Bleh so this now post nerf for VW?
If the Crit Rate really is down to 15%.
3 From Grip
3 From Mask
3 From Zahaks
5 From Collar
3 From Cuisses
4 From Merits
Kind of at a loss, I'm seriously hoping Upheavel won't beat it on VWNM. Just sucks having to lug around my Torcleaver gear for that monstrosity.
Ukko's Fury Setup
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Ukko's Fury Setup
I heard they nerf'd Ukko's Fury, it what way? Critical hit rate? to what degree?
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Nefarious Collar and Rancor Mantle over Rancor Collar and Atheling?
Max Augmented Wivre Gorget with 3% Crit and Tonberry Mantle might be better, eh?
3% Wivre is a lie and you know it.
Ragnarok.Cheweh said: »
I heard they nerf'd Ukko's Fury, it what way? Critical hit rate? to what degree?
Your avatar fits perfectly with my expression when I read about the WAR nerf.
They're lowering the Critical Hit Rate bonus from TP. (not removing)
They are however removing the Critical Damage Bonus from Blood Rage.
Fenrir.Skarwind said: »
3 From Grip
3 From Mask
3 From Zahaks
5 From Collar
3 From Cuisses
4 From Merits
3 From Mask
3 From Zahaks
5 From Collar
3 From Cuisses
4 From Merits
5% from merits
5% Hachiryu Haramaki
5% Rancor Collar
4% from Hecatomb Subligar+1 augment
3% Grip
3% Ravager's Mask+2
25% crit hit rate increase from those pieces.
Could go extreme and get 2x Light Earring with +2 Crit Hit Rate each from Abyssea-Misar, but then you lose Double Attack from Brutal/Ravager's, if not using Moonshade (4att/Tp Bonus) in place of Ravager's Earring already.
Carbuncle.Seankp said: »
Fenrir.Skarwind said: »
3 From Grip
3 From Mask
3 From Zahaks
5 From Collar
3 From Cuisses
4 From Merits
3 From Mask
3 From Zahaks
5 From Collar
3 From Cuisses
4 From Merits
5% from merits
5% Hachiryu Haramaki
5% Rancor Collar
4% from Hecatomb Subligar+1 augment
3% Grip
3% Ravager's Mask+2
25% crit hit rate increase from those pieces.
Could go extreme and get 2x Light Earring with +2 Crit Hit Rate each from Abyssea-Misar, but then you lose Double Attack from Brutal/Ravager's, if not using Moonshade (4att/Tp Bonus) in place of Ravager's Earring already.
Sorry slipped my mind they boosted merit cap for crit.
Would a Light Earring beat Ravager's? I'm working on WOTG still (Don't ask lol) Also Hachiryu Body won't happen for me atm.
How much crit rate does a TP Bonus of 40 add by the way?
Fenrir.Skarwind said: »
Sorry slipped my mind they boosted merit cap for crit.
Would a Light Earring beat Ravager's? I'm working on WOTG still (Don't ask lol) Also Hachiryu Body won't happen for me atm.
How much crit rate does a TP Bonus of 40 add by the way?
Would a Light Earring beat Ravager's? I'm working on WOTG still (Don't ask lol) Also Hachiryu Body won't happen for me atm.
How much crit rate does a TP Bonus of 40 add by the way?
Not sure since the nerf... Moonshade Earring is +25 TP Bonus btw.
Carbuncle.Seankp said: »
Fenrir.Skarwind said: »
Sorry slipped my mind they boosted merit cap for crit.
Would a Light Earring beat Ravager's? I'm working on WOTG still (Don't ask lol) Also Hachiryu Body won't happen for me atm.
How much crit rate does a TP Bonus of 40 add by the way?
Would a Light Earring beat Ravager's? I'm working on WOTG still (Don't ask lol) Also Hachiryu Body won't happen for me atm.
How much crit rate does a TP Bonus of 40 add by the way?
Not sure since the nerf... Moonshade Earring is +25 TP Bonus btw.
Was more along the lines thinking of Savagery. Since all blood Rage is going to be is an enhanced warcry if you have savagery merits.
Wiki says Blood rage adds 20% to crit rate, Not sure what a TP bonus of 40 would add. (5 WC/4Savagery/1Tomahawk Here)
Remember critical hit rate will have deminishing returns, so while ukkos will lose 15% rit rate, the best gear set may not change significantly. IE: Valkarie's w/ 3% ta or Armada with 3% da will still outperform hachi. If I remember correctly Vulcans(or nq) beat ravager's/light earrings.
When I read this after the nerf, makes me want to cry!!
Since when does Critical Hit Rate have diminishing returns? And after what value?
Parsers show exact expected critical hit rate through gear/merits/ddex?
If it didn't, it would show that while having 25% Critical Hit Rate you truly only have 20%...
Source?
As far as the Vulcan's vs. Light Earring, source on that too? Can't say I've ever seen that bit of information anywhere.
Parsers show exact expected critical hit rate through gear/merits/ddex?
If it didn't, it would show that while having 25% Critical Hit Rate you truly only have 20%...
Source?
As far as the Vulcan's vs. Light Earring, source on that too? Can't say I've ever seen that bit of information anywhere.
Thank you all for the advice. It is kind of tough to read the screen right now threw the tears I am shedding at being raped.. I mean nerfed.
assume for simplicity a crit doubles your dmg, you hit for 1 normally.
going from 0 to 1% crit rate increases dmg from 100 to 101, 101/100=1.01 a 1% increase
going from 50% to 51% increases dmg from 150 to 151, 151/150=1.006666
so little under .7% increase
going from 99% to 100% increases dmg from 199 to 200, 200/199=1.005~~~
a .5% increase
decreasing returns.
Vulcans I dont recall if I did the math or if it was posted in the thread somewhere.
going from 0 to 1% crit rate increases dmg from 100 to 101, 101/100=1.01 a 1% increase
going from 50% to 51% increases dmg from 150 to 151, 151/150=1.006666
so little under .7% increase
going from 99% to 100% increases dmg from 199 to 200, 200/199=1.005~~~
a .5% increase
decreasing returns.
Vulcans I dont recall if I did the math or if it was posted in the thread somewhere.
War will remain awsome as long as they dont nerf retaliation...maybe I shouldn't tell the devs that.
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Got a 100 million I can barrow, lol. Nah it is all good. Still will be playing!! Just a little bummed at the nerf is all.
So would this example be incorrect:
100 hits * 1.5 damage = 150 damage.
49% Crit Rate = 49 * 150 damage = 7,350 damage.
50% Crit Rate = 50 * 150 damage = 7,500 damage.
Assuming 4 STR raises damage by 1.
49% Crit Rate = 49 * 151 damage = 7,399 damage.
50% Crit Rate = 50 * 150 damage = 7,500 damage.
Now that is accountable for tp phase granted.
But, same situation, would this in WS still hold true?
Wouldn't adding more Crit Rate increase the frequency at which you activate critical hits on more than one hit in a WS?
If so, then the example would still hold true that by adding that it would add more to the overall long term view of say a WS count of 100/100?
100 hits * 1.5 damage = 150 damage.
49% Crit Rate = 49 * 150 damage = 7,350 damage.
50% Crit Rate = 50 * 150 damage = 7,500 damage.
Assuming 4 STR raises damage by 1.
49% Crit Rate = 49 * 151 damage = 7,399 damage.
50% Crit Rate = 50 * 150 damage = 7,500 damage.
Now that is accountable for tp phase granted.
But, same situation, would this in WS still hold true?
Wouldn't adding more Crit Rate increase the frequency at which you activate critical hits on more than one hit in a WS?
If so, then the example would still hold true that by adding that it would add more to the overall long term view of say a WS count of 100/100?
Bismarck.Josiahkf said: »
I'm surprised someone hasn't "sam/war" in here yet with the update
sam/war
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30% crit rate, capped pdif, .6*4=2.4, .6*3=1.8
stole str numbers from one of my old maths. (rounding down to keep them round numbers.)
+4 str
(131+20+110)*2*2.2*.7+(131+20+110)*2*3*.3=1,273.68
+3 str
(131+20+109)*2*2.2*.7+(131+20+109)*2*3*.3=1,268.8
+1 crit
(131+20+108)*2*2.2*.69+(131+20+108)*2*3*.31=1,268.064
not capped pdif
+4str
(131+20+110)*2*2*.7+(131+20+110)*2*3*.3=1,200.6
+3 str
(131+20+109)*2*2*.7+(131+20+109)*2*3*.3=1,196
+1 crit
(131+20+108)*2*2*.69+(131+20+108)*2*3*.31=1,196.58
Edit: opps numbers
stole str numbers from one of my old maths. (rounding down to keep them round numbers.)
+4 str
(131+20+110)*2*2.2*.7+(131+20+110)*2*3*.3=1,273.68
+3 str
(131+20+109)*2*2.2*.7+(131+20+109)*2*3*.3=1,268.8
+1 crit
(131+20+108)*2*2.2*.69+(131+20+108)*2*3*.31=1,268.064
not capped pdif
+4str
(131+20+110)*2*2*.7+(131+20+110)*2*3*.3=1,200.6
+3 str
(131+20+109)*2*2*.7+(131+20+109)*2*3*.3=1,196
+1 crit
(131+20+108)*2*2*.69+(131+20+108)*2*3*.31=1,196.58
Edit: opps numbers
Ragnarok.Amador said: »
So would this example be incorrect:
100 hits * 1.5 damage = 150 damage.
49% Crit Rate = 49 * 150 damage = 7,350 damage.
50% Crit Rate = 50 * 150 damage = 7,500 damage.
Assuming 4 STR raises damage by 1.
49% Crit Rate = 49 * 151 damage = 7,399 damage.
50% Crit Rate = 50 * 150 damage = 7,500 damage.
Now that is accountable for tp phase granted.
But, same situation, would this in WS still hold true?
Wouldn't adding more Crit Rate increase the frequency at which you activate critical hits on more than one hit in a WS?
If so, then the example would still hold true that by adding that it would add more to the overall long term view of say a WS count of 100/100?
100 hits * 1.5 damage = 150 damage.
49% Crit Rate = 49 * 150 damage = 7,350 damage.
50% Crit Rate = 50 * 150 damage = 7,500 damage.
Assuming 4 STR raises damage by 1.
49% Crit Rate = 49 * 151 damage = 7,399 damage.
50% Crit Rate = 50 * 150 damage = 7,500 damage.
Now that is accountable for tp phase granted.
But, same situation, would this in WS still hold true?
Wouldn't adding more Crit Rate increase the frequency at which you activate critical hits on more than one hit in a WS?
If so, then the example would still hold true that by adding that it would add more to the overall long term view of say a WS count of 100/100?
Its 100% accurate to say that adding crit rate increases the frequency that a ws will crit, however as your crit rate gets higher, the ammount 1% crit rate will increase your damage goes down. Thus other stats may inrcrease dmg more. I will do numbers for inside abyssea in a bit where crit may win due to crit dmg.
askar+5 will be best ws body right?
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
askar+5 will be best ws body right?
Askar +5 will rape everything all the time if the stats remain the same as they are. Seeing as how most of the gear is sidegrades and everything is getting a nerfbat, I don't hold much hope its staying like it is. Or if it does, it will be like getting ahold of an Ebody circa 2003.
I dont think they will nerf the stats, I just want to see how we upgrade it.
Math for abyssea vulcan's in spoiler
Vulcan's wins unless attack is low. Nq is worse than light earring inside. I included math w/ minnimum rate and +15% in gear to show the idea of decreasing returns.(Vulcan's is .5 ahead at 70% crit rate, and 2 ahead at 85%)
Vulcan's wins unless attack is low. Nq is worse than light earring inside. I included math w/ minnimum rate and +15% in gear to show the idea of decreasing returns.(Vulcan's is .5 ahead at 70% crit rate, and 2 ahead at 85%)
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