NIN TP Set/s
NIN TP set/s
Leviathan.Draugo said: »
I enjoy being able to pop off Hi's every 10-13 seconds. Takes most things down very quickly. Plus allows for greater TP gain when trying to proc red with 1 handed weapons. It's worked well for me. If you prefer a DA Katana, how does it work for you?
Phoenix.Hawkhellfire said: »
I enjoy being able to pop off Hi's every 10-13 seconds. Takes most things down very quickly. Plus allows for greater TP gain when trying to proc red with 1 handed weapons. It's worked well for me. If you prefer a DA Katana, how does it work for you?
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
Phoenix.Hawkhellfire said: »
I enjoy being able to pop off Hi's every 10-13 seconds. Takes most things down very quickly. Plus allows for greater TP gain when trying to proc red with 1 handed weapons. It's worked well for me. If you prefer a DA Katana, how does it work for you?
Meh, time is a moot point if you already have it. It has worked well for me and I have no regrets on making it. Nor do the other NINs I know that went and made one as well. Wish they let you "rent" a trial weapon for like 15 min to see how you like it before going through the trial. Doubt SE would ever go for that though.
Good math and a quick hop to the test server both provide that opportunity.
How's nefarious collar and rancor mantle do against Rancor collar / Atheling mantle?
Siren.Mcclane said: »
Don't af and relic +2 have same dual wield though? Unless someone has some test that says otherwise, relic +2 with same dual wield smokes regular AF.
def60, acc15, and attack20 (+ ranged stuff that doesn't much matter) > def41, hp15, and vit3.
As for rancor, it does me no good when I'm tanking - that extra damage hurts when you get ga'd. I use it for Hi, but swap it out. I know people will argue this, but ninja's survival needs to be in account - I'm not foolish enough to believe my nin is a pure DD. If you like the rancor, cool, no need to flame me for my reasoning though.
I know Byakkos and Usu feet are nice, but I don't have them and am not exactly trying to blow the time/money involved for the slight boost.
I thought relic +2 is only 3% DW compared to the 5% of the AF.
Fenrir.Leoheart said: »
Af is 5%, relic is 3%~
And Koga Hakama +2 are 7%.
Asura.Chanceikin said: »
As for rancor, it does me no good when I'm tanking - that extra damage hurts when you get ga'd. I use it for Hi, but swap it out. I know people will argue this, but ninja's survival needs to be in account - I'm not foolish enough to believe my nin is a pure DD. If you like the rancor, cool, no need to flame me for my reasoning though.
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EDIT: Nightfyre totally beat me to it...
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
I dunno, not using DT macros as appropriate is pretty foolish. Anticipating -gas isn't hard.
I don't use windower or spellcast, so I gotta do things the hard way. Just to do a blade: hi costs me 3 macros.
I have DT gear, but only bring it out for certain situations and use a separate book when using that.
Basically, the rancor is just a preference.
I get one extra acc with sea torque and don't have to worry about getting face-raped as much while wearing it. It's also a base vs circumstance thing. Torque brings up base damage compared to rancor, but rancor has 5% crit rate. It's like deciding on Prosilio Belt for Drakesbane.. losing the DA in exchange to bring the base up.
In truth, I rarely even wear the torque, I usually rock the torero for the extra subtle blow and evasion, unless it's VW and I know I wont be tanking so much.
I like the usu feet, but I don't have them yet.. 2/3 on making them, in that case I would switch up and put twilight belt back in.
Also, does anyone have a test on the relic +2 body? I went over to BG and couldn't find a number or a test.
Rancor's an essential in my opinion, Hope torques lost a lot of value from where I stand.
As for the DT on rancor though.
+10% of *** all is still *** all.
Most of the time you're tanking on ninja you won't be taking damage anyway bar voidwatch.
If it's magic then MDT set when applicable for -Ga's.
As for the DT on rancor though.
+10% of *** all is still *** all.
Most of the time you're tanking on ninja you won't be taking damage anyway bar voidwatch.
If it's magic then MDT set when applicable for -Ga's.
3% DW on relic +2 body
Asura.Chanceikin said: »
Also, does anyone have a test on the relic +2 body? I went over to BG and couldn't find a number or a test.
That's what they're talking about, I'm pretty sure.
Asura.Chanceikin said: »
I don't use windower or spellcast, so I gotta do things the hard way. Just to do a blade: hi costs me 3 macros.
Asura.Chanceikin said: »
Also, does anyone have a test on the relic +2 body? I went over to BG and couldn't find a number or a test.
Thanks for confirmation, still kind of like the relic+2 cause of damage and accuracy with only slight loss to DW from af.
I got Twilight and 2 decent dark rings.. mostly use them for shin runs on my mnk. I do have a book for when needed on nin.
It's not an excuse though, it's my preference. Sure, you're not likely to get hit so much.. but when you do get hit by something nasty and it *** up your run, even if the chance is slight.. it exists, and I'm out here with no margin for error. I do lowman, usually for money with my reputation on the line. I got whacked by amaltheia ram charge doing a run while wearing the rancor (caught me while applying ni), it hit for 1500ish and I had 1460 HPs. Sure, it was a rare occurrence, but it happens. That's why I prefer other necks.
Having to worry about 2 extra macros just so that I can have a 5% chance to crit on regular attacks seems like a lot of work for a little return.
I appreciate the info and opinions, was just trying to offer the original poster options.
I got Twilight and 2 decent dark rings.. mostly use them for shin runs on my mnk. I do have a book for when needed on nin.
It's not an excuse though, it's my preference. Sure, you're not likely to get hit so much.. but when you do get hit by something nasty and it *** up your run, even if the chance is slight.. it exists, and I'm out here with no margin for error. I do lowman, usually for money with my reputation on the line. I got whacked by amaltheia ram charge doing a run while wearing the rancor (caught me while applying ni), it hit for 1500ish and I had 1460 HPs. Sure, it was a rare occurrence, but it happens. That's why I prefer other necks.
Having to worry about 2 extra macros just so that I can have a 5% chance to crit on regular attacks seems like a lot of work for a little return.
I appreciate the info and opinions, was just trying to offer the original poster options.
Asura.Chanceikin said: »
Thanks for confirmation, still kind of like the relic+2 cause of damage and accuracy with only slight loss to DW from af.
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it's my preference to play in an inefficient manner when an easy and superior option is readily available to me
I have never died as a result of using Rancor Collar. There is no reasonable excuse to not use it whenever possible.
Worth it to use Koga Hak +2 even without Shinobi Ring? Basically... Does Koga/Iga feet beat Byakko(+4 Crit damage, no Usu boots >.<)/Iga feet?
Assuming using Kannagi/Arisui your delay with 26% Haste and 50%DW (Zukin, Suppa, Ninja Chainmail) your delay should be 153.32355.
Then with what you're suggesting 21% Haste 57% Dual Wield (Zukin, Suppa, Chainmail, Koga +2) your delay should be 140.50035.
While the delay does shave a bit you'll be losing dDEX and whatever augments you have on your Haidate.
p.s. I used the forumula:
New Delay = Old Delay (1-Haste)(1-DW)
Then with what you're suggesting 21% Haste 57% Dual Wield (Zukin, Suppa, Chainmail, Koga +2) your delay should be 140.50035.
While the delay does shave a bit you'll be losing dDEX and whatever augments you have on your Haidate.
p.s. I used the forumula:
New Delay = Old Delay (1-Haste)(1-DW)
My poor attempt to answer Nemesio's question, messing around with Kinematic's spreadsheet:
I in no way wish to say/imply these are the best sets (gonna vary on situation/buffs + can probably improve on these sets), but these are what I used for this:
TP:
WS:
Of course Koga Legs +2 will lose ground with Marches up. Though as a sidenote, I found that inside aby Kamone was still winning vs. a Str Arisui, though that's a whole other story that would probably need to be looked into more.
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Assuming Berserk / Haste / Red Curry Bun only buffs vs. Bukhis (with Dia II)
Outside Aby DPS:
215.855 (Koga legs +2 w/ Shinobi over Rajas)
206.833 (Koga legs +2 w/o Shinobi)
200.519 (Byakko's [Perfect] + Iga +2 feet)
197.251 (Iga +2 legs + Usu Feet)
Outside Aby DPS:
215.855 (Koga legs +2 w/ Shinobi over Rajas)
206.833 (Koga legs +2 w/o Shinobi)
200.519 (Byakko's [Perfect] + Iga +2 feet)
197.251 (Iga +2 legs + Usu Feet)
TP:
WS:
Of course Koga Legs +2 will lose ground with Marches up. Though as a sidenote, I found that inside aby Kamone was still winning vs. a Str Arisui, though that's a whole other story that would probably need to be looked into more.
Ninja Chainmail +1 would increase Koga's lead. Critrate from dDEX gives Haidate some ground but iirc it didn't allow them to overtake Koga.
Also worth noting that some of the stats in the NIN spreadsheet are currently inaccurate.
Also worth noting that some of the stats in the NIN spreadsheet are currently inaccurate.
Good point, Chainmail +1 was definitely ahead on fodder mobs (slightly behind on Bukhis. I haven't tried to update it to reflect more relevant mobs that are actually found outside aby, and numbers could just be related more towards your second point)(I got some reading to do!).
So........ I got real bored, and I'm making a G horn mule to follow me around and march myself with =3. Have double march+haste TP sets been brought up/posted somewhere?
I'm thinking something like this would be nice, but I think this might only be 78 or 79%~ delay reduction. Anyway, this is my basic idea for what to use, I'm sure it will change as people point out gear I'm overlooking that would be useful and new stuff comes out in the next update. So, what new/old gear is around I'm overlooking, or will be coming out next update to swap in?
EDIT: Also since I don't care about other people's parses, maybe I should be playing march/minuet and gearing for that instead? =3. Thoughts?
Kamugi on BG, it was my characters name originally before server mergers and blah blah blah, it's now my WHM mule's name.
I'm thinking something like this would be nice, but I think this might only be 78 or 79%~ delay reduction. Anyway, this is my basic idea for what to use, I'm sure it will change as people point out gear I'm overlooking that would be useful and new stuff comes out in the next update. So, what new/old gear is around I'm overlooking, or will be coming out next update to swap in?
EDIT: Also since I don't care about other people's parses, maybe I should be playing march/minuet and gearing for that instead? =3. Thoughts?
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
Kaerin's posts on BG
@Kaerin Offhanding Kannagi?
Cerberus.Elflegolas said: »
@Kaerin Offhanding Kannagi?
Probably didn't bother to put them in the right slots. No one offhands Kannagi.
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