systems. Been there, done that and we all know that they're a pretty terrible way to reward people especially when you need 36 ppl to stand any chance of clearing a chamber.
Haven't got around to Legion since Voidwatch takes higher priority to me but seeing no lootpools in this many days is disturbing to say the least.
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Odin.Zicdeh said: »
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Odin.Zicdeh said: »
All this talk about Legion not holding the casual player's *** so he can piss straight makes me want to start playing again.
You'll have to hold the leaders *** to get any loot here from the difficulty level SE has for this event.
That's no different than life though.
When I log on, I do so to game free of the politics of DKP systems. Been there, done that and we all know that they're a pretty terrible way to reward people especially when you need 36 ppl to stand any chance of clearing a chamber.
Haven't got around to Legion since Voidwatch takes higher priority to me but seeing no lootpools in this many days is disturbing to say the least.
Too bad?
Looks like people will need to learn how to use support roles again instead of just going with mass DD, the occasional brd or cor if you can find one, and a few healers. Or in the case of VW, just spamming temp items that make them invincible or near invincible.
And if people are going to complain about loot being harder to get, isn't this what everyone has been complaining about to be fixed from abyssea? Loot is "too easy" to get and it only takes a few days to make an emp so "I don't feel special with my awesome gear no one else has but me"
Either they have to make it completely based on your solo gaming abilities for gear, or you have to provide no skill and just get lucky with lots in mass groups (or holding on to your leaders *** in some cases).
Either way, someone isn't going to be happy and the masses will cry loud enough like always. Squeaky wheel gets greased first.
And if people are going to complain about loot being harder to get, isn't this what everyone has been complaining about to be fixed from abyssea? Loot is "too easy" to get and it only takes a few days to make an emp so "I don't feel special with my awesome gear no one else has but me"
Either they have to make it completely based on your solo gaming abilities for gear, or you have to provide no skill and just get lucky with lots in mass groups (or holding on to your leaders *** in some cases).
Either way, someone isn't going to be happy and the masses will cry loud enough like always. Squeaky wheel gets greased first.
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