Ebisu Fishing Rod = Relic

After reading thru the entire 8 pages of posting on whether Ebisu deserves to be worth rank points or just being on your page for decoration I've seen only 1 argument against it. People saying it can be botted. Regardless of whether it can be botted or not the debate is to the item being earned, and points being awarded. Botting is against the rules and should not even be factored into this debate. If this item is earned it should most definitely yield a great number of points based on how hard it is to get w/out breaking the rules. Leveling fishing is extremely difficult, and thus worth its points alone. Questing Ebisu is also difficult, and very time consuming. I agree Ebisu should definitely yield rank points as it is the best possible fishing rod to obtain. Even if you are the luckiest player on the game and go 1/1 on both KI there is still a lot of work put in to get the Serpent Rumors KI and the necessary skill level of 78+.

Any means of obtaining this item illegally should not be a factor in deciding if its worth achievement points because every aspect of this game can be done by a bot believe it or not!

The real problem isn't that the game fails in letting you change and swap gear as effortlessly and as quickly as you can with spellcast, the real problem with the game is that we are allowed and encouraged (almost required) to do such ridiculous gear swaps. I think most have agreed it was not SEs intent to have each person completely swap their gear every 2 seconds to different sets for every single spell etc. SE made sure not to go down the same path on XIV by creating limitations around gear swapping. inb4XIVfailed

In tweeek's defense nearly every post here talks about botting.

I sold 10 gugs to to someone who got the opal thread from mog bonanza and then went 1/1 on the shoot. I was pissed~ lol >.>

we've talked about it in the context of whether it should be factored into achievement points

whether it's good/bad/right/wrong is an entirely different subject

Oh and for the whole crafting cost money argument. So does fishing. Not even talking about bait which who cares. You need lu shangs. They are rarely up for sale and are usually 3-4mil. If you decide to just buy the fish since you don't see any up it usually actually costs a bit more... not to mention all the time that goes into trading and getting 10k fish. And lets say you fish it up so it is "free". On a single character that is almost 2 months of fishing most of which isn't skilling up anymore or getting any money fish. Which you add that to the time it takes to get to 100 and ebisu or whatever that comes out to alot more gil.

Hell I've made 150k while posting in this thread from fishing

not to mention either the ra/ex bait or rings you'll have to fish up to pull them in/not get banned for being a completely obvious botter

i hadn't even thought of this, i'd honestly repressed the nightmarish memories of fishing up my lu's, but i absolutely agree

I'm tired of fighting Hakuryu from yesterday, but I should of been fishing instead of doing nothing lol.

That's true. That's why you have to acknowledge botting as part of the distributive property in this discussion. If you factor it in, factor in for everything. If you factor it out, factor it out for everything.

Yeah if I fished like I used to I'd have so much more. But nowadays I'm only really at the comp not actually playing for maybe 6-8 hours a day. God I'd have a relic by now if I knew about these/they existed back when I was just doing other random ***like trumpets or stuff in nashmau or messing around with matsya when I was fishing til fatigue regardless of length.


Btw just caught 2 more

the real subject here is since you are ballin outta control sev, how quickly are gonna buy me a roundel when I come to carby as a welcoming present? kthnxbai <3

I'm not so sure of that. Sure, windower is against the rules. But why make all this gear to enhance stoneskin, aquaviel, cures, nukes. They want us to make complicated gear sets and it is possible through the current macro system if your obsessive enough. But you couldn't pull that off for long and would end up quit changing your gear all together working that hard. No its not hard to do macro's I'm saying to hit your fast cast macro, cast, switch to your midcast macro so you can unlock the full potential of the job then switch back to your idle gear where you benefit from refresh and -dmg taken and movementspeed or w/e you choose to use, is hard and no one would do it and settle for less. Spellcast eliminates human fatigue and does what you've always wanted out of your job. I'm not against it at all since it is almost the only way you can unlock the full potential of any job without breaking your fingers~

SE should just upgrade the macro system then no one would need spellcast. But PS2 limitations~

I think SE pulled an oh shi... in the game and realized the path they were headed down and just decided to run with it. Look at how much fast cast gear was around back in the day or haste gear (switching TP to WS) I think if you look at how the gear was back in the day it was never meant to be so insanely gear swap happy, as they released more and more cool gear people realized they could maximize each and every little action they do with it's own specific gear piece. Back before all the goals were pretty simple stack a specific attribute depending on what job you were on.

As for everything you're saying, yea it would be hard to pull off precasts but idle sets are doable and hMP and TPvsWS all without spellcast and windower. I used to do them all but precasts before I decided to start using windower again (back in 2007 windower was used so we could alt+tab and a few other things when I came back in 2010 the game let you run in a windowed mode by default so I didn't think I needed it anymore)

Just not quite as efficient as someone with spellcast, doesn't mean it's going to make or break someone. It's not like people on PS2 aren't able to kill NMs. I play with windower and am able to change 16 slots at a time, I love the ease of not having to run multiple macros to get on the gear I want per spell and I can just run 1 macro. I'm constantly going to my idle set with a flick of a macro when I can but I know if compared to someone with spellcast they would be more efficient than me in terms of putting on their idle set. I guess they are more efficient than me because they can atomize a bunch of other stuff like casting shadows, or taking the thought process out of weather and day bonuses and ***like that.

Either way I have fun, I do well at my job and am as efficient as I can without taking control from my hands or automating things. Maybe I miss out on a few refresh ticks not having my serp set on as often as possible but we still get everything done that we need to.

going 1/1 on both,i think no one ever did, if you carefully read posts about ebisu holders.since the most common is 1/300 on both,and there are lots ppl that went 1/1000+ on both.bot on not bot,getting an ebisu can be more time consuming than a relic if you get unlucky.if you decide to buy em,as gugru is worth 20k, 1000 gugru are 20 millions worth of fish.and there arent many ppl willing to catch it for you lately.even whit both maybe getting 3-5 gugru per ferry travel,not mention rings ecc. unless you are a complete cheater,and maybe you get banned after few tries,it does NOT mean its an easy duty to get an ebisu,not at all.i did my emp 85 in 6 days,i got ebisu in 4 months after i was 100 and had almost all GP items and alba +penguin rings ecc.i went very lucky on both and i buyed lotta gugrus too.i think emp should be worth 1/10 points an ebisu would ^^

Of course its not going to make or break. I'm simply saying it unlocks the full potential for people wanting to hit it. And yes you can automate actions in spellcast but there is a line to what is good and what is bad. I'm sure everyone knows where that line is when it comes to spellcast.

As much as I agree, I don't think it should. Fishing is already worth 5000 and ebisu shouldn't enhance that much more. I'm fine with recognition with no points, I just think ebisu owners deserve the recognition on their player page.

Lvling jobs that can use and therefore actually make and emp also gives you points.

And if anyone is actually selling them for 20k now it's because they are either really really nice people or are just too stupid to realize there are places where you can make so much more faster without having to go to the trouble of getting rings and getting on/off boats etc etc etc

True...

I see no problem with this other than I see potential users QQing for other specific items and the list could grow and grow. I do also feel if they do this with the Ebisu they should do it with Maat's cap.

Just saying in the time it took me to just get the fish either from buying or actually fishing up ie not counting time to lvl to 100 or get gp items like body and serpent rumors or get the ring I could fish up enough money to buy a relic. And I got relatively lucky

In fact I plan on actually trying to get anni from fishing money ^^

:O Good Luck!

I'll need it since my time at the comp is going to be alot more limited now. Bleh stupid working again

I cut the post short, but this is why I left the thread open. We're not going to tell you that the topic is taboo now. Jaerik simply gave our current stance on it.

Stay on topic.

Whether or not anything changes with ebisu becoming an achievement, a 0 point achievement, or remains the same as it is, this has been the most viewed topic in 7-8 months in the suggestions section which I think tells a lot about the importance of this issue.

I do hope the admins change their minds about ebisu as it (can be) one of the hardest things to obtain in the game currently. I know it is my greatest achievement that is unrecognized while Empyerians are recognized and are made in a few days by some.

I think the pros far outweigh the cons of adding it as an achievement. Boting is not a factor for many reasons. First, boting is against the TOS and should not be supported by FFXIAH and even advise players to not reveal names of said programs. Second, you can bot to farm the gil to buy a relic. Third, you can bot to earn levels for higher achievement points. Fourth, you can bot to level crafts. Fifth, you can bot to campaign :P and get achievement points. To not let ebisu be an achievement because some players bot is contradictory since others are not punished because of it.

If the 5000 achievement points is a factor for having 100 fishing then don't make Ebisu a point achievement, just a noteworthy achievement on the players page.

If it is luck based far more people end up having to turn in over 300 of each. Priced at 30k each for 300 lik and 300 gugs that's 18,000,000 gil worth of fish. At 1000 lik and 1000 gugs that's 600,000,000 gil which people have done.

My current stance on the topic is: To recognize ebisu owners for their resolve even if its not worth any achievement points. Fishermen who own ebisu already have a sense of pride of succeeding, but I feel it is something that should be recognized just like any relic or empyrean is.

Relics on this site: 2580
Mythics on this site: 94
Empyreans on this site: 2595
Ebisu's on this site: 763

Pretty bad that Empyreans have passed Relics now... lol

Looks like mythics are the hardest by those numbers.

burtang and yagrush are the only 2 good mythics.. all the rest are just a waste of time

not to rain on your parade and go way off topic but there are a few other factors to consider here.

A) It was made by a purple.. people click green/purple/red threads much more than others.

B) Most Rated Up Post in the thread.



I do think there is something to talk about just saying A&B helped those numbers, if it didn't create a ton of work for the admins I would support a plea for the graphic without points like you're asking for.

All this is definitely true.

I can definitely see just making an Ebisu visible but with no points. Best of both sides of the argument.

Also what is purple for anyway?