Sam Gear Lvl 99
Sam gear lvl 99
so one thing is slightly confusing. when it is said, 'capped attack', does it mean your attack vs whatever the mobs defense is? or is it a specific number? and if it is capped, should a sam be using fudo rather than shoha?
Ragnarok.Ejiin said: »
Cerberus.Taint said: »
Unfortunately I run with 2 SAMs in my Nyzul group, one with Masa and one with TPbonus. I personnaly think SAM sucks for Nyzul but thats my bias opinion.
Genuinely curious, as I've only ever been WAR for Nyzul, but SAM seems attractive for a number of reasons(mainly being able to self SC). What makes you say SAM sucks for nyzul?
Sucks is a bit strong. Not as good as DRK,WAR or MNK should be a better way of putting it. I've never used SAM in Nyzul just have 2 in my SP. Bias opinion based on my group and nothing else.
I feel it's not as good for the same reasons it's not as good for an Embrava zerg - the benefits of the job are tp gain and WS rate, when you make every other job have an identical tp/ws split as SAM, you have just nullified any lead the job has over other DD's.
I can see where you're coming from on one side of the coin there, but on the other, I know in my situation, my monk is decent, but pretty generic (Vere, BB, AF3+2 and assorted non-augmented ws gear). And it goes downhill from there. Ranger's not much good in Nyzul. 85 Calad drk would be a bit silly.
So Kaiten/Shoha/Namas away for me!
So Kaiten/Shoha/Namas away for me!
Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
I can see where you're coming from on one side of the coin there, but on the other, I know in my situation, my monk is decent, but pretty generic (Vere, BB, AF3+2 and assorted non-augmented ws gear). And it goes downhill from there. Ranger's not much good. 85 Calad drk would be a bit silly.
So Kaiten/Shoha/Namas away for me!
So Kaiten/Shoha/Namas away for me!
I've been wanting to try Quint/Namas spam in Nyzul. Fodder and Namas go well together.
i dont get it,you saying that overall,drk war and mnk are better than sam in nyzul uncharted? just explain me how come,i been having time problems there,currently what i can afford is 2 sch,1 420 ish 1 460 ish enhancing skill,and only job i can use instead,is a mnk whit vere 90 decently geared,and 1 sam can go mnk too,and 1 drk whit i think just hoarfrost blade,actually we are like 3 sam 1 drk whit ragnarok,was just curious,if sams would go better whit another job?
Unfortunately I run with 2 SAMs in my Nyzul group, one with Masa and one with TPbonus. I personnaly think SAM sucks for Nyzul but thats my bias opinion.
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you probably take HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE weak sams to nyzul then , i think i see where the problem lies , tp bonus gk , masamune.
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you probably take HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE weak sams to nyzul then , i think i see where the problem lies , tp bonus gk , masamune.
Quetzalcoatl.Evilddstroyer said: »
Unfortunately I run with 2 SAMs in my Nyzul group, one with Masa and one with TPbonus. I personnaly think SAM sucks for Nyzul but thats my bias opinion. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ you probably take HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE weak sams to nyzul then , i think i see where the problem lies , tp bonus gk , masamune.
This isn't going to go well.
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Bahamut.Zellc said: »
so one thing is slightly confusing. when it is said, 'capped attack', does it mean your attack vs whatever the mobs defense is? or is it a specific number? and if it is capped, should a sam be using fudo rather than shoha?
Come on dude ... it's 2012.
id have to say you are correct. what is you point?
Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Evilddstroyer said: »
Unfortunately I run with 2 SAMs in my Nyzul group, one with Masa and one with TPbonus. I personnaly think SAM sucks for Nyzul but thats my bias opinion. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ you probably take HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE weak sams to nyzul then , i think i see where the problem lies , tp bonus gk , masamune.
This isn't going to go well.
Not even worth it...lol
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no one still answered me :(
plz can anyone tel me if i should use mnk over sam,and why? just trying to get my static better ^^
plz can anyone tel me if i should use mnk over sam,and why? just trying to get my static better ^^
How can any GK (beside amano) out parse masa with AM up? Maybe ws damage but you gotta hit something somtime and when masa is throwing out x2 the damage on normal hits it wouldn't seem logical. It's like people would say they used the +str tp drain gk over hagun back in the day to me. It just seems whatever masa gets beat in ws it would easily make up in pure damage. But oh well, I Don't see any 100tp gk shouts for VW, so good luck getting in on those shouts.
Masa has ODD yeah, but SAM's damage is made up of at most 25% tp phase/white damage. It's not a big factor for a SAM's parse. If you have it, by all means you should be using it, but it's not enough to save disparity in base damage.
Edit: To follow up on that, if you are parsing more than 25% white damage --> doingitwrong.jpg
Edit: To follow up on that, if you are parsing more than 25% white damage --> doingitwrong.jpg
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Ragnarok.Stiel said: »
no one still answered me :(
plz can anyone tel me if i should use mnk over sam,and why? just trying to get my static better ^^
plz can anyone tel me if i should use mnk over sam,and why? just trying to get my static better ^^
The point was, SAM's WSs (should) do less damage than other "full on" melee jobs like WAR/DRK/RNG and our melee damage is relatively weak too. Our strength is tp-gain/WS-rate and SCing, so if everyone has potent regain from Embrava then other jobs should be able to keep up with our WS rate, nulling our advantage.
Lakshmi.Rearden said: »
I feel it's not as good for the same reasons it's not as good for an Embrava zerg - the benefits of the job are tp gain and WS rate, when you make every other job have an identical tp/ws split as SAM, you have just nullified any lead the job has over other DD's.
I still think SAMs are useful especially with Meikyo Shisui + Dusty Wing on the Mega Boss, although maybe that's not such a big problem anymore in Neo-Nyzul, idk.
But, I'd take an empyrean/relic/mythic SAM over a non-empyrean/relic/mythic other DD. Any well geared DD job beats any weakly geared DD job.
Phoenix.Eckeward said: »
But, I'd take an empyrean/relic/mythic SAM over a non-empyrean/relic/mythic other DD. Any well geared DD job beats any weakly geared DD job.
It still astonishes me that people throw legendary weapons around like they're a universal symbol of quality. Empyrean weapons are largely outclassed when left untended to, Mythic weapons lose a lot of ground when there isn't a substantial TP surplus, and Relic weapons take a large hit when accuracy is of no concern. You're going to turn down an OAT magian DRK because they don't have a level 90 Caladbolg? You're going to turn down a STR magian DRG because they don't have a Gungnir? Having a legendary weapon does not mean the same thing to every class. Making blanket requirements like that just make you look incredibly ignorant.
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RE: Meikyo on bosses
A 300% Ukkos + wing/sekka Ukko's/maybe SC pretty much kills the F100 boss.
A 300% Ukkos + wing/sekka Ukko's/maybe SC pretty much kills the F100 boss.
not sure if srs
Fenrir.Minjo said: »
It still astonishes me that people throw legendary weapons around like they're a universal symbol of quality....Making blanket requirements like that just make you look incredibly ignorant.
I should've said "Any well geared DD will beat a poorly geared DD." But still, legendary weapons are generally better than other weapons, that's why they're so hard to get.
Although having said that, these days, anyone can get an Empyrean weapon. I suppose the skill of the player is just as important as gear if not more, especially for Nyzul.
The point isn't to not screen people based on the quality of their equipment, but to screen them intelligently. Outside of situations where high accuracy is mandatory(which is fairly correctable with food adjustments), a large portion of the relevant jobs perform very well without a legendary weapon. SAM, DRG, and DRK all have excellent magian alternatives. It's mostly MNK and WAR that are up ***Creek without one.
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Lakshmi.Rearden said: »
RE: Meikyo on bosses
A 300% Ukkos + wing/sekka Ukko's/maybe SC pretty much kills the F100 boss.
A 300% Ukkos + wing/sekka Ukko's/maybe SC pretty much kills the F100 boss.
3 ukko's and a light SC are not going to do 45k~ damage. stop.
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Just a quick question rheic body+2 > aces mail? Or does it need to be +3/phorcys?
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Just a quick question rheic body+2 > aces mail? Or does it need to be +3/phorcys?
Never going to use the +2/3 as it would just highlight my failure to get to 100 ;)
so basically you saying drk and war will do average better than sam,welli dk i dont have war or drk,i have mnk tho,melee sure would be better,but about ws dmg idk really,i eyeballed 4-5k average shoha,might be just drunk idk,not doing always that ofc,esp on nms,but even whit embrava i dont think war/drk/mnk would have my same ws rate,i will give a try tho,and see if i go better whit my sam or my mnk,the point will be yet,that my sam is a bit better equipped than my mnk though
Cerberus.Taint said: »
Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
But keep in mind that every TP over 100 you have favors Masa more and TP Bonus less.
Masa definitely rapes over TP bonus in Nyzul, I'm pretty sure Tigerwoods agrees.
5 Mobs in a room, ODD rocks, Konzen Fudo can 1 shot NMs. Boss floors ODD is doing work. And you constantly sit on TP due to running,embrava and lamp floors all which favor Masa.
Unfortunately I run with 2 SAMs in my Nyzul group, one with Masa and one with TPbonus. I personnaly think SAM sucks for Nyzul but thats my bias opinion.
I believe the real potential of SAM in Nyzul lies in the Polearm department, this remind me of 75 so much.
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Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »
Cerberus.Taint said: »
Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
But keep in mind that every TP over 100 you have favors Masa more and TP Bonus less.
Masa definitely rapes over TP bonus in Nyzul, I'm pretty sure Tigerwoods agrees.
5 Mobs in a room, ODD rocks, Konzen Fudo can 1 shot NMs. Boss floors ODD is doing work. And you constantly sit on TP due to running,embrava and lamp floors all which favor Masa.
Unfortunately I run with 2 SAMs in my Nyzul group, one with Masa and one with TPbonus. I personnaly think SAM sucks for Nyzul but thats my bias opinion.
I believe the real potential of SAM in Nyzul lies in the Polearm department, this remind me of 75 so much.
Probably a 95 Amano. 99 Amano should be pretty sweet on Nyzul like content.
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