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Best Job?
 Leviathan.Pimpchan
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By Leviathan.Pimpchan 2011-01-10 17:12:52
Shiva.Flionheart said: Lakshmi.Blacklion said: Bismarck.Josiahfk said: Lakshmi.Blacklion said: DRK would come top damage, Why? They have No crit WS's, No thing Unique about them, And They look cool. yes we know your avatar would be near the bottom for dmg, no need to be bitter
Eh, PLD is my favorite job, i don't use it like... ever but i still like it. And acually i can Spam 3k Vorpals on it so it's not like it does terrible Damage all the time, but yeah people asking what job would be the strongest etc etc is kinda silly, especially since it depends on the player more than the job Shiva.Flionheart said: Lakshmi.Blacklion said: Bismarck.Josiahfk said: Lakshmi.Blacklion said: DRK would come top damage, Why? They have No crit WS's, No thing Unique about them, And They look cool. yes we know your avatar would be near the bottom for dmg, no need to be bitter
Eh, PLD is my favorite job, i don't use it like... ever but i still like it. And acually i can Spam 3k Vorpals on it so it's not like it does terrible Damage all the time, but yeah people asking what job would be the strongest etc etc is kinda silly, especially since it depends on the player more than the job
Not quite. Pre abyssea, ***SAMs could crank out good dmg because Gekko was idiot proof.
Don't think you played the same game as me. Gekko sucked ball on pretty much anything.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-01-10 17:13:43
We all know you played an alternate game where everything is upside down Pchan.
 Leviathan.Draylo
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-01-10 17:14:13
They don't ever heard of Penta thrust mayn.
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By Odin.Sinharvest 2011-01-10 17:14:32
Leviathan.Draylo said: Yes outside at current level, 90, BLU is the best melee DD. 
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-01-10 17:15:28
Oh no, I heard of Pentathrust.
Gekko was still relatively idiot proof.
Leviathan.Draylo
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-01-10 17:15:33
I don't need to prove anything, believe me or not. I don't care to go and parse a mob (which is highly skewed to begin with) just to appease you. If you want someone to run numbers, get someone else, I could care less to prove it to you what all that dmg in ~1m can do in comparison to other jobs.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-01-10 17:16:41
Leviathan.Draylo said: I don't need to prove anything, believe me or not. I don't care to go and parse a mob (which is highly skewed to begin with) just to appease you. If you want someone to run numbers, get someone else, I could care less to prove it to you what all that dmg in ~1m can do in comparison to other jobs.
It's ok, I understand if you can't back up the claims you make.
Leviathan.Draylo
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-01-10 17:17:25
How bout you show me a well geared x compared to BLU with all the proof you are asking from me and we will see.
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By Siren.Flunklesnarkin 2011-01-10 17:18:08
everybody is ignoring bst for some reason >_>
rampage crits on ws's nicely with RR + SS + GH atma
and nazuna is a critical hit monster too :O
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-01-10 17:18:58
I'm not making any claims, Burden of proof is on you.
I could use this logic in another way
Quote: person1: Hey guys, god exists.
person2: Prove that he exists!
person1: Prove he doesn't exist!
Leviathan.Draylo
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-01-10 17:19:11
Lets also consider defense as well, occulation for 7+ shadows anyone? flashga? How long will your super powered DD last, or are we not considering staying alive a factor. What is the scenario we are speaking about in old content. Most old content you will not have 3 bards 2 bards etc. You will be low manning an easy *** NM, in which blu will blow any other DD out the water in terms of pure DD and survivability/usefulness.
Leviathan.Draylo
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-01-10 17:20:04
Parses are skewed and HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-01-10 17:20:26
If it's that easy, it shouldn't be hard to find proof somewhere in the interwebs that's more tangible than eyeballing and your word.
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2011-01-10 17:20:37
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Leviathan.Draylo said: I don't need to prove anything, believe me or not. I don't care to go and parse a mob (which is highly skewed to begin with) just to appease you substantiate my *** claims. If you want someone to run numbers, get someone else, I could care less to prove it to you what all that dmg in ~1m can do in comparison to other jobs.
Ftfy.
Think I will put this chart back in here again..
Chart is silly and largely inaccurate.
Leviathan.Draylo
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-01-10 17:22:01
Shiva.Flionheart said: If it's that easy, it shouldn't be hard to find proof somewhere in the interwebs that's more tangible than eyeballing and your word.
What are we talking about here for the scenario? Mob, size of group fighting it etc. Most old content, like I said previously, is done in small groups. BLU has the best in terms of overall usefulness, survivability and pure DMG. Most other DD's won't even touch what BLU can do in under a minute for pure DD without being buffed out the ***. Who the hell will bring all those buffs for old content these days? Why would it even be needed either.
Leviathan.Draylo
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-01-10 17:22:11
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Leviathan.Draylo said: Parses are skewed and HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.
You are skewed and HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE honestly.
no u
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-01-10 17:24:35
Leviathan.Draylo said: Shiva.Flionheart said: If it's that easy, it shouldn't be hard to find proof somewhere in the interwebs that's more tangible than eyeballing and your word.
What are we talking about here for the scenario? Mob, size of group fighting it etc. Most old content, like I said previously, is done in small groups. BLU has the best in terms of overall usefulness, survivability and pure DMG. Most other DD's won't even touch what BLU can do in under a minute for pure DD without being buffed out the ***. Who the hell will bring all those buffs for old content these days? Why would it even be needed either.
All I'm saying is: If you're going to make a claim then at least have tangible evidence to back it up. I could go into a thread with a myriad of believable numbers and make out that SAM was the best DD.
Leviathan.Draylo
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-01-10 17:27:57
It's all the evidence you should need. Those numbers I gave for each spell are the average dmg they will do on most, if not all, end game mobs (barring specific defensive ws) in old content.
By Artemicion 2011-01-10 17:29:00
Leviathan.Draylo said: Parses are skewed and HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.
So math is false?
I think the only time parses come out inaccurately is when they calculate damage done beyond the HP capacity of the mob killed.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-01-10 17:29:13
Leviathan.Draylo said: It's all the evidence you should need. Those numbers I gave for each spell are the average dmg they will do on most, if not all, end game mobs (barring specific defensive ws) in old content. Well excuse me if I don't take your word for it. Don't feel bad, I wouldn't take anyone's word without some proof :)
Leviathan.Draylo
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-01-10 17:29:48
Okay and is this fully buffed? What buffs are you talking about.. like this situation matters crab.. but which buffs are they recieving/mob given(dia, angon etc)
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-01-10 17:30:13
Artemicion said: Leviathan.Draylo said: Parses are skewed and HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.
So math is false?
I think the only time parses come out inaccurately is when they calculate damage done beyond the HP capacity of the mob killed. parses doesn't show the difference between jobs, so yes, they can be false. It only shows the difference between individual players.
Leviathan.Draylo
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-01-10 17:31:19
Artemicion said: Leviathan.Draylo said: Parses are skewed and HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.
So math is false?
I think the only time parses come out inaccurately is when they calculate damage done beyond the HP capacity of the mob killed.
Parses shouldn't be associated with mathing out pure dmg.... Parses are skewed, show me one where everyone engaged at the exact same time, everyone received the exact same dmg, the mob did the exact same ws every fight, nobody had lag etc. They are not accurate for telling which job does the best dmg for x situation. Human error, random luck with TP moves etc can change the parse and skew the data. Mathing > Parses.
A complex question to say the least, simply because of what we can be talking about, dmg output, soloing, the necessity of having a healer, whats the mob etc...
But, if you had to decide which job would be the best to take to 90 (99, whatever), taking these things into account what would you say comes out with the most pros? For example consider a graph, a questionnaire of scale, 1 -10, one category is DMG output over speicified amount of time, one is the ability to Solo on a scale of 1 - 10 (which would most likely rest on the amount of mobs the job can take on as opposed to which can take on the least)
Of these categories, what job would you say comes out with the most points?
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