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 Bismarck.Aerison
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By Bismarck.Aerison 2011-12-24 15:19:10
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Phoenix.Lilithx said: »


This is my Shoha set now.

Atheling over Unkai otherwise pretty much optimal ws set.
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By Bismarck.Elanabelle 2011-12-24 15:51:15
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What I'm using currently.
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By Lakshmi.Greggles 2011-12-24 16:30:52
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Bismarck.Aerison said: »
Phoenix.Lilithx said: »


This is my Shoha set now.

Atheling over Unkai otherwise pretty much optimal ws set.

Atheling really wins? O_o I would have figured that Unkai would win due to the STR+5. Interesting, I'll have to look into making that change for my Shoha set.
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By Bahamut.Serj 2011-12-24 16:31:47
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Keep in mind Shoha has a massive attack boost, which will possibly (almost likely) devalue attack in your ws sets, alongside the massive 100% str mod.

I can throw it in Kin's spreadsheet later if he has it updated if I can be bothered, but I'd think atheling would be worse than Unkai on average.
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By Bismarck.Aerison 2011-12-24 16:55:03
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Bahamut.Serj said: »
Keep in mind Shoha has a massive attack boost, which will possibly (almost likely) devalue attack in your ws sets, alongside the massive 100% str mod.

I can throw it in Kin's spreadsheet later if he has it updated if I can be bothered, but I'd think atheling would be worse than Unkai on average.

This is through kines spreadsheet and parsing, atheling wins, marginally
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By Xorn 2011-12-24 17:23:28
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So if sea gorgets are the best neck for Shoha, I guess the 2m I just spent on a Justiciar's torque was a waste?
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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2011-12-24 17:25:27
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Absolutely
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-12-24 17:28:20
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Xorn said: »
So if sea gorgets are the best neck for Shoha, I guess the 2m I just spent on a Justiciar's torque was a waste?
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By Bahamut.Serj 2011-12-24 17:29:44
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Bismarck.Aerison said: »
Bahamut.Serj said: »
Keep in mind Shoha has a massive attack boost, which will possibly (almost likely) devalue attack in your ws sets, alongside the massive 100% str mod.

I can throw it in Kin's spreadsheet later if he has it updated if I can be bothered, but I'd think atheling would be worse than Unkai on average.

This is through kines spreadsheet and parsing, atheling wins, marginally

I'd be comparing it through different targets and with different buffs.

If it is so marginal, then screw the unkai back honestly. I'll still check it later.
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By Bismarck.Elanabelle 2011-12-24 18:35:45
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Xorn said: »
So if sea gorgets are the best neck for Shoha, I guess the 2m I just spent on a Justiciar's torque was a waste?

I'd say so.

Although it may be a solid neck item for Tachi:Fudo and Tachi: Kaiten.
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By Xorn 2011-12-24 23:27:25
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Well, I just finished Masamune 85, but considering that I only play on Xbox, I don't think I want to mess with extra macros to have a different WS set for Fudo if Shoha will just destroy it in damage.

So probably gonna sell the Justiciar's.
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By Asura.Vrytreya 2011-12-24 23:32:35
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Keep in mind that if you're using Masamune, Shoha at 100% TP is probably have virtually no difference on mob you can cap attack your Fudo.
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By Bahamut.Zellc 2011-12-24 23:39:09
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not sure if anyone has asked yet, but has anyone mathed out the boost to overwelm on relic domaru +2?
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By Xorn 2011-12-24 23:51:50
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Asura.Vrytreya said: »
Keep in mind that if you're using Masamune, Shoha at 100% TP is probably have virtually no difference on mob you can cap attack your Fudo.

So Fudo is the same as Shoha on weaker mobs (non-VW)? I'm only 2/5 and haven't really used it.
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By Bahamut.Serj 2011-12-25 00:01:47
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Bahamut.Zellc said: »
not sure if anyone has asked yet, but has anyone mathed out the boost to overwelm on relic domaru +2?

I plan to when I come back on wed/thurs on the test server.

Unfortunately, it will take many hours of testing.

I'll post here when I find out the boost on it.
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By Bahamut.Zellc 2011-12-25 00:27:18
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Bahamut.Serj said: »
Bahamut.Zellc said: »
not sure if anyone has asked yet, but has anyone mathed out the boost to overwelm on relic domaru +2?

I plan to when I come back on wed/thurs on the test server.

Unfortunately, it will take many hours of testing.

I'll post here when I find out the boost on it.

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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-12-25 00:31:30
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Bahamut.Zellc said: »
not sure if anyone has asked yet, but has anyone mathed out the boost to overwelm on relic domaru +2?
To elaborate on what Serj said, there's no quick way to test it. I tried Spirits Within and magic WS but neither is affected by Overwhelm. Given that ranged WS are also not affected, this forces you to use normal physical WS. You're thus subject to the variability of the melee equations, which means you have to gather a significant sample size instead of being able to gather data fairly quickly (assuming it's a straight enhancement to the damage bonus at any rate).
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By Bahamut.Zellc 2011-12-25 00:42:00
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i figure it would be a straight %, but regardless, im in no hurry to figure it out. just got -1 domaru a few min ago and am waiting on the memories to collect also. not expecting that it will be better than aces mail, but it would be nice to know where it stands.

ps kudos to all u testers, helping lazy *** like myself figure ***out lol.
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By Phoenix.Neosutra 2011-12-25 00:43:57
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Haven't played Sam in a while. Is it worth capping Shoha for higher defense mobs (new VW mobs) if you have 90 Masa? Open with 300 Fudo then ride the rest with Shohas? Thinking about dusting off Sam and having some fun after they nerf smite/ukko.
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By Bahamut.Zellc 2011-12-25 00:48:08
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Bahamut.Zellc said: »
got to play on sam in vw today. been following this thread for some time and wanted to post some screenshot of fudo and shoha on a mob that i guess, kinda matters.

had some pics from 6 pil fights, but i guess it didnt save or something idk. but all these are from kaggen.

here is like 13 ss. some side notes: most of these were done with 4/5 shoha merits. ended up getting my last 19 merits in 6 pil and 6 kaggen fights.

my shoha set is lacking, im missing gorget and belt. plan on getting them after this post. dunno if beir+1 is better. either way couldnt buy it for 800k so i said *** it. spent the rest on heavy metal plates. also im using twilight helm and no tp bonus moonshade earring. my set does need a lot of work. and i know this lol.



that said, shoha is rather impressive. but i wouldnt go throwing you masamune away. 300 tp aftermath ride is well worth it on tp phase. ans fudo isnt even that bad. i did spam shoha a lot, but fudo wasnt that far behind. though with the right gear i believe the scale will tilt to shoha. they are good ws's. and masa is still a good weapon.

edit: on the second to last kaggen i got mekira meikogai!

is what i posted a few pages back.
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By Carbuncle.Kerokun 2011-12-25 05:01:44
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From my findings--without parse or anything--Fudo seems to be better than Shoha on mobs with little to no defense. EP Dynamis mobs that have low defense or high evasion, Fudo (I was disappointed far too much by one of Shoha's attacks missing on flies/hippogryphs). Abyssea XP mobs such as Abyssobugards, Fudo (at least using VV/RR/GC).

All others, SHOHA. If in doubt, use Shoha. Crab mob? SHOHA.

Voidwatch zerg: lay down dat lv. 3 Aftermath, then Shoha spam.

Only thing I hate is the chance to miss on one hit of Shoha, as it's very apparent when that happens. Guess it's time to break out the gorget/belt. D:
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By Ragnarok.Karaek 2011-12-25 06:49:21
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Hi guys, this is the set im using atm

It seems so be doing consistent 2>2.2k average dmg on T6 Jeunos (parsed)
Just wondered if theres anything i can improve the build with,
the ogi legs apparently add +3%ws dmg so started using these over hachi. Would the new avant+1 be better for sho or fudo?
Any advice would be welcome, thanks in advance.

This is my tp set also, 5hits w/ the ws build i use and has alot more str/atk than af3+2body/zelus combo

could cap out haste w/ aces feet and the stp+3 back but at a loss of 19atk and 11acc, so not sure if its worth it 2bh
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By Fenrir.Camaroz 2011-12-25 08:10:10
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is there any place for the prosilo belt or would the da- be more detrimental?
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By cosmolaris 2011-12-25 08:10:58
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Is thunder gorget and thunder belt aligned with this?
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By Cerberus.Taint 2011-12-25 08:40:59
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Fenrir.Camaroz said: »
is there any place for the prosilo belt or would the da- be more detrimental?


The att isn't doing much and the STR is equal to bier+1 so nope there is no use.
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By Fenrir.Camaroz 2011-12-25 08:44:10
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Cerberus.Taint said: »
Fenrir.Camaroz said: »
is there any place for the prosilo belt or would the da- be more detrimental?


The att isn't doing much and the STR is equal to bier+1 so nope there is no use.

thanks!!
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By Bismarck.Elanabelle 2011-12-25 09:22:51
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cosmolaris said: »
Is thunder gorget and thunder belt aligned with this?

Yes. Tachi:Shoha can use Breeze or Thunder Gorget/Belt.

Its primary skillchain attribute is Fragmentation.

I think that's something that many of you using Masamune might be missing. Tachi:Shoha fills the "missing link" that used to be in a SAM's Skillchain palate.

Spamming only Tachi:Shoha or only Tachi:Fudo is limiting your potential, in my opinion, unless you're in a group-zerg situation.
Especially if you're working with another SAM in your party/alliance.

Take 2 SAMs with 300% TP. Let's call them "Jim" and ... oh, how about "Tanaka":

Jim Sekkanoki
Jim Tachi:Kasha (200% TP remain)
Tanaka Sekkanoki
Tanaka Sengikori
Tanaka Tachi:Shoha >> Light (200% TP remain)
Jim Hagakure
Jim Meditate
Jim Tachi:Fudo >> Double Light (~40% TP remain, Meditate rising)
Tanaka Hagakure
Tanaka Meditate
Tanaka Tachi:Kasha (~40% TP remain, Meditate rising)
Jim Sengikori
Jim Tachi:Shoha >> Light
Tanaka Tachi:Fudo >> Double Light

Granted this takes some coordination, but shouldn't be difficult for experienced SAMs. Those Sengikori-boosted Double Light renkei bonuses could be gigantic.
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