So apparently Rancor Collar gives crit rate +5%, damage taken+10%, assuming that's true would it out do elemental gorgets?
Inside Abyssea it depends, probably yes with RR/SS/Apoc but maybe not if you're using RR/VV/Apoc.
can someone look into this more? I picked up a Rancor Collar for Smite... but I'm curious how it fits into WAR tp or ws... I know its generally thought of as a WS only piece, but unlike MNK where you're breaking a cap on hand-to-hand, WAR just uses ravager's Gorget. So DA+2% or Crit Rate+5%? The Damage taken +10% doesnt matter to me cause I'm a galka and never die.
Rancor collar is your strongest WS piece inside and outside of abyssea. As a tp piece it will beat ravager's as long as the dmg taken wont enable mobs to 1 shot you.
Rancor collar is your strongest WS piece inside and outside of abyssea. As a tp piece it will beat ravager's as long as the dmg taken wont enable mobs to 1 shot you.
is it true about getting hate to get the stats on that piece?
imo at least; not much of a fan of rancor collar, though if you want to dealwithit.jpg, it beats ravager's gorget and breeze gorget accordingly
sword would be ideal normally to bring the delay down to ukonvasara-tier, but i can't help but see claymore beating it with rr/ss/apoc on inside abyssea
imo at least; not much of a fan of rancor collar, though if you want to dealwithit.jpg, it beats ravager's gorget and breeze gorget accordingly
i'm generally acting as the tank, so i can't see myself getting it either
maybe when it comes down in price i'll get it for my ws set, but don't want to throw down 2-3 mil for a minor improvement atm when no one knows what update will bring
sword vs claymore i'm honestly confused on, coinflip maybe?
the last few days i've been running into tonberries here and there, and then they're all like
hey
you're dead ok
and i'm like
ok
because i take like 5k from everyone's grudge
as for claymore against sword, normally sword crushes everything as long as you can support it, but since critical hits inside tend to DESTROY things, well, allowing yourself to hit them more often tends to outweigh the swing reduction, ontop of adding the extra 15 atk or so
outside, sword strap with askar korazin for maschu definitely wins there, but inside, claymore/grim imo
Rancor collar is your strongest WS piece inside and outside of abyssea. As a tp piece it will beat ravager's as long as the dmg taken wont enable mobs to 1 shot you.
is it true about getting hate to get the stats on that piece?
Yeah, it adds nothing if you've cleared your hate. To get the 5% critrate and +10% DT, you have to have hate high enough that the Tonberry Priest charges 6k to clear your hate.
I like it a little more for NIN than I would for WAR since I can potentially use it even in situations where I'm taking more damage provided I have shadows up (autoexec gooooo), but I still find myself using it as a WS piece only quite often.
EDIT: It does have some benefit between 0 and max, if you weren't aware that it scales.
Yeah when(read: if I can ever find one on my server not posed on AH by JPs at 4am) I will likely only use for WS/inside abyssea tp. Outside I figured I would be nice to my mages(read: myself since my whm mule is my healer 90% of the time).
Also: crit rate+1 earring>ravager's for tp outside of abyssea? I think so but nice to get confirmation. (18% DA in gear before ravager's)
Rancor collar is your strongest WS piece inside and outside of abyssea. As a tp piece it will beat ravager's as long as the dmg taken wont enable mobs to 1 shot you.
is it true about getting hate to get the stats on that piece?
Yeah, it adds nothing if you've cleared your hate. To get the 5% critrate and +10% DT, you have to have hate high enough that the Tonberry Priest charges 6k to clear your hate.
I like it a little more for NIN than I would for WAR since I can potentially use it even in situations where I'm taking more damage provided I have shadows up (autoexec gooooo), but I still find myself using it as a WS piece only quite often.
EDIT: It does have some benefit between 0 and max, if you weren't aware that it scales.
Guess I'm gonna go bash on some Tonberry's then :P it's better for WS that gorgets with capped hate, right?
AF3+2>crit dmg 4 byakko's inside of abyssea I believe. Especially if you are in situations like berserk down/not using red curry buns.
Outside byakko's will definitally win.
Well then wouldn't +2 almost always be better then? I'm assuming you would need more attack outside of abyssea, doing voidwatch. In my opinion, gearing towards anything else seems like a waste of time i.e. limbus or something.
Siren.Smalegod said:
i recently got kirin osode with 3 crit hit dmg and 1 dbl attk on it would that be better then grim for ws?
also going to assume grim still wins, if +2 does. (In low attack situations.)
AF3+2>crit dmg 4 byakko's inside of abyssea I believe. Especially if you are in situations like berserk down/not using red curry buns. Outside byakko's will definitally win.
Well then wouldn't +2 almost always be better then? I'm assuming you would need more attack outside of abyssea, doing voidwatch. In my opinion, gearing towards anything else seems like a waste of time.
The af3+2 vs byakkos was brought up for inside abyssea about 2 pages ago for inside abyssea. capped attack went slightly to byakko's, otherwise af3+2 won.
Outside of abyssea you dont have Cruor buffs/RR capping your dDex so you need to gear dex into ukko's fury. Otherwise you will have a very low critrate and see bad returns. Also many voidwatch nms have rather high eva so the dex might actually have returns in the acc department.
ravager's cuisses +2 against byakko's haidate with critdmg +4 is almost identical to atheling mantle against cavaros mantle (which as stated above, high attack situations makes the latter more outstanding); just putting that out there as a base comparison and for input on initial thoughts, since i'm certain quite a few of us already acknowledge atheling mantle being better than cavaros mantle overall for most situations
rumor states (last i recall) that it takes your critical hit rate and basically doubles it; wouldn't know for 200-300% tp, but i wouldn't be surprised if 200% tripled it and 300% quadrupled it, because all my 200-300% ukko's even outside are all like
that's 85 btw, not even 90; my 90 amano would peak at like 3.7k on that thing :(
Outside of abyssea you dont have Cruor buffs/RR capping your dDex so you need to gear dex into ukko's fury. Otherwise you will have a very low critrate and see bad returns
Depending on where you are dDEX-wise, you may not be gaining much. I'd be leery of using Byakko's on new content, or even higher level old content, without a full DEX setup (debatable utility as enemy AGI increases) or in low acc situations (where the new acc+16 str+7 critrate+2% subligar would more than likely be better still).
Odin.Sawtelle said:
Does anyone know how much crit rate you gain from tp at 100% TP on ukko's? Looked around and couldn't find it.
rumor states (last i recall) that it takes your critical hit rate and basically doubles it; wouldn't know for 200-300% tp, but i wouldn't be surprised if 200% tripled it and 300% quadrupled it, because all my 200-300% ukko's even outside are all like
that's 85 btw, not even 90; my 90 amano would peak at like 3.7k on that thing :(
Doing testing on ukko's crit rate now. Will post back once I finish slaughtering lvl1 bunnys.
And yeah, I normally use a set that has heca subligar+1 with crit rate+4. Switch to using the higher dex set if I'm getting really low ukko's on things.
Hello, i'm almost halfway on my ukon so i just started thinkin about some possible WS sets, but well, i'm not sure what i should build, STR or DA Crit ecc.
Any suggestion is appreciated ^-^
1st set mainly focused on str could be like this :
http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/205175
2nd set with some more DA Crit% and Crit dmg :
http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/205179
i'm also thinkin about Twilight helm and Ares's flanchard
