I forgot that we're all talking about ABYSSEA here.
Usefulness factor in about 15% of the actual game, LETZFIGHT'BOUTITKAI?!
Also, WE'RE NOT AT THE 99 CAP YET. So saying that certain jobs are obsolete in Abyssea or in certain situations is ridiculous. Just like "Relics aren't up to par with Emps", they're not in their final stage, they'll have their own use, they'll have their own superior traits.
If all you can say is "this job is so much better than this job IN ABYSSEA", then you need to stfu because you obviously are ignoring what's to come, and what has been here.
Umm... you were the one talking about using RDM in ABYSSEA because it's better than BLM in ABYSSEA....
What point are you trying to make exactly? We're talking about the NOW not the future. I even stated RDM might have a place if they create Salvage-like content, or if there are hard HNMs. Get the *** out with your pointless arguments.
What Night said. And they're really only useful for probably Voidwatch(haven't specifically done it), and Salvage Arrapago for nuking QQs and keeping up a haste/phal2 cycle.
wait wait wait, Phalanx 2? When did that start being better?
Never done Salvage?
You're naked when you enter. WHM loses all its refresh gear and more importantly AF3+2 legs. Phalanx II with decent enhancing skill is enough to negate nearly all damage taken if you dispel enemy spikes, Regen II covers the rest. WHM *can* manage it but not as easily and the upper floors are easy enough that your choice of healer is irrelevant by then.
I've had a little experience with Salvage. Let's say I had other things to focus on back then. But I see what you're saying. My counter-point would have been having /SCH and accession-phalanx, then I remembered subjobs are locked too.
I got threatened by some Japanese players yesterday when I kept spamming /jobemote whm on a dead person :(
back a couple years ago this jp dude checked me, and i figured he was jp so i spammed him like five times back without even saying a word and then he sent me tells saying he GM'd me and whatnot
What Night said. And they're really only useful for probably Voidwatch(haven't specifically done it), and Salvage Arrapago for nuking QQs and keeping up a haste/phal2 cycle.
wait wait wait, Phalanx 2? When did that start being better?
Never done Salvage?
You're naked when you enter. WHM loses all its refresh gear and more importantly AF3+2 legs. Phalanx II with decent enhancing skill is enough to negate nearly all damage taken if you dispel enemy spikes, Regen II covers the rest. WHM *can* manage it but not as easily and the upper floors are easy enough that your choice of healer is irrelevant by then.
I've had a little experience with Salvage. Let's say I had other things to focus on back then. But I see what you're saying. My counter-point would have been having /SCH and accession-phalanx, then I remembered subjobs are locked too.
Yeah :x I didn't do it too much back at 75 either. It's not too bad now, especially since droprates don't suck anymore. Should go get an Ares Cuirass for Torcleaver!
What Night said. And they're really only useful for probably Voidwatch(haven't specifically done it), and Salvage Arrapago for nuking QQs and keeping up a haste/phal2 cycle.
wait wait wait, Phalanx 2? When did that start being better?
Never done Salvage?
You're naked when you enter. WHM loses all its refresh gear and more importantly AF3+2 legs. Phalanx II with decent enhancing skill is enough to negate nearly all damage taken if you dispel enemy spikes, Regen II covers the rest. WHM *can* manage it but not as easily and the upper floors are easy enough that your choice of healer is irrelevant by then.
I've had a little experience with Salvage. Let's say I had other things to focus on back then. But I see what you're saying. My counter-point would have been having /SCH and accession-phalanx, then I remembered subjobs are locked too.
Yeah :x I didn't do it too much back at 75 either. It's not too bad now, especially since droprates don't suck anymore. Should go get an Ares Cuirass for Torcleaver!
I'd like to, then I'm constantly torn between that and Twilight Mail, lol.
I got threatened by some Japanese players yesterday when I kept spamming /jobemote whm on a dead person :(
back a couple years ago this jp dude checked me, and i figured he was jp so i spammed him like five times back without even saying a word and then he sent me tells saying he GM'd me and whatnot
good times
I /checked our local hyper-xenophobic JP once... I dunno, two months ago? He spam checked me yesterday, first time I'd seen him since then. I'd almost forgotten the event but apparently /check is like insulting one's ancestors or something.
I forgot that we're all talking about ABYSSEA here.
Usefulness factor in about 15% of the actual game, LETZFIGHT'BOUTITKAI?!
Also, WE'RE NOT AT THE 99 CAP YET. So saying that certain jobs are obsolete in Abyssea or in certain situations is ridiculous. Just like "Relics aren't up to par with Emps", they're not in their final stage, they'll have their own use, they'll have their own superior traits.
If all you can say is "this job is so much better than this job IN ABYSSEA", then you need to stfu because you obviously are ignoring what's to come, and what has been here.
15% of the game content maybe, not 15% of people's time.
Secondly, I've never said anything is obsolete. Thirdly, Relics stack up to Emps just fine. Lastly, you're right, we aren't at the 99 cap yet, but this doesn't help the RDM cause. People are GUESSING and WISHING that rdm gets cure 5, people KNOW BLM is getting Thunder V, Thundaja, Blizzaja, Meteor, and Death. so BLM WILL get stronger (fact), what will rdm do?
Maybe I'm just trying to be oldschool here and being adamant about RDM>BLM.
Proc-wise, I'm sure BLM/WHM would be better than having a RDM, since proc'ing is your goal. But what the blm's of this thread are making it sound like is that BLM > RDM in ALL situations in abyssea.
I got threatened by some Japanese players yesterday when I kept spamming /jobemote whm on a dead person :(
back a couple years ago this jp dude checked me, and i figured he was jp so i spammed him like five times back without even saying a word and then he sent me tells saying he GM'd me and whatnot
good times
I /checked our local hyper-xenophobic JP once... I dunno, two months ago? He spam checked me yesterday, first time I'd seen him since then. I'd almost forgotten the event but apparently /check is like insulting one's ancestors or something.
sounds like my kind of jp
Leviathan.Quetzacoatl said:
ftfy
funny thing is that a friend of mine commonly uses that video as a response in yes or no type scenarios, amusing how i kinda forgot about it there
I forgot that we're all talking about ABYSSEA here.
Usefulness factor in about 15% of the actual game, LETZFIGHT'BOUTITKAI?!
Also, WE'RE NOT AT THE 99 CAP YET. So saying that certain jobs are obsolete in Abyssea or in certain situations is ridiculous. Just like "Relics aren't up to par with Emps", they're not in their final stage, they'll have their own use, they'll have their own superior traits.
If all you can say is "this job is so much better than this job IN ABYSSEA", then you need to stfu because you obviously are ignoring what's to come, and what has been here.
15% of the game content maybe, not 15% of people's time.
Secondly, I've never said anything is obsolete. Thirdly, Relics stack up to Emps just fine. Lastly, you're right, we aren't at the 99 cap yet, but this doesn't help the RDM cause. People are GUESSING and WISHING that rdm gets cure 5, people KNOW BLM is getting Thunder V, Thundaja, Blizzaja, Meteor, and Death. so BLM WILL get stronger (fact), what will rdm do?
Proc-wise, I'm sure BLM/WHM would be better than having a RDM, since proc'ing is your goal. But what the blm's of this thread are making it sound like is that BLM > RDM in ALL situations in abyssea.
Problem with Abyssea is most of the time you're there you're trying to proc, hence why BLM > RDM. Otherwise if you're not trying to proc WHM > RDM. RDM doesn't really have a place in Abyssea anymore.
Proc-wise, I'm sure BLM/WHM would be better than having a RDM, since proc'ing is your goal. But what the blm's of this thread are making it sound like is that BLM > RDM in ALL situations in abyssea.
Problem with Abyssea is most of the time you're there you're trying to proc, hence why BLM > RDM. Otherwise if you're not trying to proc WHM > RDM. RDM doesn't really have a place in Abyssea anymore.
But my point was having the versatility. BLM will always have the strongest nukes, WHM will always have the best cures, RDM will always be a mix of the two with the best enfeebs.
I'm not seeing the relevance. We know what BLM is getting because they already mined the spell .dats. Though the only BLM ones I remember off the top of my head are Stun II, Death and Meteor, the other ones I'm assuming are just based on logic from the spells we currently have.
I'm not seeing the relevance. We know what BLM is getting because they already mined the spell .dats. Though the only BLM ones I remember off the top of my head are Stun II, Death and Meteor, the other ones I'm assuming are just based on logic from the spells we currently have.
i think they are trying to point out what rdm is getting, which isn't going to make rdm anymore relevant inside abyssea.
But my point was having the versatility. BLM will always have the strongest nukes, WHM will always have the best cures, RDM will always be a mix of the two with the best enfeebs.
This game revolves around who's best in what niche, not who's good at everything, sadly. RDM's niche is enfeebling, Refresh II, and MP management, and that's just how it is. Unfortunately none of those things are important in the current era (besides maybe Voidwatch, etc).
I'm not seeing the relevance. We know what BLM is getting because they already mined the spell .dats. Though the only BLM ones I remember off the top of my head are Stun II, Death and Meteor, the other ones I'm assuming are just based on logic from the spells we currently have.
i think they are trying to point out what rdm is getting, which isn't going to make rdm anymore relevant inside abyssea.
Yes because you know exactly what the new enfeeb spells are, right
Also having 0 recast timer for the next spell you cast has no place either.
Since when is blm getting Death? I know about Meteor and such, but Death? Nice... oh btw, f yo blm, f yo rdm, f yo whm... its all about SCH BABY!!! lol... seriously ITT: a funny song paraody about rdm turns ugly... fast :p Where is the love folks?
Yes because you know exactly what the new enfeeb spells are, right Also having 0 recast timer for the next spell you cast has no place either.
Having new enfeebles aren't going to make RDM more useful inside of Abyssea. The way it is now works fine, so having one extra enfeeble won't do anything besides make life easier, it's not necessary. :/
Since when is blm getting Death? I know about Meteor and such, but Death? Nice... oh btw, f yo blm, f yo rdm, f yo whm... its all about SCH BABY!!! lol... seriously ITT: a funny song paraody about rdm turns ugly... fast :p Where is the love folks?
I said something I guess. I really apologize for the flaming but, I tend to get really defensive about my jobs.
I really do hate playing RDM lol, but being on it so much I really don't want to see it being obsolete.
My Red Mage brings all the playas to the yard
And they're like
No don't change jobs,
Wait a sec, I'll go change jobs,
I could let you,
But I have to log
My Red Mage brings all the playas to the yard
And they're like
No don't change jobs,
Wait a sec, I'll go change jobs,
I could let you,
But I have to log
I know you want it,
Don't try to fool me,
What the White mages go crazy for.
They lose their minds,
That 6mp goes,
One tic at a time
La la-la la la,
Saboteur your mob.
Lala-lalala,
Pro Shell 'fresh haste me
La la-la la la,
Saboteur your mob.
Lala-lalala,
Pro Shell 'fresh haste me
My Red Mage brings all the playas to the yard
And they're like
No don't change jobs,
Wait a sec, I'll go change jobs,
I could let you,
But I have to log
My Red Mage brings all the playas to the yard
And they're like
No don't change jobs,
Wait a sec, I'll go change jobs,
I could let you,
But I have to log
I can see you want it,
Refresh and haste that makes ye,
Spells that can save the mages,
Yeah I'll toss it on,
Just know, I'm not having fun,
I'm about to run,
La la-la la la,
I'm tired of this job,
La la-la la la,
I think I'll log,
La la-la la la,
I'm tired of this job,
La la-la la la,
I think I'll log,
My Red Mage brings all the playas to the yard
And they're like
No don't change jobs,
Wait a sec, I'll go change jobs,
I could let you,
But I have to log
My Red Mage brings all the playas to the yard
And they're like
No don't change jobs,
Wait a sec, I'll go change jobs,
I could let you,
But I have to log
So much work no pay,
Don't wanna play this anymo',
So take caution when I say,
Red Mage is not the way to go,
It's the perfect blend,
Of light and dark spells,
Leveling red mage will send,
You into eternal hell,
Lala-lalala,
10 seconds to delete
Lala-lalala,
Now my character will be free,
Lala-lalala,
10 seconds to delete
Lala-lalala,
Now my character will be free,
My Red Mage brings all the playas to the yard
And they're like
No don't change jobs,
Wait a sec, I'll go change jobs,
I could let you,
But I have to log
My Red Mage brings all the playas to the yard
And they're like
No don't change jobs,
Wait a sec, I'll go change jobs,
I could let you,
But I have to log
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Sorry, I was waiting to go in Abyssea for a LSE, and while standing there on Red Mage (the job that I am always on), I got bored, and wanted to vent my frustration.
