Ukko's Fury Setup
Ukko's Fury Setup
Althyk said: »
So 5~6 STP in Blupleberk, I can use Pho & Mars'?
Basically get DA+3 on your berk, then try to get that DA+3 mixxed with 4 or higher stp, then when you get 4+ stp, can rep tyrants with mars. Then Phorcys head/rajas/berk/brutal should be enough stp to 6hit
Sweet Thanks Taru
I keep seeing people post the Hec hands +1 for WS, how good are the Phorcys Mitts for ws then?
I'm trying to get more wins in on Nyzul and can't decide on getting the Phorcys Mitts or Phorcys Salade next (for tp, using a Zelus Tierra currently).
I'm trying to get more wins in on Nyzul and can't decide on getting the Phorcys Mitts or Phorcys Salade next (for tp, using a Zelus Tierra currently).
Get Phorcys head first.
Mitts are good for ws IF you arent getting any bonus crit rate buffs (ie champions drink, blood rage) or you dont have 4% crit dmg hands.
Mitts are good for ws IF you arent getting any bonus crit rate buffs (ie champions drink, blood rage) or you dont have 4% crit dmg hands.
Starting work on my Ukon now, been working on my WAR for a long time, I feel like my sets are pretty good, just want a little feedback, mainly on sTP.
TP:
Zerk Up:
Zerk Down:
Main questions, should I use Phasmida over Goading, I know I'm at 25% haste, but I figured the sTP would be more useful, not sure if I'm over shooting for a 6hit or not, I know the low delay requires extra sTP.
I know I need Moonshade, Oto +1 and such, working on them currently.
Edit: Heca Mitts have Crit Damage +3% Working on 4%
TP:
Zerk Up:
Zerk Down:
Main questions, should I use Phasmida over Goading, I know I'm at 25% haste, but I figured the sTP would be more useful, not sure if I'm over shooting for a 6hit or not, I know the low delay requires extra sTP.
I know I need Moonshade, Oto +1 and such, working on them currently.
Edit: Heca Mitts have Crit Damage +3% Working on 4%
Way overshooting a 6-hit. Unless you're being weird and not subbing SAM:
You have 33 STP in that set.
If you don't have ada/armadaberk and have no access to Phorcys... at the *very least* use this:
If you have Phasmida you can replace Goading with it and Blitz with Tyrant's.
Use Mekira for Ukko's when ftp bonus is active, otherwise use +2.
Swap Rancor Collar with an Elemental Gorget and Atheling Mantle with Rancorous Mantle. I also wanna say a 3 STR Earring is going to do better than Ravager's, but start on WotG for a TP Bonus/ATT moonshade.
You also have a Pole Grip in one of your WS sets, maybe that's a mistake... but don't use it over Claymore with Ukon.
Gimpness said: »
16 STP = Only need Brutal in Ukko's set. Allows you to miss second hit of Ukko's and (still) keep your 6-hit.
15 STP = Need Rajas and Brutal in Ukko's set. Also allows you to miss second hit of Ukko's (and still keep your 6-hit).
14 STP = Need Brutal in Ukko's set. Does not allow you to miss second hit of Ukko's and (still) keep your 6-hit.
13 STP = Need Brutal and Rajas in Ukko's set. Does not allow you to miss second hit of Ukko's and (still) keep your 6-hit.
15 STP = Need Rajas and Brutal in Ukko's set. Also allows you to miss second hit of Ukko's (and still keep your 6-hit).
14 STP = Need Brutal in Ukko's set. Does not allow you to miss second hit of Ukko's and (still) keep your 6-hit.
13 STP = Need Brutal and Rajas in Ukko's set. Does not allow you to miss second hit of Ukko's and (still) keep your 6-hit.
You have 33 STP in that set.
If you don't have ada/armadaberk and have no access to Phorcys... at the *very least* use this:
If you have Phasmida you can replace Goading with it and Blitz with Tyrant's.
Use Mekira for Ukko's when ftp bonus is active, otherwise use +2.
Swap Rancor Collar with an Elemental Gorget and Atheling Mantle with Rancorous Mantle. I also wanna say a 3 STR Earring is going to do better than Ravager's, but start on WotG for a TP Bonus/ATT moonshade.
You also have a Pole Grip in one of your WS sets, maybe that's a mistake... but don't use it over Claymore with Ukon.
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Thank you! Just started NNI, got Phorcys body first, I have all of the gear shown. So Ogier's Gauntlets are no good, or should I keep them on and use Phasmida and like the DA ring or something? Yeah, Pole grip is a mistake. Just moddified my RR sets. x.x
What about to TP, how much sTP do I need for a 6 hit?
What about to TP, how much sTP do I need for a 6 hit?
16 STP = Only need Brutal in Ukko's set. Allows you to miss second hit of Ukko's and keep your 6-hit.
Means, TP in +16 STP (provided /sam) and then at least 1sTP in your WS set to maintain a safe 6hit build.
Means, TP in +16 STP (provided /sam) and then at least 1sTP in your WS set to maintain a safe 6hit build.
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Oh wow. Awesome, thanks for clearing that up x,x.
Yeah, I always /SAM. Very much appreciated.
Yeah, I always /SAM. Very much appreciated.
Ogier's Gauntlets are no good because you don't get AF3+2 Hands' Restraint bonus.
Avant+1 Hands (until you get Phorcys) are good to TP in when Restraint's down. They'll also last you a while, as you'll use them in your Restraint down ACC set.
Avant+1 Hands (until you get Phorcys) are good to TP in when Restraint's down. They'll also last you a while, as you'll use them in your Restraint down ACC set.
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If you have Phasmida you can replace Goading with it and Blitz with Tyrant's.
Use Mekira for Ukko's when ftp bonus is active, otherwise use +2.
Swap Rancor Collar with an Elemental Gorget and Atheling Mantle with Rancorous Mantle. I also wanna say a 3 STR Earring is going to do better than Ravager's, but start on WotG for a TP Bonus/ATT moonshade.
You also have a Pole Grip in one of your WS sets, maybe that's a mistake... but don't use it over Claymore with Ukon.
I remember reading a comment somewhere that newer haste items have their values set such that they add up properly with 1024 values for haste. Meaning newer haste gear, 25% is a true 25%. Anyone know of any testing to determine if this is true? Just wondering if that blitz ring is actually earning you any more haste since all the rest of that haste is from Aby content and beyond.
Do you have a link to said comment?
As far as I know they haven't changed anything, unless they've made it so some pieces actually give more than the value listed... which would be quite weird with SE's track record.
As far as I know they haven't changed anything, unless they've made it so some pieces actually give more than the value listed... which would be quite weird with SE's track record.
I've often wondered about that, but I had no idea how to go about testing, so I figured I'd go safe > sorry.
Edit: How would Warrior's Cuisses +2 be for Zerk up set?
Edit: How would Warrior's Cuisses +2 be for Zerk up set?
Fenrir.Thandar said: »
How would Warrior's Cuisses +2 be for Zerk up set?
Fine if your attack's capped.
If it isn't, use Avant +1.
Warrior's Cuisses +2 only have 1% DA over Avant +1, so if your attack isn't capped it isn't really worth using them.
Yeah, is it conclusive the DA damage + doesn't proc on WS?
Someone threw up numbers a few pages back if you care to look at them.
I read that, but I also read a bunch of back and fourth, was just wondering if it was confirmed.
Edit: I must have read in the middle, x,x I see now, that's kinda crappy.
Edit: I must have read in the middle, x,x I see now, that's kinda crappy.
Odin.Registry said: »
Ogier's Gauntlets are no good because you don't get AF3+2 Hands' Restraint bonus.
Avant+1 Hands (until you get Phorcys) are good to TP in when Restraint's down. They'll also last you a while, as you'll use them in your Restraint down ACC set.
Avant+1 Hands (until you get Phorcys) are good to TP in when Restraint's down. They'll also last you a while, as you'll use them in your Restraint down ACC set.
Why all the love for Avant Gauntlets +1 in this thread? As an Acc piece, they're 3 Acc behind AF3+2, as well as 2 less STR, 2 less dDEX, and less AF3+2 set bonus. Taking into account the diminishing returns of DA, even without fighter's roll, the DA on Avant +1 is down to ~1.5%.
So it's ~1.5% more swings from DA (or less with Fighter's Roll) versus 1.5% hitrate from Acc, 2STR, 2dDEX, more AF3+2 set procs, and inventory +1. Looks pretty cut and dried which piece has more going for it to me.
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I use Avant+1 in restraint down "mid acc" tp setup.
Phorcys in low and af3+2 in high :P
Phorcys in low and af3+2 in high :P
What is the consensus on Hecatomb legs +1 with +4 crit rate? Always seems to shift position in last last pages I've read? I do have AF2+2 legs and Ogier's already, just wondering if it's worth unlocking for War since the only job to benefit it would be THF so far...
Quetzalcoatl.Hyunkyl said: »
What is the consensus on Hecatomb legs +1 with +4 crit rate? Always seems to shift position in last last pages I've read? I do have AF2+2 legs and Ogier's already, just wondering if it's worth unlocking for War since the only job to benefit it would be THF so far...
Only real use for them?
Quetzalcoatl.Hyunkyl said: »
Only real use for them?
Ultimately I don't believe they're worthwhile outside of abyssea though.
Soooo what exactly does attk cap at? cause im seeing SS's where taint has attk of like fricken 3k+
2.25 x whatever the mob's defense is, is "attack capped".
If you're looking for what does attack itself cap at on your screen... I dunno prolly 9999?
If you're looking for what does attack itself cap at on your screen... I dunno prolly 9999?
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Bismarck.Stani said: »
Why all the love for Avant Gauntlets +1 in this thread? As an Acc piece, they're 3 Acc behind AF3+2, as well as 2 less STR, 2 less dDEX, and less AF3+2 set bonus. Taking into account the diminishing returns of DA, even without fighter's roll, the DA on Avant +1 is down to ~1.5%.
So it's ~1.5% more swings from DA (or less with Fighter's Roll) versus 1.5% hitrate from Acc, 2STR, 2dDEX, more AF3+2 set procs, and inventory +1. Looks pretty cut and dried which piece has more going for it to me.
So it's ~1.5% more swings from DA (or less with Fighter's Roll) versus 1.5% hitrate from Acc, 2STR, 2dDEX, more AF3+2 set procs, and inventory +1. Looks pretty cut and dried which piece has more going for it to me.
Yes, but you aren't going to be needing every little bit of accuracy you can get... mostly because you probably have Hunter's and Madrigal.
Granted, I did more mean a mid-accuracy set and should have stated that. Muh bad. :3
Quetzalcoatl.Hyunkyl said: »
What is the consensus on Hecatomb legs +1 with +4 crit rate? Always seems to shift position in last last pages I've read? I do have AF2+2 legs and Ogier's already, just wondering if it's worth unlocking for War since the only job to benefit it would be THF so far...
Abyssea only. They're good because you have insane amounts of crit damage.
The only reason you'd use them outside is because you're in a certain margin of dDEX where you're getting ~8-10 crit rate (I can't remember when it actually starts to become useful, but it's somewhere around 40-50 dDEX) from Heca's DEX, which isn't very often.
Just a quick question, how would Corybant Pearl work? I've seen no mention so I'm assuming it isn't worth it?
Wouldn't bother with it.
Moonshade and Brutal are both much better.
If you're in the middle of WotG or are just too lazy to do it (like me, I really need to get off my *** and do some of this ***) then either Kokou's (if you can get it) or Vulcan's Pearl. If Vulcan's is too expensive for you then a 3 STR earring would probably be better than nothing.
Moonshade and Brutal are both much better.
If you're in the middle of WotG or are just too lazy to do it (like me, I really need to get off my *** and do some of this ***) then either Kokou's (if you can get it) or Vulcan's Pearl. If Vulcan's is too expensive for you then a 3 STR earring would probably be better than nothing.
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