Ukko's Fury Setup

This is my high acc set:

Ravager's hands +2 and Phasmida Belt are the same accuracy as Brego and Anguinus, but are 26% haste over your 25%. I guess it comes down to if you're getting any attack buffs, but I can't see brego combo winning, especially if restraint is up.

Okay, that sounds good to me. I also noticed that my Ukko's set was a little Acc light so I've remedied that.

Last night we had 2 Ryunohige DRG and 1 DRK as the other DDs, so we were just using 3 Minuets. We cleared something like 11 mobs, but I parsed literally 50% Acc against the Uptala before I changed my TP set.

I am thinking of using this as my high-Acc Ukko's set:


Including WS Acc from gorget/belt it has about the same Acc as my TP set.

My Acc in my MS-Upheaval set is a little miserable now, because VIT seems to be paired with Acc pretty infrequently. I'm not sure what to do about that except to ask for Feint. I guess another option would be to switch my food to Pizza.

Feint would clearly be the best option if possible when you're about to 2hr, as making Upheaval sets with good acc without Bravura kinda sucks =/

The biggest upgrade I need is a 99 Ukon (90 at the moment, ~700/1500 plates).

Pizza would get me 50-60 Acc at the cost of 95 Attack and 7 STR. Think it's worth it?

If you reliably have attack buffs but never accuracy buffs, probably yeah

Are Shield/Armor/Full break broken like Tachi: Ageha? I've been extremely curious about using them for specific Legion mobs. From how it reads on BGwiki and the sources, it lands 100% and either lasts full duration or 1/2 the time on a resist. If the numbers on Shield and Armor break are correct(-40 eva and -25% def down respectively) and lasts for 180 seconds at 100% tp, I think opening a fight on mobs you think you'll be having problems on would be most beneficial for the group as a whole, especially for times when feint/aggressor aren't up.

Sorry, looks like that is worded in a confusing/wrong way. There are three states. Unresisted (full duration), Resisted (half duration), and Fully resisted (doesn't land). They were given a pretty substantial magic accuracy boost (which I think you can further increase by wearing GA Skill and MAcc gear), but they still full resist on monsters that are strong to the element (like Elementals).

Also, because the effects are "Evasion Down" or "Defense Down" they are going to be competitive with Feint/Diamond Storm/Angon and I can't swear that the stronger debuff will be the higher priority one.

PS. Tachi: Ageha is allegedly fixed on the test server.

Thanks for the clarity. I've just been looking for every possible way to increase efficiency on some of the more troublesome mobs. Feint and Angon are nice, but can't cover every mob you kill.

Feint is only 30 seconds, so there's going to be a substantial down time on mobs like Paramount Rex(probably the mob you're going to most need tons and tons of acc on, aside from wave2 harpy) where it's going to take at least 60seconds and more realistically 90-120seconds to kill.

I believe we've tried Diamond Storm on every Rex and it's always missed(smn had 510ish skill), certainly not something you can count on.

At a 2 minute recast per Feint, you can at least put it on most of the monsters you kill in my experience. We use THF/DNC for Box/Quickstep as well. Also, with two Ryunohige DRGs we can Angon every monster.

Have you increased your Tomahawk merits to 5/5 for Rex? I'm considering 1/5 WC, 4/5 Savagery, 5/5 Tomahawk for Legion.

Our other WAR has 5/5 Tomahawk with the Augment on +2 feet. I'm keeping 1/5 just in case we need that extra 30 seconds, but 90seconds is usually enough before you win or get face raped by 5 AFs at once.

If you're the only WAR for your group then i highly suggest 5/5, it's basically impossible to deal enough damage to win w/o Tomahawk.

I typically hand out jobs and end up going whatever job is needed (last time was my first on WAR), but it's not uncommon for us to only have one WAR so I suppose I'll switch to 5/5 Tomahawk. I already got AF2+2 augmented feet.

How do you deal with Embrava and your X-hit? Realistically it's good for at least 6 TP, maybe even 12. That would make a 5-hit much more reasonable. If I'm doing this right, all I'd have to do is swap Claymore to Rose and I'd 5-hit every time I get 2 Regain ticks from Embrava.

Given that my minimum round time is 482*.2/60 = 1.6 seconds and that the previous WS adds about 2 seconds of delay, I'd be looking at a minimum of 5.2 seconds per WS. That means I'd get 2 ticks of Embrava most of the time.

Anytime I have embrava, I'm probably using Ragna(since I probably have massive attack buffs), which turns my 7hit into a 6hit.

Ukon would be tricky, because you have to take into account the acc you'll need, which will probably conflict with what you need to 5hit.

If I use:
TP: Rose/Phorcys/Brutal/AF3+2 body/Rajas = 38 STP = 17.9 TP/hit.

WS: (Rajas, Rose, and Brutal) = 25 STP = 16.2 TP + 1.2 = 17.4 Total

17.9*4+17.4 = 89 TP, so 2 ticks of Embrava push me over.

I'm already stuck with AF3+2 body anyway, so the only change is Claymore->Rose.

I didn't consider how much Ragnarok benefits from its 40 Acc before... That's really a huge boon in Legion.

GAxe skill will help make up some of that. Keep that in mind.

Kinda youdontsay.jpg but also keep in mind the acc on Rag becomes less impressive and more so required if you don't have GS skill merited to push you up to the 420 skill. Though, it'd be kinda silly to not merit it if you're using GS/Resolution.

Hmm, I was going to start a new thread for all of these legion questions, since they apply to Rag and Ukon. :p Too slow I guess!

The other question I have, since we're talking about legion WAR builds here anyway, is.. what are folks are using for hybrid PDT/DD builds for times when you don't have Perfect Defense but will still probably take a lot of damage?

The Mekira combo seems like a given but other swaps result in pretty big sacrificies. Ogier's Breeches and Phorcys Schuhs are pretty nice too, but you lose a big chunk of haste there.

Don't forget you can bring both foods along with antacids so you can switch based on whatever buffs you're currently getting.

While I'm spamming posts, it's also worth noting that AF3+2 body is more accuracy than Armada (thanks to the g.axe skill) unless you get an augment like Ejiin's which, in my experience, is not a possible augment for mortals.

I use this in Legion, and 99% of the time, I WS after 2 melees rounds after a WS. Adding in rose strap or some other silly thing wont help.

Embrava, SAM roll, 50%~ DA, for buffs that reduce attack rounds.

And seriously, I suggest changing your group up, and getting more ACC buffs. If your ACC is that bad, and everyone else's is good, then you could gain more by having all of them use less ACC gear and get better buffs, like Madrigal. Or you should just switch to sushi or whatever.

You could also use Mars's ring in your WS set if you need more ACC.

We kill 3 mobs in Mul without PD. Wave 1+2 Harpy and wave2 Iron Giant.

Wave1 Harpy: This should be a total joke. Between squalls and stuns, you shouldn't even need to use PDT at all because it dies so fast. If you get hit by a melee attack, embrava is enough to heal you back normally.

Wave2 Iron Giant: Again, won't need PDT at all, because chances are it'll be stun locked and won't even be targeting any of the DD.

Wave2 Harpy: This is pretty dangerous. We normally throw in a regen5 and EA for this. Helps to assign smns to specific DDs to keep them alive if they take any damage. What I normally do is TP in normal gear, but if HP drops below 900, I swap to max PDT until it's safe again.

With all that said, I think the turtle method with no PD for Legion(or at least Mul) is a total waste of time. Your goal is to kill as fast as possible; PDing allows you to go 100% offensive. Your success hinges on perfect stuns regardless of method, why wouldn't you use the one that allows you to clear more mobs faster.

One of our better runs in terms of killspeed, killing 3 wave3 mobs(last w/o PD):

Hmm, interesting. I could have sworn I saw you write elsewhere that, at least for some hall, such a build is required if you want to survive. Guess it was someone else.

Nice clear time, btw. o.o

My LS just did our 3rd and 4th Muls, maybe 4th and 5th, I forget now. Anyway! I saved the live stream I did of them here:
http://www.twitch.tv/wish12oz/b/329476832
If you want to watch, it might help you out. We're even up to 17 members, just need to find a damn DRK to bring to our runs for the chaos roll increase, and then we'll be good, lol.

The search function is temporally down it seems..

Anyway which are the top 3 atmacites for war in VW?

Latitude and Valiant so you can ditch Phos for Windbuffet in TP set, and Coercion or Discipline depending on if you'll be getting Miser's Roll.

I'm thinking this TP set would be better with that atmacite setup, over swapping out Phos. Admittedly I never did any sort of math or anything, I just think it would be better.

Also: Yay~ Duplus Grip.
My initial math and thoughts are: Duplus wins in just Ukkos math when you're at around 88% Crit rate w/ 50% DA, which is around what you have in VW w/ Fighters Roll, if not higher Crit rate, and DA.

Based on this, I'm going to say If you have Embrava up, and 80% Crit rate, Duplus wins, since it also increases WS frequency by around 1.5%, while also Contributing to WS damage. If you don't have Embrava up, it should win with Crit rates much lower, like 50%~ Which is about the lowest Ukkos really goes.

So basically: In VW = use Duplus, W/ Embrava and not in VW (like in Legion, or zerging ADLs or something, stuff like that) = use claymore, Abyssea = Dont care all that much, but most likely Claymore, Any other situation = Duplus. And of course if you're using anything other than Ukon, it's pretty much going to be Duplus winning all the time. If you're tanking weak mobs with Hasso+Retaliation, like in Dynamis or something, Claymore has a good chance of winning too, since Retaliations can't DA, and give TP, and Claymore is pretty much always better for Ukkos than Duplus too, and Ukkos is going to be 60%+~ of your total damage.

Anyway, I've had a Duplus for like 2-3 days now, and it'll probably be a long time before I find it common enough to really care a ton about doing all the math for it, but these are my initial thoughts, and what I think you should do with it should you accquire one, and what I will be using mine for.

That belt should be Phasmida; you'll be at 27% haste with Phos.

I have prolly a stupid question, but, i have been doing WoE alot lately, and i have enough to make a fake Ukon, i don't play the job nearly enough to justify making a real one. So i was wondering if making the Maschu +2 is worth the time.

Yes, Stry, make it.

Mostly cuz you know we won't do *** Glavoid for you. :p

lmao