Apoc 5 Hit Build
Apoc 5 hit build
Ok, thanks for clearing that up for me.
Cerberus.Kvazz said: »
Jingang legs:
STR+7 VIT+7 Haste+3
Decent in a TP setup.
Bale legs +2:
STR+12 ACC\ATK+15 or whatever it is
You'd use Jingang in a TP setup and Bale for weaponskills.
So, only place you should really compare the two would be Torcleaver set, and maybe some form of gimp Apocalypse aftermath set that would require Jingang legs.
STR+7 VIT+7 Haste+3
Decent in a TP setup.
Bale legs +2:
STR+12 ACC\ATK+15 or whatever it is
You'd use Jingang in a TP setup and Bale for weaponskills.
So, only place you should really compare the two would be Torcleaver set, and maybe some form of gimp Apocalypse aftermath set that would require Jingang legs.
Hardly gimp on top tier content. 15acc,24att and 3-4 fSTR can be an excellent option.
Cerberus.Taint said: »
Cerberus.Kvazz said: »
Jingang legs: STR+7 VIT+7 Haste+3 Decent in a TP setup. Bale legs +2: STR+12 ACC\ATK+15 or whatever it is You'd use Jingang in a TP setup and Bale for weaponskills. So, only place you should really compare the two would be Torcleaver set, and maybe some form of gimp Apocalypse aftermath set that would require Jingang legs.
I meant if jingang were one of your options, then it's probably kinda gimp :p
Cerberus.Taint said: »
Asura.Fondue said: »
I cant get that spreadsheet to work at all nor does it seem to be updated since the one I saw only had 2 atmacite slots but how does this do DRK/war 6hit with embrava or coersion+monarch
could even drop the tyrant for mars/DAring and still get 88.2 tp from 6 swings (5+ws) and the 2 6 regain/tics
could even drop the tyrant for mars/DAring and still get 88.2 tp from 6 swings (5+ws) and the 2 6 regain/tics
Good with Embrava up on weak enemies. I'd use it on Keggan, but not on Watcher. Maybe first wave Legion.
even with the 25acc agg/40acc DE/stalwarts/valiant 10isacc? what about eating pizza+1 for watcher? should be more than enough attack /war with chaos/minuet no?
I just use this set atm for ADL with rcb
Asura.Fondue said: »
Cerberus.Taint said: »
Asura.Fondue said: »
I cant get that spreadsheet to work at all nor does it seem to be updated since the one I saw only had 2 atmacite slots but how does this do DRK/war 6hit with embrava or coersion+monarch
could even drop the tyrant for mars/DAring and still get 88.2 tp from 6 swings (5+ws) and the 2 6 regain/tics
could even drop the tyrant for mars/DAring and still get 88.2 tp from 6 swings (5+ws) and the 2 6 regain/tics
Good with Embrava up on weak enemies. I'd use it on Keggan, but not on Watcher. Maybe first wave Legion.
even with the 25acc agg/40acc DE/stalwarts/valiant 10isacc? what about eating pizza+1 for watcher? should be more than enough attack /war with chaos/minuet no?
I just use this set atm for ADL with rcb
ADL is a 6man joke of a mob...treat him like fodder.
For Watcher, you need pizza+1 to make that set work. Unless you are gettnig Mads but even then its all about the same. I don't have a lot of parse data but Apoc is borderline fail on that mob.
Cerberus.Taint said: »
Asura.Fondue said: »
Cerberus.Taint said: »
Asura.Fondue said: »
I cant get that spreadsheet to work at all nor does it seem to be updated since the one I saw only had 2 atmacite slots but how does this do DRK/war 6hit with embrava or coersion+monarch
could even drop the tyrant for mars/DAring and still get 88.2 tp from 6 swings (5+ws) and the 2 6 regain/tics
could even drop the tyrant for mars/DAring and still get 88.2 tp from 6 swings (5+ws) and the 2 6 regain/tics
Good with Embrava up on weak enemies. I'd use it on Keggan, but not on Watcher. Maybe first wave Legion.
even with the 25acc agg/40acc DE/stalwarts/valiant 10isacc? what about eating pizza+1 for watcher? should be more than enough attack /war with chaos/minuet no?
I just use this set atm for ADL with rcb
ADL is a 6man joke of a mob...treat him like fodder.
For Watcher, you need pizza+1 to make that set work. Unless you are gettnig Mads but even then its all about the same. I don't have a lot of parse data but Apoc is borderline fail on that mob.
Unfortunately you're right.
I remember a parse (elflegolas vere mnk, taint rag war, me apoc drk, and a hoarfrost or borealis drk who was procing half the time) result was :
28% 22% 11% 11%
I've noticed a large decrease on my ws dmg aside of fetters popping.
But i can't remember the buffs i had. Also, i'm sure i did better on the last run (better ws dmg etc...).
However, on PW i know i'd rather use caladbolg 85 and spam resolution (i use what i have lol).
I'm looking to make a Zerg set for when I have Embrava up; I've added this into my spellcast and I'm sure it's correct (Still learning)
However; could people suggest some sets that would be good under the effect of embrava? I haven't got to see some yet.
However; could people suggest some sets that would be good under the effect of embrava? I haven't got to see some yet.
Bahamut.Disguise said: »
I'm looking to make a Zerg set for when I have Embrava up; I've added this into my spellcast and I'm sure it's correct (Still learning)
However; could people suggest some sets that would be good under the effect of embrava? I haven't got to see some yet.
However; could people suggest some sets that would be good under the effect of embrava? I haven't got to see some yet.
We were discussing it on this same page.....
I just swapped mine to the same set but with Whirlwind dires. (you won't catch me in Cal pants.)
Cerberus.Taint said: »
Bahamut.Disguise said: »
I'm looking to make a Zerg set for when I have Embrava up; I've added this into my spellcast and I'm sure it's correct (Still learning)
However; could people suggest some sets that would be good under the effect of embrava? I haven't got to see some yet.
However; could people suggest some sets that would be good under the effect of embrava? I haven't got to see some yet.
We were discussing it on this same page.....
I just swapped mine to the same set but with Whirlwind dires. (you won't catch me in Cal pants.)
Any alt to using a Valk body, since I don't have those? Also, I don't have Whirlwind legs and I sure as hell don't want to re-get calm legs, could they be replaced by anything else also?
Bahamut.Disguise said: »
Cerberus.Taint said: »
Bahamut.Disguise said: »
I'm looking to make a Zerg set for when I have Embrava up; I've added this into my spellcast and I'm sure it's correct (Still learning)
However; could people suggest some sets that would be good under the effect of embrava? I haven't got to see some yet.
However; could people suggest some sets that would be good under the effect of embrava? I haven't got to see some yet.
We were discussing it on this same page.....
I just swapped mine to the same set but with Whirlwind dires. (you won't catch me in Cal pants.)
Any alt to using a Valk body, since I don't have those? Also, I don't have Whirlwind legs and I sure as hell don't want to re-get calm legs, could they be replaced by anything else also?
You could use Armadaberk, obviously Valk is better. For legs Bale+2 would be a distant 3rd. If you are taking the time to make an Embrava set just buy Calmecac legs or get dires, not need to take the effort just to gimp yourself.
trying to think what else has multi attack on it lol ares's flanchard >.> whirlwind arent bad to get though, aello is just as good for plates as qilin
Asura.Fondue said: »
trying to think what else has multi attack on it lol ares's flanchard >.> whirlwind arent bad to get though, aello is just as good for plates as qilin
Totally forgot about Ares legs, brings back the 07 AM set!
As for feet, I currently don't have Phorcys feet, would Jingang greaves be a good alternative until I can acquire them or would working something in with acc be a better route to take.
i got huugin feet in survery contest. so what if i had capped haste and used enif body with phorcys hands? would 2% quad and 2% double be better then the 3% triple from valkyrie? id be using greatsword tho
Should post that question in the GS thread along with your full gearset and which subjob\situation, or you can PM it to me and I'll check in a bit.
Also grats on those feet, lucky sob!
Also grats on those feet, lucky sob!
I'm just Curious is there a effect on Murzim corazza I don't know about I am not seeing it pop up in any of these. Store TP 6 and haste 4% I was thinking it would be a nice piece but I have not seen it turn up in any builds yet
That's because there are more efficient ways of getting both stats.
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Haste body in general is'nt needed, and ebody\pbody offer multihit, acc and atk in the same slot.
It might have a place in some sets depending on your other gear-options, but in general it's not ideal to use this over other options.
It might have a place in some sets depending on your other gear-options, but in general it's not ideal to use this over other options.
well now I just feel rather nubish after that I been working on that to upgrade from ogier's body. I thought it would be a nice upgrade but with the 8% haste being equipment haste it seems to make sense to get more multihit
meant in general is 2% quad + 2% double > 3% triple?
2 quad + 2 DA = 3 extra + 3 extra + 1 extra + 1 extra = 8 extra hits
3 triple = 2 extra + 2 extra + 2 extra = 6 extra hits
Not 100% accurate due to not accounting for QA overwriting DA etc, but yes, it should be.
3 triple = 2 extra + 2 extra + 2 extra = 6 extra hits
Not 100% accurate due to not accounting for QA overwriting DA etc, but yes, it should be.
good to know then. wont blow millions and millions on valk -1 body + augments. thanks
btw i use armada when the store tp is necessary
btw i use armada when the store tp is necessary
http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/31534/math-oax-multi-attack-and-you/
Handy thread to read regarding multihit stuff.
Handy thread to read regarding multihit stuff.
You were faster than me.
I was gonna say there's a quick way to calculate the number of hits added, for example :
You said 2 QA + 2 DA > 3 TA?
(2x4-2) + (2x2-2) > 3x3-3?
6 + 2 > 6.
So :
2% QA + 2% DA > 3% TA?
on 100 hits :
2x4-2 = 6 hits added to 100 base
100 - 2% = 98
2% of DA on the remaining 98% = 1.96
1.96 x 2 - 1.96 = 1.96
6 + 1.96 = 7.96
7.96 > 6.
I was gonna say there's a quick way to calculate the number of hits added, for example :
You said 2 QA + 2 DA > 3 TA?
So :
2% QA + 2% DA > 3% TA?
on 100 hits :
2x4-2 = 6 hits added to 100 base
100 - 2% = 98
2% of DA on the remaining 98% = 1.96
1.96 x 2 - 1.96 = 1.96
6 + 1.96 = 7.96
7.96 > 6.
Cerberus.Kvazz said: »
http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/31534/math-oax-multi-attack-and-you/
Handy thread to read regarding multihit stuff.
Handy thread to read regarding multihit stuff.
Lol i didn't see you posted the link...
Shiva.Paranoid said: »
good to know then. wont blow millions and millions on valk -1 body + augments. thanks
btw i use armada when the store tp is necessary
btw i use armada when the store tp is necessary
Sec, you're trying to say that armada and valk are useless?
thanks. also is the regen effect more on valkyrie then it is on shadow body or the same?
Bahamut.Kyrael said: »
well now I just feel rather nubish after that I been working on that to upgrade from ogier's body. I thought it would be a nice upgrade but with the 8% haste being equipment haste it seems to make sense to get more multihit
While I think armada is within everyones reach, it's also reasonable to say it's easier to acquire some items for some. It's perfectly reasonable to have "stepping stones" along the way. Even if you never actually obtain armadaberk, I have more respect for someone who stays openminded to it than someone who writes it off and then makes up justification. It's still an upgrade from ogier's.
Cerberus.Detzu said: »
You were faster than me.
I was gonna say there's a quick way to calculate the number of hits added, for example :
You said 2 QA + 2 DA > 3 TA?
(2x4-2) + (2x2-2) > 3x3-3?
6 + 2 > 6.
So :
2% QA + 2% DA > 3% TA?
on 100 hits :
2x4-2 = 6 hits added to 100 base
100 - 2% = 98
2% of DA on the remaining 98% = 1.96
1.96 x 2 - 1.96 = 1.96
6 + 1.96 = 7.96
7.96 > 6.
I was gonna say there's a quick way to calculate the number of hits added, for example :
You said 2 QA + 2 DA > 3 TA?
So :
2% QA + 2% DA > 3% TA?
on 100 hits :
2x4-2 = 6 hits added to 100 base
100 - 2% = 98
2% of DA on the remaining 98% = 1.96
1.96 x 2 - 1.96 = 1.96
6 + 1.96 = 7.96
7.96 > 6.
I think this is how the multiattack priorities work. You can correct me if i'm wrong.
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