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Charged Whisker
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By Siren.Delirium 2011-03-05 20:14:33
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Siren.Delirium said: wouldnt the dex sachet (during ba) or even the af3 ammo be better? Skill only adds macc for nukes. Monster correlation would also push numbers higher, idr if that's relevant for the 6k.
okay so technically you could land max damage with 1 skill if you got lucky enough??
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-05 20:16:42
Siren.Delirium said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Siren.Delirium said: wouldnt the dex sachet (during ba) or even the af3 ammo be better? Skill only adds macc for nukes. Monster correlation would also push numbers higher, idr if that's relevant for the 6k. okay so technically you could land max damage with 1 skill if you got lucky enough?? Technically 0.
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2011-03-05 20:32:24
Bahamut.Dasva said: Siren.Delirium said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Siren.Delirium said: wouldnt the dex sachet (during ba) or even the af3 ammo be better? Skill only adds macc for nukes. Monster correlation would also push numbers higher, idr if that's relevant for the 6k. okay so technically you could land max damage with 1 skill if you got lucky enough?? Technically 0.
Actually... if you want to be technical, you can't even learn the spell with 0 blu skill ^^;
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-05 20:45:59
Ragnarok.Sekundes said: Bahamut.Dasva said: Siren.Delirium said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Siren.Delirium said: wouldnt the dex sachet (during ba) or even the af3 ammo be better? Skill only adds macc for nukes. Monster correlation would also push numbers higher, idr if that's relevant for the 6k. okay so technically you could land max damage with 1 skill if you got lucky enough?? Technically 0. Actually... if you want to be technical, you can't even learn the spell with 0 blu skill ^^; Technically night said "nukes" and not 1 in particular
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By Siren.Delirium 2011-03-05 20:58:35
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By Sylph.Bodhizapha 2011-03-05 21:08:31
on a side note, nightfyre did you change your avatar? there's a couple people who regularly post in here that i look to for blu wisdom, dasva is one, and one of the others was someone with a rabbit avatar(sorry forget the name). thought they posted alot in the cdc threads but cant seem to find their posts (im working on my cdc build thats why im plodding through the threads)
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By Odin.Blazza 2011-03-05 21:17:58
Bahamut.Raenryong said: Odin.Blazza said: Two blu's with good co-ordination could do very well with joint aoe farming. If you both round up mobs, taking half each (or each person taking a different group of mobs), you can have one person whirl of rage while the other uses dream flower. This would make one of the two most dangerous parts of AOE farming much safer, by eliminating the risk of spell interrupts and shortening the time the mobs have to hit you. Then if you both BA > Charged Whisker (I doubt there's any mob you'd need even Memento Mori on unless they take *** all lightning damage) you'd kill them all in one timed nuke, which eliminates the other dangerous part, where you wake up 20 mobs without killing them.
With Actinic Burst on, the woken up mobs never hit you anyway before you sleep em next :p but still valid points. Some mobs can still hit you with actinic burst, and are real *** for it, plus you still have that small window in between waking them up and casting actinic burst where they can rape you if you have enough mobs.
Oh, and Bodhizapha; Yes, it was Nightfyre's posts you were reading. He's pretty much the #1 go to guy for all things blu. Dasva knows his stuff too, but tends to present it in the most confusing manner possible. I'm fairly knowledgeable myself, but I ramble a lot and don't math ***up.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-05 21:20:07
With that many on you some are bound to hit you... hell even one on one I can't count how many times actinic burst fails to help me get ichi up on just xp mobs :(
By Serj 2011-03-05 21:21:11
Bismarck.Josiahfk said: you mean the blue Eevee? lol but I think this one he's using now is his old avatar, seems familiar
God, that makes me feel bad that we know people's avatars from months ago.
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By Odin.Blazza 2011-03-05 21:22:41
Bahamut.Dasva said: With that many on you some are bound to hit you... hell even one on one I can't count how many times actinic burst fails to help me get ichi up on just xp mobs :( Aye, but some mobs in particular I've noticed (can't remember which ones now). Some mobs I can round up the whole lot, actinic burst > dream flower no problems, others I'd have issues where even with actinic burst on, they've repeatedly interrupted dream flower's really short cast. And with the length of time actinic burst lasts, you generally only get two shots there. Going /rdm and using aquaveil helps a lot though.
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By Bismarck.Helel 2011-03-05 21:34:01
If you're gonna use more than 1 person, RDM + BLU works really well. I have my mule RDM I take with me and I just toss myself phalanx ii. That way I can go /war and use defender+cocoon+taco. Can round up pretty much any mob in any zone with that combo. /sch with phalanx would be ideal but I don't have it leveled on my mule. Overall it just gives you more versatility in case the zone is packed with people. Of course 2 blu's would work great too.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-05 21:36:05
Well yeah most DC mobs can have there dmg taken down to 0 with a decent pdt set + phalanx
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2011-03-05 22:14:51
Bahamut.Dasva said: Ragnarok.Sekundes said: Bahamut.Dasva said: Siren.Delirium said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Siren.Delirium said: wouldnt the dex sachet (during ba) or even the af3 ammo be better? Skill only adds macc for nukes. Monster correlation would also push numbers higher, idr if that's relevant for the 6k. okay so technically you could land max damage with 1 skill if you got lucky enough?? Technically 0. Actually... if you want to be technical, you can't even learn the spell with 0 blu skill ^^; Technically night said "nukes" and not 1 in particular Yea, I suppose, but the direct thread line of conversation was about whisker ^^;
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-05 22:16:51
Technically you can get resist with 31243453243 skill and elemental seal... I remember once getting a 1/8 resist as 75 blm on some random mob in south gustaberg a few years back even though I sealed it. I cried myself to sleep
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By Cerberus.Wolfshadow 2011-03-05 22:25:55
Bismarck.Josiahfk said: Bahamut.Dasva said: Technically you can get resist with 31243453243 skill and elemental seal... I remember once getting a 1/8 resist as 75 blm on some random mob in south gustaberg a few years back even though I sealed it. I cried myself to sleep lol I remember doing a manaburn and landing 5 nukes in a row 100% then explaining elemental seal to a new blm. I abruptly used it and my nuke did 1/4 dmg and they thought I was joking. > < Secret troll factor implemented by SE, there's lots of them. I swear to god, klimaform on SCH decreases my m.acc by phenomenal amounts, it's not even funny.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-03-05 22:27:43
Siren.Delirium said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Siren.Delirium said: wouldnt the dex sachet (during ba) or even the af3 ammo be better? Skill only adds macc for nukes. Monster correlation would also push numbers higher, idr if that's relevant for the 6k.
okay so technically you could land max damage with 1 skill if you got lucky enough?? Technically, yes. I really hope you're not trying to imply that you'd need macc beyond capped skill + dINT from gear on mobs you'd AoEburn.
Sylph.Bodhizapha said: on a side note, nightfyre did you change your avatar? there's a couple people who regularly post in here that i look to for blu wisdom, dasva is one, and one of the others was someone with a rabbit avatar(sorry forget the name). thought they posted alot in the cdc threads but cant seem to find their posts (im working on my cdc build thats why im plodding through the threads)
This? Yeah, changed my avatar the other day. I bounce between a few, though I tend to keep the same avatar for quite a while.
By Nightfyre 2011-03-05 22:29:15
This is the other main one, too lazy to upload it somewhere.
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By Cerberus.Wolfshadow 2011-03-05 22:34:36
Bismarck.Josiahfk said: Cerberus.Wolfshadow said: Bismarck.Josiahfk said: Bahamut.Dasva said: Technically you can get resist with 31243453243 skill and elemental seal... I remember once getting a 1/8 resist as 75 blm on some random mob in south gustaberg a few years back even though I sealed it. I cried myself to sleep lol I remember doing a manaburn and landing 5 nukes in a row 100% then explaining elemental seal to a new blm. I abruptly used it and my nuke did 1/4 dmg and they thought I was joking. > < Secret troll factor implemented by SE, there's lots of them. I swear to god, klimaform on SCH decreases my m.acc by phenomenal amounts, it's not even funny. lol but is that spell worth getting for a whm99/sch49? hmmmm I didn't even bother
Maybe for those emergency reposes against tonberry on lightday but bleh lol weak premise Nope, it's not even worth the hassle most of the time, m.acc is hardly an issue, I just have full sch af3+2 so I use klimaform for a 10% boost to damage during klimaform. I can reduce the recast so I only have to go 30 seconds with it off, so it's on most of the time.
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2011-03-05 23:01:24
So who wants me to change my avatar
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-05 23:02:21
Bahamut.Raenryong said: So who wants me to change my avatar To?
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2011-03-05 23:16:37
I hate when people change their avatar... I glance over post names and often I don't read posts by people I know because I don't recognize it ^^;
When I see avatar's of those I trust to know what they are doing and saying, I tend to read more carefully.
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By Cerberus.Wolfshadow 2011-03-05 23:19:15
Bismarck.Josiahfk said: Cerberus.Wolfshadow said: Bismarck.Josiahfk said: Cerberus.Wolfshadow said: Bismarck.Josiahfk said: Bahamut.Dasva said: Technically you can get resist with 31243453243 skill and elemental seal... I remember once getting a 1/8 resist as 75 blm on some random mob in south gustaberg a few years back even though I sealed it. I cried myself to sleep lol I remember doing a manaburn and landing 5 nukes in a row 100% then explaining elemental seal to a new blm. I abruptly used it and my nuke did 1/4 dmg and they thought I was joking. > < Secret troll factor implemented by SE, there's lots of them. I swear to god, klimaform on SCH decreases my m.acc by phenomenal amounts, it's not even funny. lol but is that spell worth getting for a whm99/sch49? hmmmm I didn't even bother
Maybe for those emergency reposes against tonberry on lightday but bleh lol weak premise Nope, it's not even worth the hassle most of the time, m.acc is hardly an issue, I just have full sch af3+2 so I use klimaform for a 10% boost to damage during klimaform. I can reduce the recast so I only have to go 30 seconds with it off, so it's on most of the time. I wasn't asking with a tone of "why you use that lol" was more curious if I should even bother but fair enough. Oh I know, I was simply responding no, it is not useful for anything outside what I use it for, for my sch af3+2, in my opinion, I got where you were coming from. I was just using a personalized example of the only time one would really go about using it. Yeah, without a proper array of weather spells and a general lack of need of magic accuracy all together its utility is negligible at best.
So there's a taru BLU on my server that is hitting a group of detectors in Abyssea Altepa for 6K+ damage. He shots most of the group tho. However when I try it I can't get over 2.6K with my Charged Whisker. I can only use Beyond, Kirin & MM as my magic atmas so I don't know where I'm going wrong.
Here's my current Charged Whisker set
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