Hmmm...A little surprised at how many people didn't know who Hitchens was.
I heard his a name a few times didn't really know who he was. For awhile today I actually had him confused with someone else, who I can't remember now, lol.
Dawkins? I liked Hitchens more than Dawkins.
Yeah that guy lol. Isn't he a physicist?
***! Who am I thinking of then?!? Why are your brain farts rubbing off on me? >:(
Or maybe an astronomer, lol. I'm all confused now.
Christmas celebrates the birth of Jesus. Is that not significant to Christianity?
Do you give presents on christmas? What does that have to do with Jesus?
Do you like to spend time with your family during christmas? What does that have to do with Jesus?
Do you put up a tree in your house? What does that have to do with Jesus?
Do you put lights up on the outside of your house? What does that have to do with Jesus?
Do you have kids, do you do the "santa thing" with them? What does that have to do with Jesus?
I'm sorry if it makes you a sad panda, but all the things that define christmas have pretty much nothing to do with christianity. In my house we have a tree, we put up lights, we spend time with family, and every christmas morning my kids open up presents that santa brought for them without a 2nd thought for some guy that probably never even existed 2000 years ago.
These days, christmas is about as secular is it gets.
Thats the point isn't it? Same thing with bless you but he's still getting upset over it and moreso than I thought anyone ever would.
These days, christmas is about as secular is it gets.
Thats the point isn't it? Same thing with bless you but he's still getting upset over it and moreso than I though anyone ever would.
Yeah, I personally don't see what the big deal is. Words and phrases change meaning over time. 99% of the time, the term "bless you" is not given for religious reasons, and for that reason I don't find it the slightest bit offensive.
With that said, I personally never say "bless you" when someone sneezes; I don't say anything. In a similar fashion, I say "happy holidays" instead of "merry christmas". But, I don't take offense when these phrases are directed toward me.
Wait a minute, was Hitchens the guy who was on the episode of Penn & Teller telling the truth about Mother Teresa?
Most likely.
Honestly, I kind of agreed with him that Pope John Paul XI(whatever-whatever-whatever) did jump the gun on putting Mother Theresa up for canonization. He did circumvent Papal protocol for an unsubstatiated account of Mother Theresa appearing after her death, if I remember correctly. (She died when I was in middle school. I don't remember when she was said to have made her post-mortum "miracle". High school maybe? Either way, it's not like Vatican politics was that much of an interest to me.)
Despite all that, I kind of thought he was an *** for giving the memory of a woman who devoted her life to charity a smack in the face. I liked Pope John Paul just fine, but I think by Canon Law they were suppose to wait. That's what the big stink was over, I think. :/
While I agree that he had monomaniacal phases, Hitchens had good reason to condemn that woman the way he did. Most people, quite predictably, know absolutely nothing about her. His book, The Missionary Position highlights her overwhelming flaws, including the maltreatment of countless dying occupants of her charitable organizations.
Christmas celebrates the birth of Jesus. Is that not significant to Christianity?
Spence is right! Sorry, but if an atheist celebrates Christmas you're not really sticking to your guns, are you? I mean...It's the same "cherry picking" you accuse religious people of doing. Just saying...
(No offense Spart, Xueye, Chaos, and a handful of others.)
What guns? I'm atheistic towards religious beliefs which doesn't mean I suddenly want Christmas to vanish. Atheists aren't bound by rules (it isn't a dogma so cherrypicking is ok) so what a man like Chris Hitchens believed can easily be called *** by another atheist with very little repercussion. If I call the Pope full of ***in a public gathering? Yeah guys, get the bodybags.
Of course most atheists would like to see those claims (against Hitchens) backed by evidence which fosters healthy debate, scrutiny of bad ideas, potential ridicule for spouting nonsense or an upset of the status quo every once in a while and indeed many people have criticized Hitchens ideas on Iraq and rightfully so.
The wonderful thing about atheism is you're free to pick and choose. People who get snooty about "bless you", "thank God", "Jesus Christ" or want Christmas turned into Xmas can fight that fight while I take those terms for what they are - religious words that have morphed over the years into common use words for situations much like Christmas has become a time of year you hang out with family and shake them down for money/gifts.
What would "Holy Crap" fall under anyway? Religious? Secular? Satanic? I'm confused.
My only repeated point is that as a religious believer there are rules set down that you must follow in order to be a part of the system and that by doing what you feel is right outside the system you're technically breaking the rules if you subscribe to the Bible being the unaltered world of God.
While I agree that he had monomaniacal phases, Hitchens had good reason to condemn that woman the way he did. Most people, quite predictably, know absolutely nothing about her. His book, The Missionary Position highlights her overwhelming flaws, including the maltreatment of countless dying occupants of her charitable organizations.
I never actually knew any of that.. But I just googled a quick run down of it, and damn. But to be fair, I never really knew anything about her.. Just that her name was used as a synonym for being saint like..
I have been reading various things of his for the last 3.5 hours and I got to say, I’m just not seeing his appeal. Let’s face it, he was no MLK Jr. I guess he could reach some people with his rants, but to change a mindset you have to actually have a solution and not just attack. And this guy, from what I can tell, just wanted to attack and that was his solution. Hell you can listen to his debates and tell that. I guess he managed to inspire some people but his method would never lead to any major change. I’m still going with he wasted a lifetime. If you want to think he was a great man, I can’t change that. I just hope that some other character that can put on a show comes around for you guys. *insert generalized statement referring to god or heavens that is just meant as a figure of speech* forbid people that actually bought into what he said as a solution be without another person to praise.
Do you know what would happen if the catholic church fell, or any other organized religion for that matter? Nothing, the problem is in the minds of people, not the church, so why did this guy focus on the church so much? I went to church. I don’t despise it. I consider myself a Christian. Do you want to know what I believe in? I have gay friends and am ok with them getting married. I used to have conversations with a Muslim and would consider the guy a friend. I never once spoke to him about Christianity being better and he was able to talk to me about the teachings of the Quran. We got along great. That is where humanity should be, I think. That is how we solve all these problems he mentioned, but yet he did not even follow his own teaching if that is what you are saying. This guy wanted piece but taught demonstrated hatred.
Maybe I’m generalizing too much again. From my experience, the solution is happening without the useless ramble of guys like this. 90% of the people my age that went to Sunday school and youth meetings on Wednesdays don’t do any of what he talks about. We all go out and have fun on weekends, have friends that don’t believe what we believe, study science (some even believe in evolution omg), and we all still believe in a heavenly father. So it seems like the solution this gentlemen offered up may have been faulty.
Again, you are welcome to think otherwise. If I see you on the street with an atheist and proud shirt, I won’t turn my nose up at talking to you. You may have some good insight about how it has changed your life. Arguing won’t change anything. If you treat me like a human should treat another then we don’t have a problem. This guy did not treat people this way. I’m not sad he died, not happy either. As I have said before, it happens.
You just surveyed a whole mans life in addmitingly 3.5 hours and failed. Try again and consider:
He was popular cause he was effective (why else would he be so? self evident proof). You can say his life was wasted and that this is your own opinion and we can have our own, just like you can also say 2 + 2 = 5 but you're just going to leave the rest of us dumbfounded at your own stupidity.
His life wasn't wasted, the whole point of his Book God is not great is a great example as to how even if religion is true, particularly Christianity, it is a very ugly thing, nothing any sane person or even moral person should choose to do. A lot of people read and bought this book, maybe not as many as have read your book, but i dont think its fair of you to say that just because your book was incredibly popular in comparison to say Hitchen's that his life was then completely wasted simply because he didn't have as big an impact on society as you