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‘God Does Not Exist’ Comment Ends Badly
‘God Does Not Exist’ Comment Ends Badly
Update: http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/dismay-after-indonesian-atheist-charged-with-blasphemy/492622
For the record the term "imaginary friend" or "sky daddy" isn't ever going to cause good things, so why be condescending?
For the record the term "imaginary friend" or "sky daddy" isn't ever going to cause good things, so why be condescending?
Ragnarok.Evandis said: »
I don't think he is an idiot for being an atheist. I don't think he is an idiot period. I think he should have considered his personal situation and location and taken a different approach to speaking out in a public manner where people who will go beyond your typical persecution and into outright physical and apparently legal attacks can see it.
Sometimes, outright taking a stand is not the best course of action. I believe this will only lead to further repression and oppression, because it serves as scare tactics against other Indonesian atheists.
Sometimes, outright taking a stand is not the best course of action. I believe this will only lead to further repression and oppression, because it serves as scare tactics against other Indonesian atheists.
If NO ONE took a stand, then we'd still have segregation.. If no one stood up and said "this isn't right", nothing would have changed. You think the the fire hoses and dogs and everything else they faced didn't act as scare tactics?
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Lakshmi.Mabrook said: »
Prophet Muhammed was the leader of the city of Mecca for your info and "Allah" means "God".
/facepalm.....I should even find the history channel documentary that said that. Even though I've read it since before then
Psycho Slip said: »
Ragnarok.Evandis said: »
I don't think he is an idiot for being an atheist. I don't think he is an idiot period. I think he should have considered his personal situation and location and taken a different approach to speaking out in a public manner where people who will go beyond your typical persecution and into outright physical and apparently legal attacks can see it.
Sometimes, outright taking a stand is not the best course of action. I believe this will only lead to further repression and oppression, because it serves as scare tactics against other Indonesian atheists.
Sometimes, outright taking a stand is not the best course of action. I believe this will only lead to further repression and oppression, because it serves as scare tactics against other Indonesian atheists.
If NO ONE took a stand, then we'd still have segregation.. If no one stood up and said "this isn't right", nothing would have changed. You think the the fire hoses and dogs and everything else they faced didn't act as scare tactics?
I think when there is at least one person standing beside you willing to take the abuse that you have the beginning of a movement. I think when you have one person that no one is openly defending (as in not denouncing it anonymously over the internet) then you have a tragedy soon to be forgotten.
lol 3rd world.
Snopes said:
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So now it isn't that he said God didn't exist, it's that he used and denounced passages from the Koran...does anyone have a copy of what he actually posted?
Ragnarok.Evandis said: »
Psycho Slip said: »
Ragnarok.Evandis said: »
I don't think he is an idiot for being an atheist. I don't think he is an idiot period. I think he should have considered his personal situation and location and taken a different approach to speaking out in a public manner where people who will go beyond your typical persecution and into outright physical and apparently legal attacks can see it.
Sometimes, outright taking a stand is not the best course of action. I believe this will only lead to further repression and oppression, because it serves as scare tactics against other Indonesian atheists.
Sometimes, outright taking a stand is not the best course of action. I believe this will only lead to further repression and oppression, because it serves as scare tactics against other Indonesian atheists.
If NO ONE took a stand, then we'd still have segregation.. If no one stood up and said "this isn't right", nothing would have changed. You think the the fire hoses and dogs and everything else they faced didn't act as scare tactics?
I think when there is at least one person standing beside you willing to take the abuse that you have the beginning of a movement. I think when you have one person that no one is openly defending (as in not denouncing it anonymously over the internet) then you have a tragedy soon to be forgotten.
For all you know, someone is waiting for someone else to step up.. Taking that first step, is the hardest.. You might be alone, you might have a million people at your back ready to defend you, you just don't know. But someone has to..
I am curious, if he had used the Bible say instead of the Koran, would this even be an issue?
Ragnarok.Evandis said: »
So now it isn't that he said God didn't exist, it's that he used and denounced passages from the Koran...does anyone have a copy of what he actually posted?
Does it really matter what he said? Are you seriously trying to rationalize laws that can detain someone for voicing their opinion on subjective matters?
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Bismarck.Sylow said: »
Ragnarok.Evandis said: »
So now it isn't that he said God didn't exist, it's that he used and denounced passages from the Koran...does anyone have a copy of what he actually posted?
Does it really matter what he said? Are you seriously trying to rationalize laws that can detain someone for voicing their opinion on subjective matters?
Stop assuming you know everyone's motives.
Let me ask you something? While you are making these assumptions of me, what have you done about this article? I have already submitted it as a news tip to CNN and MSNBC.
I am allowed curiosity.
So happy I live in Norway.
No proper religion is the norm here.
While lots of people think there is a higher spirit, most members of the church actually are'nt christian.
I think like 80% of the country is listed as christian by the church, but when they do surveys, between 30 and 70% turn up as atheists.
The only people making a mess here are a few crazy religious people raging on homosexuals.
That someone gets arrested for saying there is no god, is just beyond me...
And now he have to PICK a religion? It's not like he'll actually belive in the one he have to pick >_>
He just have to do it to have a religion on paper?
That's simply HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.
No proper religion is the norm here.
While lots of people think there is a higher spirit, most members of the church actually are'nt christian.
I think like 80% of the country is listed as christian by the church, but when they do surveys, between 30 and 70% turn up as atheists.
The only people making a mess here are a few crazy religious people raging on homosexuals.
That someone gets arrested for saying there is no god, is just beyond me...
And now he have to PICK a religion? It's not like he'll actually belive in the one he have to pick >_>
He just have to do it to have a religion on paper?
That's simply HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.
I don't understand how you can have 80% of people defining themselves as Christian while having a 30 to 70% response of atheism?
BBC already reported on it.
CNN+MSNBC have people that are you know, paid to keep up with this ***.
CNN+MSNBC have people that are you know, paid to keep up with this ***.
Ragnarok.Evandis said: »
I don't understand how you can have 80% of people defining themselves as Christian while having a 30 to 70% response of atheism?
It's hard to actually leave the church, lots of paperwork, so most people just dont bother.
Bismarck.Sylow said: »
BBC already reported on it.
CNN+MSNBC have people that are you know, paid to keep up with this ***.
CNN+MSNBC have people that are you know, paid to keep up with this ***.
Yeah cause no news agency has ever needed an outside tip of news it wasn't aware of before.
Ragnarok.Evandis said: »
I don't understand how you can have 80% of people defining themselves as Christian while having a 30 to 70% response of atheism?
He said 80% are listed by the church as Christian, not that 80% define themselves as Christian.
Ragnarok.Evandis said: »
Bismarck.Sylow said: »
BBC already reported on it.
CNN+MSNBC have people that are you know, paid to keep up with this ***.
CNN+MSNBC have people that are you know, paid to keep up with this ***.
Yeah cause no news agency has ever needed an outside tip of news it wasn't aware of before.
They don't need help finding things on which BBC reported, no.
Bismarck.Sylow said: »
Ragnarok.Evandis said: »
Bismarck.Sylow said: »
BBC already reported on it.
CNN+MSNBC have people that are you know, paid to keep up with this ***.
CNN+MSNBC have people that are you know, paid to keep up with this ***.
Yeah cause no news agency has ever needed an outside tip of news it wasn't aware of before.
They don't need help finding things on which BBC reported, no.
Bismarck.Sylow said: »
Ragnarok.Evandis said: »
I don't understand how you can have 80% of people defining themselves as Christian while having a 30 to 70% response of atheism?
He said 80% are listed by the church as Christian, not that 80% define themselves as Christian.
And that means what to an American? We have 1,000s of churches, of many different religions, and many sects within the same religion and we don't require paperwork to join or leave. We don't have a census taken of who belongs to what. Like I know what that means. You only have one church?
Ragnarok.Evandis said: »
Bismarck.Sylow said: »
Ragnarok.Evandis said: »
I don't understand how you can have 80% of people defining themselves as Christian while having a 30 to 70% response of atheism?
He said 80% are listed by the church as Christian, not that 80% define themselves as Christian.
And that means what to an American? We have 1,000s of churches, of many different religions, and many sects within the same religion and we don't require paperwork to join or leave. We don't have a census taken of who belongs to what. Like I know what that means. You only have one church?
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Ragnarok.Evandis said: »
I am curious, if he had used the Bible say instead of the Koran, would this even be an issue?
I think this is what it means by "depends on where you live". Islamic organization in this country always be the first antagonizing something that is irrelevant with their view. From the first publication of playboy magazine to taking Japanese AV actresses to play in a movie that isn't porn.
Cerberus.Kvazz said: »
That someone gets arrested for saying there is no god, is just beyond me...
And now he have to PICK a religion? It's not like he'll actually belive in the one he have to pick >_>
He just have to do it to have a religion on paper?
That's simply HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.
And now he have to PICK a religion? It's not like he'll actually belive in the one he have to pick >_>
He just have to do it to have a religion on paper?
That's simply HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.
Asura.Vrytreya said: »
Ragnarok.Evandis said: »
I am curious, if he had used the Bible say instead of the Koran, would this even be an issue?
I think this is what it means by "depends on where you live". Islamic organization in this country always be the first antagonizing something that is irrelevant with their view. From the first publication of playboy magazine to taking Japanese AV actresses to play in a movie that isn't porn.
Cerberus.Kvazz said: »
That someone gets arrested for saying there is no god, is just beyond me...
And now he have to PICK a religion? It's not like he'll actually belive in the one he have to pick >_>
He just have to do it to have a religion on paper?
That's simply HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.
And now he have to PICK a religion? It's not like he'll actually belive in the one he have to pick >_>
He just have to do it to have a religion on paper?
That's simply HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.
I have made a post on their page and asked a few in private for some clarification.
No wonder you think MSNBC and CNN need help finding these things, you don't know how to use the internet.
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Bismarck.Sylow said: »
No wonder you think MSNBC and CNN need help finding these things, you don't know how to use the internet.
Yes, I don't know how to use the internet because I don't Wikipedia every country and try to be a know-it-all like you.
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Anyway Vrytreya, Babblefish is very bad at translating Indonesia, would you happen to know what this means?
SUPER ONGEH.....
dari mana udara yg anda hirup ??????
tanyo den stek aaa......
Are they asking where I am from?
I don't try to be a know-it-all, I just happen to know everything.
Also, HELLO, Norwegian flag, don't you think I'd at least know something? :|
Tåpelig barn :<
Also, HELLO, Norwegian flag, don't you think I'd at least know something? :|
Tåpelig barn :<
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Bismarck.Sylow said: »
I don't try to be a know-it-all, I just happen to know everything.
Also, HELLO, Norwegian flag, don't you think I'd at least know something? :|
Tåpelig barn :<
Also, HELLO, Norwegian flag, don't you think I'd at least know something? :|
Tåpelig barn :<
Well while you are trying to know everything, let me know how to calculate brake specific fuel consumption for a 99 Eclipse with a 2.0 running a E316G turbo.
I'll continue to speak with the other Norwegian who was able to understand that the way your country runs things isn't how my country runs things and explained how such a statistic was possible, since we only have a governmental census and not a church one as well.
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