Leviathan.Alkalinejoe said:
rng
The Top 5 DD
The Top 5 DD
RNG is better than sam
You jelly mad butt ravaged.
You jelly mad butt ravaged.
Gilgamesh.Hunewearl said:
People still play BLU?
Someone need to tell them that it's not 2006 anymore, JoT is probably the last and only time I ever remember a BLU being remotely interesting/useful/worth bringing over an afk person.
Someone need to tell them that it's not 2006 anymore, JoT is probably the last and only time I ever remember a BLU being remotely interesting/useful/worth bringing over an afk person.
In a nutshell anyone who talks ***about any job just shows how little they understand about that job.
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Gilgamesh.Hunewearl said:
Fenrir.Skarwind said:
Leviathan.Draylo said:
Gilgamesh.Hunewearl said:
People still play BLU?
Someone need to tell them that it's not 2006 anymore, JoT is probably the last and only time I ever remember a BLU being remotely interesting/useful/worth bringing over an afk person.
On topic:
Let's do it VS fighting style:
S - SAM
A - WAR
B - DRK
C - The rest.
Someone need to tell them that it's not 2006 anymore, JoT is probably the last and only time I ever remember a BLU being remotely interesting/useful/worth bringing over an afk person.
On topic:
Let's do it VS fighting style:
S - SAM
A - WAR
B - DRK
C - The rest.
lol
I can't put SAM ahead of WAR, even when it was the bandwagon job of choice lol..
derp.
We need to do this *** again, but, with meds like Vile Elixir/+1. sup.
We need to do this *** again, but, with meds like Vile Elixir/+1. sup.
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Solo DNC and DD DNC are two different beasts, though a good solo DNC can mix in some of the DD traits and not take all day to kill the NM. 35% haste, defense down + crit evasion down with the ability to get back more TP than was spent, ~21% DA from Saber Dance, and 48% DW makes for a pretty good DD in unbuffed situations.
You do raise a good point though for the overall discussion, RNG loses almost nothing in unbuffed situations.
Yea I'm not saying DNC is terrible for DD, it obviously is amazing for solo and great support while contributing DD as well in a party. But I was just kind of shocked to hear it listed in top 5 / top tier DD. To top it off wouldn't the DNC need subjob and someone else tanking to even get it semi-close to top tier?
I mean even outside of Abyssea will a DNC beat NIN for DD?
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Phoenix.Fredjan said:
Pandemonium.Ironguy said:
Asura.Yunalaysca said:
not mentioning the atmas/buffs/sub used to obtain 11k on rudra's on a piercing-weak monster type
lol
Let's not forget that one needs like 50% tp or some ***to use Striking Flourish <.<
Anyways, we need to do this *** again, but, with meds like Vile Elixir/+1. sup.
Also, I wouldn't count on Ryuu drg <.< OAT lance would probably perform better in the long run.
Cerberus.Tidalecko said:
SAM WAR DRG DRK type of jobs get CRUSHED by blu.
skip ahead to 5:37; probably the best blu on all of pandemonium tbh (he'd use mind blast at the start of rounds and paralyze the heck out of me, a tactic i've never seen used before by any other blu ever before until then, though sadly he spammed meds like crazy), and i wasn't even elvaan back then >:(
Shiva.Flionheart said:
RNG is better than sam
You jelly mad butt ravaged.
You jelly mad butt ravaged.
job with red procs > job with none, regardless of damage provided
only time you should ever want to see a rng inside abyssea is wide scan for tahrongi monsters, building glavoid sets (minicow and aids), but even then that's covered by a whm/rng
Carbuncle.Tweeek said:
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
I would think your RNG would out perform a DNC. I've seen many DNCs take a long time to solo NMs, the good ones eventually kill it (with no procs) the bad ones just die trying.
You do raise a good point though for the overall discussion, RNG loses almost nothing in unbuffed situations.
Yea I'm not saying DNC is terrible for DD, it obviously is amazing for solo and great support while contributing DD as well in a party. But I was just kind of shocked to hear it listed in top 5 / top tier DD. To top it off wouldn't the DNC need subjob and someone else tanking to even get it semi-close to top tier?
I mean even outside of Abyssea will a DNC beat NIN for DD?[/quote]
yes easily, let alone that blade hi is crap outside, dnc builds tp far easier and attacks faster.
Carbuncle.Tweeek said:
I mean even outside of Abyssea will a DNC beat NIN for DD?
oh wow, I didn't know Striking Flourish only requires 2 finishing moves *shrug* I remember Byrth saying something along the lines of 50% tp or some ***.
Anyways, -IF- you're able to use meds, BLU sure wins.
Cerberus.Tidalecko said:
In a nutshell anyone who talks ***about any job just shows how little they understand about that job.
I'm not talking ***about DNC but I have no problem admitting that I don't know everything about it
Pandemonium.Ironguy said:
Shiva.Flionheart said:
RNG is better than sam
You jelly mad butt ravaged.
You jelly mad butt ravaged.
job with red procs > job with none, regardless of damage provided
only time you should ever want to see a rng inside abyssea is wide scan for tahrongi monsters, building glavoid sets (minicow and aids), but even then that's covered by a whm/rng
You seem angry
Phoenix.Fredjan said:
Carbuncle.Tweeek said:
I mean even outside of Abyssea will a DNC beat NIN for DD?
also who is gonna hold hate to make innin that much more worth while.
Carbuncle.Tweeek said:
Cerberus.Tidalecko said:
In a nutshell anyone who talks ***about any job just shows how little they understand about that job.
I'm not talking ***about DNC but I have no problem admitting that I don't know everything about it
Shiva.Flionheart said:
You seem angry
Phoenix.Fredjan said:
Also, I wouldn't count on Ryuu drg <.< OAT lance would probably perform better in the long run.
What?! Are you crazy?
Pandemonium.Ironguy said:
Shiva.Flionheart said:
You seem angry
Lies.
I originally played MNK and WAR. Then, I heard the noise of a GK striking an enemy and I thought "wow, I want to play that job that has the nice striking sound". When I discovered it was SAM, I rushed for it, simply.
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September 2004©
Pandemonium.Ironguy said:
Cerberus.Tidalecko said:
SAM WAR DRG DRK type of jobs get CRUSHED by blu.
skip ahead to 5:37; probably the best blu on all of pandemonium tbh (he'd use mind blast at the start of rounds and paralyze the heck out of me, a tactic i've never seen used before by any other blu ever before until then), and i wasn't even elvaan back then >:(
Shiva.Flionheart said:
RNG is better than sam
You jelly mad butt ravaged.
You jelly mad butt ravaged.
job with red procs > job with none, regardless of damage provided
only time you should ever want to see a rng inside abyssea is wide scan for tahrongi monsters, building glavoid sets (minicow and aids), but even then that's covered by a whm/rng
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Most people played SAM after watching too many Anime's and they want to really be Ichigo.
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Pandemonium.Ironguy said:
Shiva.Flionheart said:
RNG is better than sam
You jelly mad butt ravaged.
You jelly mad butt ravaged.
job with red procs > job with none, regardless of damage provided
only time you should ever want to see a rng inside abyssea is wide scan for tahrongi monsters, building glavoid sets (minicow and aids), but even then that's covered by a whm/rng
SAM (Assuming /WAR 7 total)-Koki/Jinpu/Raiden/Seraph Blade/Seraph Strike/RLB/Earth Crusher
RNG (Assuming /WAR 6 total )-Earth Crusher/Cyclone/Energy Drain/Seraph Strike/Seraph Blade/RLB
I think the generous amount of Blue procs during piercing more than makes up for the whopping 2 red procs SAM has over RNG.
Edit: Forgot RLB, so wow, only 1 more than RNG.
Leviathan.Alkalinejoe said:
If you need Red that much, scrap both and bring a NIN and/or WAR.
that's my point: neither jobs are even ideal, but samurai's still a step above regardless
blue triggering i'm hardly even concerned over (nor should you be), for the fact that the only drop these days that people're missing blue-wise is zelus tiara and a mere handful of other worthwhile drops (shinryu stuff, etc), which to get around that, just merely do something else until it's blunt/slashing for warrior to manipulate blue with
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Most people played SAM after watching too many Anime's and they want to really be Ichigo.
i loathe all types of anime, for the record; closest i've ever got to it was cowboy bebop, and that's only because a friend of mine (and his friends) said i looked like spike, which at the time i'm like, who's that
Bahamut.Serj said:
Phoenix.Fredjan said:
Also, I wouldn't count on Ryuu drg <.< OAT lance would probably perform better in the long run.
What?! Are you crazy?
Phoenix.Fredjan said:
Carbuncle.Tweeek said:
I mean even outside of Abyssea will a DNC beat NIN for DD?
oh wow, I didn't know Striking Flourish only requires 2 finishing moves *shrug* I remember Byrth saying something along the lines of 50% tp or some ***.
Anyways, -IF- you're able to use meds, BLU sure wins.
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Pandemonium.Ironguy said:
Shiva.Flionheart said:
You seem angry
Lies.
You are pretty mad bro, Flion is right.
blu has five red staggers, sam has eight
Pandemonium.Ironguy said:
Leviathan.Alkalinejoe said:
If you need Red that much, scrap both and bring a NIN and/or WAR.
that's my point: neither jobs are even ideal, but samurai's still a step above regardless
blue triggering i'm hardly even concerned over (nor should you be), for the fact that the only drop these days that people're missing blue-wise is zelus tiara and a mere handful of other worthwhile drops (shinryu stuff, etc), which to get around that, just merely do something else until it's blunt/slashing for warrior to manipulate blue with
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Most people played SAM after watching too many Anime's and they want to really be Ichigo.
i loathe all types of anime, for the record; closest i've ever got to it was cowboy bebop, and that's only because a friend of mine (and his friends) said i looked like spike, which at the time i'm like, who's that
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