Charged Whisker

So well, i just had time to do some testing tonight.
This time on detectors in aby - ule on waterday.
Indeed, memento mori and pleneilune doesn't stack as dasva said.
Was doing 4300~ or so with just memento mori and busrst affinity, difference between mavi tayt +2 and loki's kaftan over teal saio and slops was minimal, around 30 dmg more with teal.
I stil have to test in other areas with less influence from cruor buffs, but i guess that if even loki and tayts could beat teals in that situation would be for minimal difference too.
Enervation works nice too, bumped damage to 4700~, so i guess that with atma of the lion and obi+cape could reach the 6k mark.
I want lion ;_;

About the only time full fantod buff is worth using over MM and go method is if moon is in favor of Plenilune's MAB (only cause it last longer giving you 15+20 combined) and someone else is pulling for you allowing you to stand there and buff while they gather.

In most cases my LS does TE (300~500 minutes) this way with just me and a war doing fell cleave. Most the times I deliver the killing blows to everything and average around 4.9~5.1k range. Only time I've seen upwards of 5.5k was with weather/day bonus gear or if a brd decided to toss some Dex buffs my way. I still haven't had the chance to try this on lizards with AF+1 head, but I don't think I'd break 6k still without a few more select pieces of gear I'm still missing. Where is a personal cor when you want one?

I'm on Shiva! j/k j/k

any ideas and thoughts on how to improve this set up for CW with BA up? ib4 "wtf no hecates". im also next on loki's but turul doesnt like dropping it when im around. i use horn, ulimate, lion for atma.

+2 hands, Loki's, Hecates, Thunder Sachet, Thundersoul Ringx2 That's pretty much what I'd use with BA

It's not the absolute best, but you can get free Jupier's Rings (augmented even!) from the quest "An Acrididaen Anodyne" in Attowha (Fame 3).

Would Hecate's Cape (MAB +3) beat Nifty Mantle for a back slot?

Can anyone give a range on MAB to DEX comparisons for gearing purposes? I know it depends on your stats and gear and all that, but I don't need exact numbers, just a rule of thumb. For instance, will 1 DEX ever beat 1 MAB? What about 2 DEX?

Also, does Mavi Basmak +2 boost modifiers more than the +1, or still 166%?

+1 is 166% +2 is 200%

A rule of thumb you propose wont be anywhere near accurate due to just how widely stats can vary. You really need to give approximate amounts of dex int mab totals including all buffs you got and if using BA and if using af3 +1/2 feet

It's kinda funny, did they change this quest recently in anyway? I figured I'd do this with seals as a bonus, but it feels like the miasma blocks the way back back to the conflux after getting the rockhopper. I swear it didn't do this before.

Yeah same thing happening to me now

For example let's say you are not using BA have a good 200 dex 150 dint and only 50ish mab. Then 1 MAB ~ 4.4 dex.

Now let's say you got BA with af3+2 boots rocking say 129 mab only 186 dex and 83 dint (which assuming mob int of 80 is what I use right now in the first 3 zones). Then 1 MAB ~ 1.2 dex. Which is making me rethink some gear choices that I'm probably going to change right now lol.

And really you can have stats vary that much just based on having BA active or not and different zones/atma choices/abyssite of furtherance and self buffs mob debuffs really. A mighty huge difference

I don't cast Charged Whisker without BA up, and I have +2 boots. Lion/BH/Ultimate. Stats vary by zone since some stuff boosts Cruor buffs, but I have all Furtherance Abyssites.

As BLU/NIN in my Mog House with Charged Whisker spell set and gear on, I have:

(Elvaan)

DEX 73 + 63
INT 68 + 25
MAB + 30 in gear

Jupiter's Staff: Yes
AF3+2 Feet: Yes
MAB Trait set: Yes

Edit:

For reference, I'm trying to improve on this:



Some improvements are obvious, but it's the MAB vs DEX thing that's making me wonder.

My stats inside abyssea start at 132 Int 170 Dex and 125 mab. This is with full cruor buffs, Lion/BH/Ultimate, and an Ascetic's tonic.

Here is what I've noticed with my numbers. Without BA, 30 additional mab is about equivalent to an additional 60Int or 60Dex so roughly 1mab=2int=2.1dex

With burst Affinity however, DEX contributes a lot more than INT and approaches the number that MAB adds. For me it showed that 1Mab=1.15Dex=3Int.

What this means to me is basically that 1 mab is about equal to 2int or 2dex without burst affinity. However when using Burst Affinity like I normally do, Dex becomes a contender for my Mab slots. 7Dex rings would be better than my 3 mab Demon's rings and the Loki's Kafkan would beat out the Morrigan's robe when Morrigan's robe is better without BA.

In the end I don't think you could go wrong if you focused on stacking Mab and Dex. If you want just one set of gear I'd decide based on 1mab=2dex. If you made a separate set for BA I would consider 1 mab = 1.15 dex. I can't really recommend stacking INT (over mab and dex) as it seems to sit in the back seat when using BA. In addition I can't think of a item that has so much more INT than mab or dex that it would be worth using.

For you personally, if you have Lion/BH/Ultimate and max cruor buffs the changes I would make, besides the obvious, would be...

Artemis Medal
Thunder Satchet
Loki's Kafkan
Maat's cap - However, Aias is probably the best till you can get it.

As for the back piece it would preform about on par to the hecate's cape when using BA but it'd do worse without. There are also some rounding cases in which a small amount of dex doesn't actually increase the damage. On top of damage hecate's also has macc which is a slight plus.

This is what I am using right now for my whisker set with rr/lion/ultimate atmas.



I don't have any morrigans to use, but from what I have been reading, this seems to be the best setup. (or is it?) What i haven't seen though is what people use for their spells. Does anybody change them? If you do change them, what spells do you put in? Do you go with dex spells or int spells or a mixture of both? I just mostly put in dex spells.

This is what i normally have in at all times.

plasma charge
winds of promy
animating wail
battery charge
plenilune
quad.
goblin
whirl
vanity
frenetic
head butt
heat breath
dream flower
acrid stream
empty thrash
delta thrust
fantod


This is what i had it in for whisker.

plasma charge
animating wail
battery charge
plenilune
quad.
goblin
whirl
head butt
memento mori
dream flower
acrid stream
fantod
frypan
charged whisker
blitzstrahl
cocoon

In my mog with no atmas: 73+88 dex 68+13 int (elvaan)
In tahrongi i was 73+188 dex don't remember my int.
3900 on a dc scorp with memento + BA no food no drinks. Was hoping for more dmg, but i dunno.


Should i add more int spells or not?

Well... Novio of course, but otherwise - yes.

Ya i should have said "if you don't have a novio" lol. Would you mind listing the spells that you set for whisker if you don't mind? just curious what people set.

You should add Enervation to your spell list, it lowers their MDB.

Acrid stream is already set and is a better spell for 3 points instead of Enervation's 5

Yeah but Enervation doesn't do any damage to wake up the mobs while they're slept from Dream Flower.

Edit: Plus it's AoE instead of fan shaped.

This is the set i currently use:



Demon's ring has MAB+3 and Magic Crit. rate +2% on it.

On most CW friendly mobs, it hits around 5.5-6k and sometimes peaks at 6.3k (lightningsday). I use Atma of the lion, blinding horn, and ultimate. I realize there could be small upgrades to this set, (thundersoul rings, higher dex belt, cape maybe) but i feel the money wont be worth the minimal difference i'll see in damage. All in all this should be a what most builds should look like, or close to it. I've used this for a lot of things, TE/KI farming, Sisyphus fragment farming, and solo farming my refresh hairpin/dark rings. A good CW build is something i would encourage every blu to work on really :P

Very interesting there, you would go with 5 dex on the neck over the artemis' medal. Have you tried different things and that is what works best for you? How is your dmg so high? 5.5 to 6k is pretty beefy. Is blinding horn better than razed ruins? And would you mind showing what spells you have equipped as well please?

I havent tried Artemis' Medal, been meaning to but there arent many neck options for CW and i always forget about it haha. Generally Heroes zones are only 5.1-5.5k ish on Spectators/Golems. 5.5k+ is on things like raptors/brown birds in Misa. As for the Atmas i've always assumed BH was better than RR, so that's what i always use.

Keep in my mind, my spellset is made for solo pulling/CW burning right after so it might be a little different than some:

BLU/RDM
Charged Whisker
Dream flower
Whirl of Rage
Quadratic
Battery Charge
Plenilune Embrace
Memento Mori
Occultation
Regeneration
Fantod
Thermal Pulse
Actinic Burst
Cocoon

These are just the important spells. I slip in others depending on what im doing for traits etc.
If solo you just buff up (Cocoon, Phala, Ice Spikes, Occultation, etc)slap on pdt/mov speed gear, i usually pull until Occultation wears off, then get back to camp before i get smashed. Oh, i always use Aquaveil right before a pull, open with dream flower, Memento Mori/Ascetics if you have one > Fantod 3-5ish times > CW.
If the mobs survived they should only a couple % HP left and then i just Actinic Burst > Thermal Pulse to finish them. To make up for the loss of refresh you should be getting 2hour chests quite often and Ascetics from temp item chests.

I have been using Minikin Monstrosity in favor of Ultimate as of late for 2 reasons:

1) CW usually still does enough damage to wipe the group, and a final whirl will clean up any leftover stragglers.
2) I don't have to mess with temp items, restore boxes, or refresh to keep my MP up.

I'm not going to wow anyone with my numbers because I'm only doing around 4500 on CW, but I think it's easier because I can basically ignore my MP pool.

Hmm i totally get you there with the mm over ultimate for sure. Just went out to dem and was doing 4.7 on some liz action, but my mp was horrible even with 7 a tick. Following what Kollosis was saying with, occultation and phalanx and memento it can drain your mp pretty quickly as an elvaan.

I use Love Torque when Artemis is below 25% using this rule:

<if advanced="%MoonPCT >25">
<action type="Var" when="Precast" cmd="set NukeNeck Artemis' Medal"/>
</if>
<else>
<action type="Var" when="Precast" cmd="set NukeNeck Love Torque"/>
</else>

and

<neck>$NukeNeck</neck>

in my Magic Damage set.

PS: Does anyone have a 2.22 Obi/Twilight Rule? Or do I need to upgrade my spellcast to use that specific rule?

You could probably remove the WeatherElement bit since there's never any in abyssea, but then again maybe you have more SCH friends than I do :)

I use BLU CW burning outside of Abyssea as well for my trials lol, but thanks~