Would This Work As A TP Neck Piece?

Got it the other day and well i like it lol not sure if it would out do say a love torque or anything. Wondering what other thf's thought and if they know what the stats on these gorgets maxed out on for crit hit augment/subtle blow.

It's decent. I'd probably rather use Agasaya's Collar or tricel or tolero mostly cause either more SB and stats that add more to dmg or defense

I think max is SB+5, Crit+3. It's a nice piece if you don't need the attack/acc on other options, maybe even better.

im not convinced that 5/5 with a terciel neck piece at 1 haste short over my build :| i would lvoe to get a crit +3 SB +5 if its actually something i can get :D time to keep trying.

So doing some quick math at around 1.5ish pdif and base 75% crit rate and +38% crit dmg, + 3% crit rate would be about 1.25-1.3% increase to dps.

8 attack kinda did just a quick check but was more like 2%ish. Hard to really do without knowing exact buffs/att and close guess on mob def

Well you also got to look at you aren't really losing 1% haste. In fact with the fact you are using peices with such high amounts and using 2 1% peices you almost get exactly 25% on the dot.

But for maths sake going for the 5/5 with 25% build to something else with 26%+ build only adds 2/1024 haste

its almost all moot at this point it seems lol

Pretty much. It's hard to really get much out dps gains from your tp set with what you got. At least in abyssea

thoughts on outside abyssea?

What now or the speculative future?

eh lets have fun and say both~

Inside abyssea i do the 5/5+2, With near ~35% Triple Attack rate I see set bonus proc fairly often, and im almost sure its been proven 5/5 set offers better-than-expected proc rate (I.E, 4/5 give you lke 3%, where as 5/5 gives you 5%~6% instead of 4%).

Outside of Abyssea you're probably better off with 4/5 and capping haste... Due to missing 15% Triple Attack (From Apoc).

As for the Collar? Looks nice to me. You're losing 3acc, 8atk, and the other thing for some SB and Critical hit Rate, I don't think its an awful Trade-off. Outside Abyssea.

But hey, IDK =.=a

Right now outside of abyssea is fairly similar to inside. In that you are auto capping acc fstr. Your crit rate and +crit dmg is a bit less but you also will have a higher pdif since you wont have hardly any or any lvl correct factor and mobs with def based around lvl 75... so I'd say the neck comparison would be about the same. Well cept love torque since you wont be capping Ddex.

But yeah outside of abyssea is kinda silly now. The highest lvl mobs are non nms they recently added now

Later on hard to tell... mobs tended to be fairly accurate/evasive decently high so tolero might become decently more useful for tanking and agas/love for actually hitting and not for 0 and such.

I'd say no for tric either way though. Loss of trip rate kinda makes that really small haste loss hurt more.

Oh i was talking about using the neck for just TP phase, not tanking or anything.

Well no one really liked thf tp on mobs outside of abyssea if they weren't tanking... your dmg is alot lamer and mob tp moves were more of a concern since your tanks don't automatically have 2-5k hp and whm don't have 15 refresh solo.

And if you have multiple people tping on the same mob at the same time not even sure I'd bother caring about subtle blow

THF+ mage duo outside too~ damage isnt amazing but its still good. I can solo evis lolskygods for about 1000ish if i remember right so its not HORRIBLE

Inside abyssea I'd put love decently lower for tping

Just 7 att is decently subpar compared to the others

Well than you are tanking... also DE almost always beat evisceration before...

Nah Evisceration was roughly been equal with DE pre-Abyssea on any mob you could get a decent crit rate on (Colibri for instance). It'd have better spikes with crits that put it on equal terms, though DE would do better if you couldn't spike a crit.

It would pull ahead definitively if you had X's Knife though.

The problem is you are only getting around 25% crit rate at most usually. I never really xp'd on thf. But eviscerations never came close to my DE's on average.

it didnt before but with new gear and higher dex/crit gear it actually pulls ahead for me.

Treelo's testing, without X's Knife, put Evisceration just barely ahead of Dancing Edge (3 dmg average). With X's Knife, Evisceration pulled away (140~ dmg differential).

Testing was with Blau/SK on Colibri, unstacked WS.

http://killingifrit.com/forums/topic/175918-dancing-edge-v-evisceration/

For reference this is what happens to the numbers when you throw X's Knife in. Same test method only with X's/Blau

http://killingifrit.com/forums/topic/175893-everything-you-need-to-know-about-your-xs-knife/

So how many people checked the post date on these posts because they were wondering what year they were made.?

I saw 75 cap weapons and said *** it, lol.

The argument was about pre-Abyssea DE vs. EV. A test showing equivalency pre-Abyssea is completely relevant.

I expect Evisceration to remain on top even post-Abyssea as long as we cap reach the normal 25% crit cap per this testing.

Assuming you will keep capped Ddex is a big assumption

Well, I sure as hell haven't seen EV topping DE 90% of the time outside of Abyssea. For instance, with about 150 total Dex, while doing evasion Kila trials on birds and puks, I SA DE for 2500-3400 but can only reach ~2800 max (with AC on) with EV. I think this EV is better now outside Abyssea stuff is just wishful thinking.

Can't say their damage was always the same or that evis has secretly been better. That test doesn't point out that DE will do better on high pdif and evis does better on low pdif. Sure enough there is a pdif point where they will do the same. Still, this was the the rule of thumb a good thf used back at 75. Capped dDex was always not a issue for thf, unless we were on hnm, which we wouldn't use any of these ws anyway.

Stacking skews the results because Evis can crit without stacking and DE cannot. If you want to bring stacking into the mix pretty sure Shark Bite is going to win.


True, but on anything you're using DE/EV on you would probably hit cap. As Lap pointed out, anything really tough, like NMs, you're probably better off using Shark Bite anyway.

It wont.

The only point of using SB is on things with high evasion or def you think you'll be missing hits on or that craps your pdif so bad that crits needed to make up for it. In the case of def you should be using manstab instead of SB.

Also stacking doesn't skew that much on a ws that is doing 6+hits.