AG Is Recruiting Again.

Update: 12/14/11. We'll be doing a lot more VW now. If you're looking to get bodies from T3VWNM's please contact me asap. The new level cap will allow us to rock through these a bit easier.


We're running Dyna two nights a week, VW two nights a week, and Abby one night a week. Events are every night during the week at 7:00pm est. Besides VW we run a point based system based on time spent at the events. Check us out at:

http://abysseangods.forumotion.com/


And no, we will not finish your emp. You chose the lowman route, finish it that way.

Nitpicking, but do you have a rationalization for that? That essentially sends a message to your applicants of, "you chose not to let your progress stagnate while you weren't in a linkshell, so we're not going to help you with any projects you began."

Reasonably, you should encourage those who had the fortitude to begin an Empyrean without the assistance of a linkshell, as it shows a desire to progress even without a large group a their disposal, as well as the obvious benefit of not having to complete an entire trial for them,

I love ur avatar Egonn
12/10!

anywhere that is a wallpaper? I wanna add that to my collection.

We have people who show up and demand we finish their emps before the people who've been with us forever. It's not fair to the people in the shell that helped everyone else to be put behind someone that low manned theirs. I don't need 18 lvl 85 emps. I need good players with 90's and support. We need diversity, abyssea is over.



Thanks! Google Afremov or Daniel Wall.

Asking to be prioritized over other members is entirely different than refusing to finish a weapon for someone who just happened to have already started theirs before joining. The former makes sense, the latter does not.

And I hope it would be obvious that, assuming we're not talking about wracking up several different Empyreans for the same player that always comes WAR, building level 85 Empyreans for those who don't have them is ultimately more productive than taking other members' level 85 weapons to 90.

Well the problem is there are alot of people that got stuck with no chair when the music stopped and their empy group disolved after the leader(s) got his/hers/theirs finished and quit. And so Empyless and bitter they are either looking for people to "turn the table" on or help them out. Unfortunately, all the hard work/long hours and bitterness can't be easily transfered into a currancy your ls can appreciate or use. Your new linkshell isn't going to drop everything they are doing and focus on you the way you focused on the empy group and you will be disapointed with the progression because you are simply not going to get it done as fast as you helped someone else get theirs finished, it just aint gunna happen.

Right and while you see it as "fortitude (to leave your linkshell) to begin an empy" understand it could also be seen as common selfishness and impatience to wait for the rest of the group and while you bulldozed ahead and ditched all your friends back at the starting gate, we dilligently stayed behind and helped them get their +1s and +2s and stuff. So guess what? you get to start all over again at the bottom. Here's the mop.

And on the record we're sorry you got burned, welcome back to the fold, let's all get back to work etc. Off the record, lol, you got exactly what was coming to you, what did you expect, that'll learn ya stoopid, etc.

I think you misunderstood what I said. I'm not speaking on behalf of those who use resources to get what they want, only to abandon those who helped them shortly after. You may want to reread my posts.

We have 8-9 emps and 4 relics. I don't need another 85. If you have one, cool. But I'm not taking my LS back into abyssea endlessly to help someone who didn't help them. I just had three or four people join and expect us to finish their masamunes to 90 and it really pissed me off when they got bitchy and left after a week when my members wouldn't go in and brew isgebinds for them in their spare time to "help the shell." We're moving onto Dyna, VW and greener grass. If you want to play in abyssea, awesome. But I have people in my shell with 15 jobs full +2 and I understand why they want to move on.



Point is, we're looking for people to do Dyna and VW and perhaps some abyssea. If you're interested, apply :) You don't have to have awesome gear. I'd just like to fill up some spots when people can't show up.

You may want to reread it yourself from a diferent perspective.

You asked for a rationalization and I gave you one. There is nothing in the tos that says we have to agree.

Egonn's reply is probably more direct and to the point than mine.

Your reasoning seems all over the place. Two times now you've expressed irritation over individual players having grievances with the linkshell not prioritizing them off the bat which, again, is perfectly rational. Those who expect the world and then some the minute they join should be scolded. What isn't rational is denying the opportunity for what's almost unconditionally the largest improvement several jobs can possible make to their performance. You say you're moving on to Dynamis, which comparatively has very little to offer. You say you're moving to VW, which I'll agree has some very good equipment to offer(but again, doesn't compare to most of the major Empyrean weapons), but your benefit:time spent is tremendously in favor of helping those without Empyrean weapons.

My point is that, while I understand the desire to shift gears a bit, you shouldn't be entirely dismissing the idea of utilizing older and ultimately more beneficial content just because its older.

This.



You're talking about another LS that has leader and sacks with 15 emps. Not AG lol. And you didn't make it very clear what you were trying to say. We've helped literally everyone in our shell that helped everyone else.

No, really, everything you said had absolutely nothing to do with the point I was making. I even agreed with what you were saying, it just has no relevance to the conversation.

Oh Yeah?!

/rolled up newspaper beating

Who's posts are you two reading? I'm in no way condoning what you're both trying to discourage. I've been very specific several times now.

It takes 4 people to kill Apedamak now. If you wanted to low man something: Now is the time. That's all I'm saying. I have people in my shell with 15 full +2 jobs. You know how many hours you need to be in abyssea to do that lotting against an LS? I'm just saying we're not taking new applicants to finish their emps. We're minimizing Abbyssea as much as possible.

..Annd we're back on subject.

This is the mindset I've been addressing. I don't think you should be putting in manhours for those who don't wish to contribute, or those who feel their five minutes of residence in your linkshell constitutes a Verethragna, but there's no way to reasonably argue that getting an Empyrean weapon to 85 isn't, for several jobs, a larger improvement to your linkshell en mass than if you were to spend the same period of time doing Voidwatch.

When I already have an army... I don't really need to worry about making more emps. It's just a waste of time and the people who have been around forever are getting tired of killing sobek for the 300th time.

I'll do my best to illustrate what's illogical about what you're saying:

Say you have 17 people in your linkshell. Every melee has an Empyrean weapon.

You recruit an 18th member. This new member does not have an Empyrean weapon.

Getting said new member their Ukonvasura, Verethragna, Masamune, Ochain, Draubalabalabala is going to bolster your "army" significantly more than getting 2-3 members a shiny new body piece off of a VWNM, yet the former is a waste of time?


As I've already mentioned, wanting to shift gears to spice things up is perfectly reasonable, but outright denying an upgrade of that magnitude indefinitely to a new member is absolutely not.

What good would an 18th relic/emp do when I don't have room for a brd or a whm? It's a complete waste of time when I could get my whm that shiny heka body or my pld that mekira body. An entire LS of emps is cool, but I already have that.

When I already have an army... I don't really need to worry about making more emps. It's just a waste of time and the people who have been around forever are getting tired of killing sobek for the 300th time.

In my ls I have: A 90 arma, 90 aegis, 95 mandau, 95 gungnir, 2 90 ochains, 2 90 ukkons, 90 masa, 85 gamba, 2 rhongo's, 85 gandiva, 2 kannagi's, and 3 almaces. That's 18. I really underestimated how many we had earlier. My mistake. No need for your 18th person with an emp lol.

So you're only recruiting new members solely interested in playing mage jobs, then? You may want to specify that you both don't need their non-Empyrean DD or tank, and have no interest in helping them create one.

If this is how you want things to be, that's perfectly fine. I'm sure you'll still get new applicants, and your "army" will continue to run smoothly. Its an irrational methodology, though, and should be treated as such.

Wrong. I said: Don't worry about your gear. If you don't have an emp I don't care. But I also said I'm not finishing your 90. I have enough to do. I made everything perfectly clear. It's not irrational to say: I've done 18 emps. If you want to tag along and get gear with good players that's awesome. But we're not slaving for an emp you low manned when we don't need it. If you have one? Awesome. If you don't? Awesome. Mages, support, dd? Awesome. Get the point? I'm not finishing an emp. I'm recruiting player who want to play new content.

I'm not sure how you still continue to miss how what you're saying doesn't make sense.

1) We welcome your Empyrean-less DD

2) I have an army of Empyreans, so getting them for new members wouldn't be helpful


You cannot assert the two simultaneously. If you're letting new members without Empyrean weapons participate on non-mage jobs, you serve to benefit more from building them an Empyrean weapon. If you do not serve to benefit more from building non-Empyrean DD a weapon, its because you're not allowing them to play their non-Empyrean DD.

Pick an explanation and stick with it. If you want to act within your rights as the leader of this linkshell and not take the most rational approach to bolstering your roster, please, do so, but its not the most beneficial option, and asserting otherwise is nonsensical.

I implore you to not lose sight of the only question I've asked from the beginning of this thread to where we now stand: what's your rationalization? You don't have one? Neat. Just say so.

We welcome your emp-less dd! I have an army of emps so getting more is useless. In case one of my emp players needs to play cor or whm because someone isn't on, in the case of versatility: I would rather have a widowmaker war than NO ONE. Does this make sense now?

And no: I'm not taking an LS of 18 people out for three days to fight glavoid, another three days to fight itzy and three days to fight orthrus simply to make sure I have an ukkon instead of a widowmaker one night a week. That's just stupid.

No, it doesn't make sense, but I now realize you aren't likely to ever see the fallacy in your reasoning, so I'll show myself out.

Good luck with recruitment.

Simple corrections:

If you want to instantly get an Empyrean weapon - This is not the LS for you.

If you like to cry about how you don't have something but everyone else does - This is not the LS for you.

If you think the world revolves around you and only you - This is not the LS for you.

If you think its ok to run around jumping from group to group like I(Egonn) did back when abyssea was first coming out to accomplish your weapons - This is not the LS for you. (Hi Nabis!)

"Abyssea is over guys."

Correct :) But we were a Limbus Shell that went to new material instead of getting everyone homam. I never had to jump ship on my shell haha.

lol, i thought 2007 style linkshells that used new people to get old people gear were dead. Guess not.

It's sad the bitter people stayed bitter. If you were in a ***LS, you should have left. I only have two pieces of homam. Just stay low man and join shout groups for your VW lol. That way the leader can't hop on your character and transfer all that R/E stuff to their character to make you correct about anything you say ;)

If abyssea is over I guess your time as it's gods are over too?

I wasn't in a ***LS, i was in a great LS that wasn't anything like yours lol