THF90 Evasions

I recently tanked Orthus on thf. I actually put on evasion daggers but kept full DD atmas with the exception of some MDB stuff. Obviously I didn't parse but shadows lasted good enough that the vast majority of the time I went under 2 shadows was when it agad. Rarely did it take 2 down from melee hits before it aga'd me lol

Can be right, can be wrong. There a lots of theory about it, but no prof.

in your test, is your Eva skill was cap? (could have made a difference)

As you stated for MACC formula is more complex, so is for evasion, maybe your AGI was high enough to support the evasion bonus since you did fight a EM. (who know)

Assuming both are same when there is clearly evidence they are not the same, is just going in a wrong direction. Maybe no one find out yet the relation between both, that still don't mean 1=1.

In my head is clear there is a difference between both, i know SE make often a mistake on description ect, but this one been up since game released, SE always made Evasion gear and Evasion skill gear, and both do not add up to your skill when you check VIA (Combat skill).

My idea on it (without any prof also) is you need 0 AGI to support Evasion skill, but you do need more AGI to support Evasion bonus.

In other word, Evasion bonus worth not much or nothing again very high level mob/nm.

Of course all this is speculation with 0 prof, but i doubt i will change my Evasion torque for omega one, at least not till i see more evidence about all this.

I also recently 'tanked' Orthrus. Twashtar/Mandau and Twashtar/TK, RR/GH/Apoc atma, full-time DD gear and /war, my WHM mule never once came close to running out of mp, even when I was spamming curaga4/3/4 when it decided to use Acheron Flames followed by another Acheron Flames followed by Firaga4. Got 27 Orthrus's worth of claws, finishing up my lv90 Twashtar, took 6+ hours. Died twice, once because the Orthrus was moved(hate reset) and paralyzed the whms. Near the end, the majority of my group went to bed and all that remained was myself(along with my WHM and BLM mules), a nin and a WHMs. Keeping Berserk up as much as I could, my computer clock tells me the last fight we did took 4 minutes 45 seconds and my parser tells me I did approximately twice the damage the NIN did.

The whole point is that I simply want to reiterate that people obsess too much about not getting hit, not taking damage, unnecessarily sacrificing their DD capabilities in the process. The group I was competing with for pops, was a JP group who only had 1 NIN as their DD, constantly keeping shadows up, switching to evasion gear and turning(for some reason), spent up to 30 minutes killing their pop. You can probably imagine how annoyed I got at them. And yes, I have killed a few Orthrus as the solo tank/DD and 10 minutes would be considered slow.

I think I took like 15-20. But my entire pt was brd blu and a rdm that had no idea how to play the game. Let's just say the lol war/dnc we had with us for a bit before we started cured my paralysis more often than the rdm did...

But yeah I'm not a relic and/or empyrean thf. And the blu did like no dmg. Probably should've used food but meh.

I've noticed that berserk/warcry do a lot for Rudra's, it may beat out the DW bonus, but I hardly ever use /war anyways.

We have natural dw2 now, so the difference from /war and /nin is smaller. Also, it's still hard to cap attack on thf, specially without stelwarts(which you can't always count with while spamming nms). So yeah, zerk is important.

honestly, thf's natural evasion is pretty up there, so evasion in every single slot is really overdoing it. try and throw in some damage taken down gear for those tp moves that go through shadows is my suggestion.

THF was only given DW1 :(

Funny why ppl still take it like that. I tested it right after the update and posted on alla: linky

Going from DW2 to DW3 with 8 dw on equip is 14% increase in dot.

10 double attack should increase damage in 4-7% depending on how much triple attack we have. So, taking thf is an attack starved job, it's not unlikely that berserk will help make up or even overtake the rest of the difference.

Kinda depends on atmas and such but I'd say 7% is kinda high for double attack given double/triple attack gear/atmas/merits and possibly multi hit offhand weapons

they snuck it in there? i never read any notes about in in the update info.

Any reason why wiki has not been updated for thf DW2?

Antares offers more evasion, Phyrgian Earring is the +6, +1 is the +7.

Also Torero torque instead of Evasion torque. and yeah, af3 +2 feet

Evasion augmented mirke beats everything for pure evasion.

Wiki took very long to update Crit Att Bonus 2 as well.


The minimum triple i took as 10%. With the maximum triple i used, an illusory 50%, DA gain is under 3%. Mistyped that one.

Been duoing orthus thf/nin whm/??? for about a month and half now~ hes a joke compared to alot other stuff such as isgebind and azdaja to duo.

For orthus tank from the rear so you can SA RS. Moves a lot quicker that way and dont have to deal with some of his TP moves. Scorching lash is absorbed by shadows.

I dont really use my evasion set unless im duoing with my RDM mule that does not have access to higher cures.





im pretty happy with my gear sets.

I tried tanking /WAR last night on Briareus, and though it was ultimately successful, I didn't care for it - perhaps because I've been a Thief/Ninja for almost eight years now but taking hits made me extremely anxious. I had the HP for it, and though Zombie was really the only danger during the fight, taking those extra hits while Zombified, instead of shadows absorbing them, was begging chance to face-plant me. I don't mind /WAR on the Ironclads, because shadows are mostly irrelevant, but I'm pretty sure I prefer slow and steady, rather than whatever bonus /WAR could've offered (Didn't notice an increase in damage with Zerk on, for instance) on monsters that can possibly kill me.

Don't get me wrong, I'll try again and on different monsters, but I wasn't satisfied with the first run through.

/nin allows for mages to be a little sloppy.

/war does not.

yeah i think /war is mostly useful for red procs. /nin still offers a lot like higher dw tier and subtle blow, plus shadows. i usually did briareus with thf/war + whm for th and red while farming pop sets. zombie's not too bad with kiting, flash, slow/para, and his low acc.

bleh silly me i never thought about /war for red procs
what does that open for thf? sword and club? missing anything?

raiden with pitchfork, both staff if you have merits + hachimaki

Between the two though I'd rather have whm go /war since it doesn't require any extra merits/gear and you still get the same number of procs. Whm can use sea daughter for the subjob based weapons too since it's annoying trying to hit stuff with them, lol.

And if you go /nin and have merits+justice, you can use jinpu! More red procs!

uh i think all whm/war would get is raiden, and i didn't have the pitchfork.

whm/war gets sword too which are /war only procs for thf. And of course it's easier for a whm to do staff then a thf.

oh ***i didn't realize there were swords whm could equip, thanks. and yeah i only mentioned staff because someone asked what /war did for thf.

Good old event/trainee weapons, lol. Now if only they'd make a GS and scythe...

looking back, thf/war and whm/sam probably would have been best... so many times when i was almost done, the trigger was jinpu D: