My Thf Killing To Slow. What Daggers Should I Use

im just suming it up

weapons:
2x str dagger until ican get mandau or qilin dagger done

Gear:
Drop the wastefull noobie mistke hands
Brego glvoes instead
and use kuraca feet +1 (both tp and ws)

its gonna be a quick improvement on thief ?

you can cap haste using relic +2 feet with those gloves, more triple attack/triple attack damage + double attack. Basically the trade off is some attack from gloves for triple attack +3% and damage +2% and double attack +3%.

I think the trade off is worth it. Especially with the +35 att boost from mandau and food.

Well to be honest I'd only go brego gloves if you have the relic +2 feet, otherwise i'd stick with like homam feet/raiders +2 hands, i did that until recently.

Raider's Armlets +2 and Athos's Boots instead of Brego and Kacura Leggings +1 for TP. So two voidwatch drops which aren't too bad to get. Kacura Leggings +1 are good for evisceration though. If you would rather not do the voidwatch for Athos's then switch Kacura feet out for Homam/Ryuga feet.

Also a better neck, no ammo swapping, demonry ring in place of rajas.

I agree athos boots are good, high but not top piece imho

Pretty much the 2nd best TP feet after AF2+2 with haste hands combo.

Also...Thaumus body is something i'd swap raider's body for as well :3

currently only been able to hit floor 80 :(

I haven't even bothered with neo nyzul yet. Waiting on SE to "Barance" it some.

While we're on the subject of TP sets...

Whatcha think about this TP set? I seem to fair pretty well with it.

I totally understand that you thief is main so you have another perspective.
bit I'm just now actually trying to do something for my thf job.
and i bet that you at sometime also where using lesser gear than you have now.
War was once my main but its kinda in the closet atm. but that didn't stop me from giving advice on quick gear improvement to get while you are working on greater sets.


my problem with VW is that i don't have city wins yet.. and so far the best i ever got in a chest are silve mirrors :-(.


I don't think if people as a one trick pony. also i rather don't give much about their gear. you can have the best gear by following advice and non understand why. and have crappy gear and not even the job opened and still know the math behind it.

i really only value ppl on thier arguments on advice.... does it make sense or not.



regarding gear swaps.
as i said above wanting to do is due to lack of playing skills.. not lack of dedication.

I've tried it when i started to go from simple dd to tanking and never got the hang of it. gave up. really never used mdt/pdt swaps since (lolaby)

but i can see that for a longtime i've been used to csting shadows while nm is casting nukega's so i have shadows up for first tp swing. so I'm guessing i could actually go back to doing mdt gear swaps.

anyway i have a huge dedication when it comes to grinding. i just have a realization of my lack of playing skills.

You don't need the Coruscanti. Give it to me. Looks good. If you have Relic feet +2 though you could probably switch back to af3 head/body, sacrificing some DEX/DA for more TA/TA dmg

You don't need any wins to get any gear. Just keep trying and you'll get the piece that you're aiming for... eventually. Plus with tickets coming that might be an option for you too.

You need to cheer up a bit. Nobody started out perfect right off the bat. I, for one, only realized the importance of macro swaps after a year of playing, so yea.

If by lack of skill you mean struggling with controlling your main char while you dual box, I guess I can understand that. I don't DB. If, however, you are afraid of managing too many macros on one char alone, then don't be. Everyone learned how to do it and everyone does it. Just do it until you get used to it and you will not regreat it.

lol, yeah right

Shhhh, I was trying to be constructive >_>

But the triple attack damage bonus from feet seems to be, from what I've read, a 2-3% increase, which seems pretty small, at least outside of abyssea. Inside will definitely be a different story. There's just so much strength in that set. :X Inside, with the crit damage boost on top of high triple attack rate, and triple attack damage boost from Demonry Ring +5% and feet +2-3%.

So it's a matter of, haste, agility and evasion aside:
Raider's Bonnet +2 - +12 Accuracy, +3% TA
Raider's Vest +2 - +10 DEX, +5 Dagger Skill
Assassin Poulaines +2 - +7 DEX, +3% TA, +2-3% TA DMG Bonus

over...

Oce. Headpiece +1 - +13 DEX
Toci's Harness - +13 STR, +13 DEX, +10 Accuracy, +10 Attack, +3% DA, +3% TA (set bonus)
Athos's Feet - +10 DEX, +5 Accuracy

12 Accuracy, +17 DEX, +5 Dagger Skill, +6% TA, +2-3% TA DMG Bonus
vs.
+15 Accuracy, +10 Attack, +13 STR, +36 DEX, +3% TA, +3% DA

It feels like I'm sacrificing a lot for 3% TA and a small boost to TA DMG. :X

af2+2 legs beat kuraca+1 ?

AF2+2 Feet for TP (as long as you wear haste hands to cap haste IE Brego or Homam). Use Kacura +1 Feet for evisceration. Assuming you're using +2 Empyrean head, body and legs too.

Tried to edit and quoted myself. Too tired I think.

brego + af2 for tp it is and str/str dagger

TY for the help


stil anyone that can explain while i would use raiders above brutal it just doesnt math out to me its seems like using iga earring instead of suppa.

I'll take the TA from the af set over the other stats, thats my opinion, i'll have to post up my math from when i did it. It's hard to compare though because I dont have the HQ qilin dagger (0/60+) and do not know how much the severe damage works. As far as im concerned though i hit like a truck.

tangent. Here is my brd tp set lololol

you shouldn't. brutal/suppa for tp.

Tickets aren't really going to change anything. You'll only be able to take a ticket for items you already have in your posession. Since people don't tend to fight NMs after they have have the prize, and most are at the point where they're paying per voidstone, and more VW coming out ...

So... tickets won't... get you gear? I don't understand what you're saying. So the tickets are being added to make no difference? I said it might be an option. Maybe he'll stumble upon some tickets for sale. Maybe somebody from a run gets two Athos's Boots in a row. There's a ticket. Again, it might be an option if he's willing to pay for it.

iirc, you will need 3(?) tickets to obtain the actual item, and given how R/Ex gear sells, the price of each ticket will be somewhat monstrous. Sure, it will be an option should anyone going for a different drop out of a NM get any doubles/triples of something they already own, but really, it's a half assed solution SE came up with to prolong VW as much as possible until they are done butchering their magic hat to pull out another rabbit.

Oh I definitely agree. I didn't mean to come off so rude Sylow. I think I'm just stupid crabby today.

20 mil a ticket for Athos body go!

pfft athos body isnt that hard to get compared to the stupid dagger. I know you have it but friggin killing me with gorgets boots and NQ daggers.

well if its THF just for abyssea you can also just do 1 STR/Triplus when you work on Mandau anyways. STR trials kinda suck cause they take some days to finish (cause like no fire weather exist and you can only go on firesday lol) and, atleast on cerberus, they cost alot to make. (flame geodes going from 30-50k, depending how many up/beeing bought) so yea if you dont want to build a 2nd (later useless weapon for thf) then you could just stick to 1STR dagger and use Triplus and still try some Qilins for boots and NQ dagger :)

Relic+2 legs are some nice evis pants but kacura +1 > relic+2

and i guess this guy who mentioned raiders he ment for WS to use one of those instat of crit hit+1 earring