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 Cerberus.Tikal
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2012-05-14 20:43:07
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He's asking why it's the best of the given pieces. It's the best because it's nearly unconditional as a WS piece for all jobs that can equip it, while other pieces are either marginal upgrades or conditional for WAR. Feet are a PDT piece, hands are great but not as massive an upgrade. Legs aren't really useful in current builds. Head is good for TP, but it's only a slight upgrade, and it requires a bit of gear re-working for 10 acc/attk, though it does open up different builds and possible future sets.
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By Bismarck.Bloodbathboy 2012-05-14 20:56:10
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Is haste capped at 23.7%for WAR. Just wondering for my TP set.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2012-05-14 20:56:52
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25% is the true gear-haste cap. Where are you getting 23.7%?
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2012-05-14 20:57:12
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gear haste is 25% (need 26% in gear to reach this)
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By Bismarck.Bloodbathboy 2012-05-14 21:05:15
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Cerberus.Tikal said: »
25% is the true gear-haste cap. Where are you getting 23.7%?
A guy in my old LS told me that when I asked. Thank you for clearing that up.
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By Gimpness 2012-05-14 21:14:47
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Bismarck.Bloodbathboy said: »
Cerberus.Tikal said: »
25% is the true gear-haste cap. Where are you getting 23.7%?
A guy in my old LS told me that when I asked. Thank you for clearing that up.

I... wait... wait... is... no... what?

:X....
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By Gimp 2012-05-14 21:17:01
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was talking with a friend about ws belts and i'm looking back a few pages... but is it explained why wobuffet is the best ws belt?
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By Bismarck.Bloodbathboy 2012-05-14 21:21:44
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It can make a difference. Huge spikes at time. If ACC is still issue I would use a light belt. Have both and play it safe.
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By Gimp 2012-05-14 21:45:01
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I dont understand war nor pretend assume much of it though but war doesn't have a lot of TA/QA in optimal ws gear. I would assume that it would need a number of ukkos to average better than another belt (assuming accuracy is perfect). Since it's a normal 2 hit weaponskill how much of a chance does the 1% QA and the 2% TA have to proc on that since they are registered first before DA?

and I couldn't find it yet still looking back so sorry if i'm being repetitive
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2012-05-14 22:02:14
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There's a whole thread about QA, TA and DA that recently cropped up. There's a lot of math.

Simple answer: 1% QA, 2% TA is incredibly potent on strong WSs, and though it's only 3%, it makes a very powerful difference that carries over into the average. There's more outlier numbers, but they average into it better in the long run.
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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2012-05-14 22:07:58
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And, Ukko's doesn't carry FTP bonus. One hit of your WS gets 2.1~2.2FTP, the rest get 1.0. 1QA+2TA translates to more than 0.1fTP on one hit.

It's a potent neck piece because there aren't other options available, but if there were, and you didn't need accuracy, then it wouldn't be standard issue.
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By Gimp 2012-05-14 22:20:06
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Cerberus.Tikal said: »
There's a whole thread about QA, TA and DA that recently cropped up. There's a lot of math.

Simple answer: 1% QA, 2% TA is incredibly potent on strong WSs, and though it's only 3%, it makes a very powerful difference that carries over into the average. There's more outlier numbers, but they average into it better in the long run.



I feel dumb for asking but what do you mean by outlier numbers ><
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By Ramuh.Lorzy 2012-05-14 22:29:37
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outliers are values that aren't close to the median. so basically it means the damage spikes from qa/ta.
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By Gimpness 2012-05-15 02:23:30
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Gimp said: »
stuff

***, stole my name. Now you gotta ask what outliers are?!

THREAD OVER.


(joking, if it wasn't obvious)
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By Cerberus.Maeldiar 2012-05-24 20:10:26
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Mekira-oto +1 or Drachenhorn on off days.

By the way is mekira broken down into light elements or does it only work on light/wind/thunder day.

Edit: i think Towngearhorn sucks in all situations XD
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By Quetzalcoatl.Neisan 2012-05-24 20:20:48
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Mekira+1 and while it wasn't tested correctly (or i missed a better test) I don't assume it decomposes, that only seemed to be the atma iirc. I only assume it works on light/wind/thunder days.
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By Gimpness 2012-05-24 20:26:08
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light thunder wind as far as we know...

I would guess Drachenhorn would beat Mekira on inactive days, assuming your attack's at least 650-ish (and uncapped).
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-05-24 20:26:37
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I saw a post with testing on Namas a while back that indicated it probably doesn't decompose.
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By Bismarck.Altar 2012-05-24 20:28:22
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I haven't followed the data testing link, but is the entry on bg wiki for mekira-oto incorrect?
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-05-24 20:31:45
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Why the *** is that still there... There's not even a test for T3 decomposition in the test linked, which was noted later and is why it's been up in the air ever since. WHY it's been up in the air this long is beyond me though.
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By Gimpness 2012-05-24 20:32:34
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I blame Dasva! All his fault. >:

(Hopefully he's reading this...)
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-05-24 20:34:44
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To be fair, I think he's the one that finally did the Namas test.
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By Gimpness 2012-05-24 20:36:55
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fffiiiiiiiiiineeeeeeeeee.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Neisan 2012-05-24 20:45:44
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Even on offdays I had Mekira winning. 650 attack would put it at..12 str 32 attack I think? Pretty sure that's behind Mekira+1.
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By Xorn 2012-05-27 00:10:06
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I haven't really been keeping up to date on FFXI info lately. Is there a definitive best third atmacite to go with Coercion and Discipline for Ukko's? I'm using Persistence right now. None of the options look mindblowing.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2012-05-27 00:25:39
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Valiant is good, Lattitude is good.
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By Asura.Malekith 2012-05-27 00:30:08
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These are the 4 that I go between

1. Kaggen's Coercion - L15: STR+5, AGI+5, ACC+10, "Regain"+3)
2. Ig- Alima's Valiant - L15: HP+10%, All attributes (STR, DEX, ETC...) +15, ACC+5, Haste+5%
3. Voidwrought's Discipline - L15: HP+10%, All attributes +3 (STR, DEX, ETC...), "MDB"+10, "Save TP"+20
4. Pil's Lattitude - L15: MND+5, "SB"+10, TP Bonus +50, Haste +3%

From these 4 I'll set myself up using 1 of these 2 builds.

Build A: With Kaggen/Iggy/Void gives me +20% HP, 23 STR, 18 DEX, 18 VIT, 23 AGI, 18 INT, 18 MND, 18 CHR, +25 ACC, Regain +3, +5 Haste, +10 MDB, +20 Save TP
  • This atmacite build ensures WS spammage with a guaranteed 40 TP return after WS, assuming of course that I have a cor giving Miser's.


Build B: Kaggen/Iggy/Pil gives me +10% HP, 20 STR, 15 DEX, 15 VIT, 20 AGI, 15 INT, 20 MND, 15 CHR, +25 ACC, Regain +3, +8 Haste, +10 SB, +50 TP BONUS
  • Basically hitting harder here bigger numbers, The 50 TP bonus off Lattitude should translate into +6% Crit rate.


One last note... since I'm getting atleast 5% (gear) haste with both builds I have more flexibility for my TP build, especially with the Build B. Essentially I swap out Phasmida Belt for Windbuffet just to boost my white dmg.
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By Titan.Reizen 2012-06-05 07:46:44
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Got this on 49th tatter on Adaman Hauberk (thanks to Suji, my synergist mercenary lol)

17 attack less than Grim +1, but I'll just stick to it for my Ukko ^^

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By Bahamut.Phix 2012-06-05 07:53:59
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Titan.Reizen said: »
Got this on 49th tatter on Adaman Hauberk (thanks to Suji, my synergist mercenary lol)

17 attack less than Grim +1, but I'll just stick to it for my Ukko ^^

should at least keep going for stp 5 da2 and buy the grim for ws till phorcys
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By Odin.Sheelay 2012-06-05 08:02:09
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Titan.Reizen said: »

I have brain matter splattered all over the living room.
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