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Best Job?
 Leviathan.Draylo
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-01-10 17:44:23
Bismarck.Helixx said: MNK/war
WAR/sam
Inside abyssea you won't have anyone close to them.
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Outside abyssea, BLU's do run out of MP, and don't have magic attack atmas. They are decent, but honestly, a mediocre MNK or WAR >>>>>>> mediocre BLU by light years.
Yes a mediocre BLU, they won't touch a well geared BLU however. This has always been the case, a low end ~ mediocre BLU (which is the norm) sucks *** compared to almost everything due to how heavy BLU relies on gear for spell sets. Running out of MP shouldn't be an issue for most BLU, you are talking about high end NM's I am assuming. We will be getting the same buffs your precious DD are.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-01-10 17:44:25
Leviathan.Draylo said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Leviathan.Draylo said: (58 mp)Vanity Dive 1k~
(91 mp)Quad Contiuum(with CA/efflux) 3k~
(74 mp)Dissv 1k~
(61 mp)H barrage 1k~
(28 mp)Delta Thrust 500-1k~
(61 mp)f rip 500~
(56 mp)B typhoon 1k~
(76 mp)Gob rush 1k~
(505 total mp spent, not including conserve mp procs) These are also not very practical because you can pretty much spam 3 with the appropriate haste buffs(haste spell which blu can do by itself, marches, fast cast etc). With haste buffs, spells can be spammed and you don't have to rotate through all those. Average BLU will run with 800 MP or so. If we are talking a highly buffed situation, in comparison to other DD, a BLU will most definitely pull ahead by miles. This also doesn't account for melee swings in between spell spamming.
This is average dmg on end game mobs for a BLU. This is all the proof you need outside of specific buffing scenario. This is what BLU does with 0 buffs.
Perhaps you did not get it the first time.
Here how about this. The PUP would out DD you.
It did a blizzard 5 for 6.5k and WSed for 1.5k and finished the mob faster.
My proof? Well I just gave you evidence which is better than some skewed math parse or something.
No
He's offering up as much evidence as you are.
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By Titan.Darkwizardzin 2011-01-10 17:44:40
Leviathan.Draylo said: I am giving you the numbers here. Those are proven dmg numbers for any well geared BLU. Use your logic and you will figure out how much BLU is capable of with adequate buffs or even no buffs in comparison to a buffed or non buffed DD. once again you are asking people to do the work. And once again you have offered no proof of the numbers you have given other then your word.
 Phoenix.Fredjan
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By Phoenix.Fredjan 2011-01-10 17:45:31
someone posted a pic of an ukko's (woe gaxe) WAR pretty much soloing Glavoid in 2 minutes >.>
haters gonna hate.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-01-10 17:46:36
Leviathan.Draylo said: Bismarck.Helixx said: MNK/war
WAR/sam
Inside abyssea you won't have anyone close to them.
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Outside abyssea, BLU's do run out of MP, and don't have magic attack atmas. They are decent, but honestly, a mediocre MNK or WAR >>>>>>> mediocre BLU by light years.
Yes a mediocre BLU, they won't touch a well geared BLU however. This has always been the case, a low end ~ mediocre BLU (which is the norm) sucks *** compared to almost everything due to how heavy BLU relies on gear for spell sets. Running out of MP shouldn't be an issue for most BLU, you are talking about high end NM's I am assuming. We will be getting the same buffs your precious DD are. lol if you think blu can beat war and mnk. Silly blu
Leviathan.Draylo
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-01-10 17:46:53
You are asking for unrealistic proof, I am not gonna go out and spam all those spells on every NM in old content just to appease you. I assure you, those are common averages for those spells. Believe me ok?
Leviathan.Draylo
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-01-10 17:47:08
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: Leviathan.Draylo said: Bismarck.Helixx said: MNK/war
WAR/sam
Inside abyssea you won't have anyone close to them.
_______________________________________________________________________
Outside abyssea, BLU's do run out of MP, and don't have magic attack atmas. They are decent, but honestly, a mediocre MNK or WAR >>>>>>> mediocre BLU by light years.
Yes a mediocre BLU, they won't touch a well geared BLU however. This has always been the case, a low end ~ mediocre BLU (which is the norm) sucks *** compared to almost everything due to how heavy BLU relies on gear for spell sets. Running out of MP shouldn't be an issue for most BLU, you are talking about high end NM's I am assuming. We will be getting the same buffs your precious DD are. lol if you think blu can beat war and mnk. Silly blu
Outside of abyssea, yes they can.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-01-10 17:48:15
Leviathan.Draylo said: Sylph.Tigerwoods said: Leviathan.Draylo said: Bismarck.Helixx said: MNK/war
WAR/sam
Inside abyssea you won't have anyone close to them.
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Outside abyssea, BLU's do run out of MP, and don't have magic attack atmas. They are decent, but honestly, a mediocre MNK or WAR >>>>>>> mediocre BLU by light years.
Yes a mediocre BLU, they won't touch a well geared BLU however. This has always been the case, a low end ~ mediocre BLU (which is the norm) sucks *** compared to almost everything due to how heavy BLU relies on gear for spell sets. Running out of MP shouldn't be an issue for most BLU, you are talking about high end NM's I am assuming. We will be getting the same buffs your precious DD are. lol if you think blu can beat war and mnk. Silly blu
Outside of abyssea, yes they can. Firstly, outside of abyssea? who gives a ***. Secondly, nope, sorry.
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By Titan.Darkwizardzin 2011-01-10 17:49:39
Leviathan.Draylo said: You are asking for unrealistic proof, I am not gonna go out and spam all those spells on every NM in old content just to appease you. I assure you, those are common averages for those spells. Believe me ok? It's unrealistic that you think "word of mouth" proof with 0 work put into it is gonna sway people. put in the work or be quiet with your opinions because your not gonna change peoples minds.
Leviathan.Draylo
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-01-10 17:49:41
Please tell me how a MNK or a WAR can compare to BLU dmg then, outside of abyssea. That is what these toads were talking about this whole time, blu IS the best DD outside of abyssea. This is facts. Level correction has made BLU a god.
Leviathan.Draylo
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-01-10 17:50:06
Titan.Darkwizardzin said: Leviathan.Draylo said: You are asking for unrealistic proof, I am not gonna go out and spam all those spells on every NM in old content just to appease you. I assure you, those are common averages for those spells. Believe me ok? It's unrealistic that you think "word of mouth" proof with 0 work put into it is gonna sway people. put in the work or be quiet with your opinions because your not gonna change peoples minds.
It's not "word of mouth" I am a BLU main and I know this for fact.
 Bismarck.Helixx
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By Bismarck.Helixx 2011-01-10 17:51:15
Leviathan.Draylo said: Please tell me how a MNK or a WAR can compare to BLU dmg then, outside of abyssea. That is what these toads were talking about this whole time, blu IS the best DD outside of abyssea. This is facts. Level correction has made BLU a god.
Victory smite 5k spam. Got to see it to believe it.
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By Titan.Darkwizardzin 2011-01-10 17:52:08
Leviathan.Draylo said: Titan.Darkwizardzin said: Leviathan.Draylo said: You are asking for unrealistic proof, I am not gonna go out and spam all those spells on every NM in old content just to appease you. I assure you, those are common averages for those spells. Believe me ok? It's unrealistic that you think "word of mouth" proof with 0 work put into it is gonna sway people. put in the work or be quiet with your opinions because your not gonna change peoples minds. It's not "word of mouth" I am a BLU main and I know this for fact. yes you know this for a fact good for you but we aren't you. All im asking is a reason for us to belive you. As has been said many times "your word" is meaningless without proof to back it up.
Sylph.Kimble
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By Sylph.Kimble 2011-01-10 17:52:17
Come on man, you cant just make claims and expect people to believe.
I can say im a MNK main and do 5k fists every 5 seconds, doesnt mean anyone is going to believe just because I said im a mnk main.
Leviathan.Draylo
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-01-10 17:52:17
Unrealistic buff situations are unrealistic. Need some info there bud.
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By Fairy.Spence 2011-01-10 17:52:17
Mythbusters is the best job.
Leviathan.Draylo
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-01-10 17:52:41
Do you read? Did you see what I was even referring to?
Leviathan.Draylo
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-01-10 17:53:48
Titan.Darkwizardzin said: Leviathan.Draylo said: Titan.Darkwizardzin said: Leviathan.Draylo said: You are asking for unrealistic proof, I am not gonna go out and spam all those spells on every NM in old content just to appease you. I assure you, those are common averages for those spells. Believe me ok? It's unrealistic that you think "word of mouth" proof with 0 work put into it is gonna sway people. put in the work or be quiet with your opinions because your not gonna change peoples minds. It's not "word of mouth" I am a BLU main and I know this for fact. yes you know this for a fact good for you but we aren't you. All im asking is a reason for us to belive you. As has been said many times "your word" is meaningless without proof to back it up.
You are asking me to go spend unreal amounts of time to provide enough PROF to appease these toads. These are average numbers for those spells, any BLU worth his salt can attest to those numbers outside of abyssea.
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By Asura.Solara 2011-01-10 17:54:40
Bismarck.Josiahfk said: I still havent gotten a clear answer yet. I choose a lvl 98 crab because it wouldnt have any weaknesses a job can exploit to boost damage + high defense.
So after 6 hrs which job would come out on top damage wise? every job has the best possible gear and its outside abssyea no endless mp draylo
Is war really on top still? I'm surprised
War wins inside and outside Abyssea on neutral mobs.
Bismarck.Helixx
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By Bismarck.Helixx 2011-01-10 17:54:43
Leviathan.Draylo said: Unrealistic buff situations are unrealistic. Need some info there bud.
You where talking about "best possible buffs", now you have them on another job and it's "unrealistic buffs".
Smelling a failed troll attempt
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-01-10 17:55:05
Leviathan.Draylo said: Please tell me how a MNK or a WAR can compare to BLU dmg then, outside of abyssea. That is what these toads were talking about this whole time, blu IS the best DD outside of abyssea. This is facts. Level correction has made BLU a god. god of lol, maybe. Blu doesn't output more dmg than a mnk or a war. Mnk punches stuff, war swings gax at stuff, uses JA and WS when appropriate and the end result is more dmg than the blu, pretty simple as that.
A complex question to say the least, simply because of what we can be talking about, dmg output, soloing, the necessity of having a healer, whats the mob etc...
But, if you had to decide which job would be the best to take to 90 (99, whatever), taking these things into account what would you say comes out with the most pros? For example consider a graph, a questionnaire of scale, 1 -10, one category is DMG output over speicified amount of time, one is the ability to Solo on a scale of 1 - 10 (which would most likely rest on the amount of mobs the job can take on as opposed to which can take on the least)
Of these categories, what job would you say comes out with the most points?
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