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Most wanted ffxi job!
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By Siren.Flunklesnarkin 2010-09-28 03:17:03
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Flionheart said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Why do people consider BLM a "most wanted" job? Serious question.
Most situations I've been in, we never have enough BLM's. Remember the question is most wanted not most useful. Both of the other people in my static have and frequently use BLM so take this as you will, but given free choice of job spread (with all appropriate gear) I'm coming up with very few situations where I'd consider BLM a "most wanted" job.
idk, most wanted and most useful are pretty much equivalent in my eyes. BLU makes a better job for capping azure in traditional party setups, BRD can sleep most things... it basically comes down to Sleepga for frogs and capping azure light via -aga in Fell Cleave burns (can still cap with BLU, who's useful during the latter portion of the burn via AoE stuns/flash), though my opinion of BLM on NMs may be subject to debate.
The entire OP is vague.. if your saying wanted.. as in can never find enough of a job it would have to be blm.
If they are saying most wanted as in general linkshell nm's or exp a list wouldn't really work because most jobs are just as useful/needed only difference being the idiot behind the avatar and the gear he has.
Also, there's no debate.. blm's are useful on nm's. Unless you're going in with an overwhelming force of DD's to just pwn something.. its nice to have a couple blm's watching a NM's tp moves and stunning as necessary.
By Flionheart 2010-09-28 03:17:38
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Flionheart said: I don't particularly rate BLM myself, but people are stupid about it. Another fact is that most BLM I've played with are pretty bad. There really are a lot of bad BLMs out there :\ It's a shame, it's not like it's a bad job (I admittedly loathe it, but that's playstyle and having been locked into it for far too long), but it's such an easy job to play as a glass cannon and miss the utility it provides.
Well the shell I used to do sky with had some of the worst BLM's I've ever seen in my life. They missed stuns in a cycle, they couldn't nuke for over 1.1k (this was 75 cap) and they did HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE things like DoTing sleeping mobs. After being in a shell with 3 or 4 BLM's like that (especially seeing as I was a BRD, you notice ***like that when you've lullabied and the enemy is beating you down) I just don't hold it in high esteem any more. Plus they were arrogant (french in fact) which made it that much worse.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-09-28 03:20:27
Siren.Flunklesnarkin said: The entire OP is vague.. if your saying wanted.. as in can never find enough of a job it would have to be blm. Can honestly say I don't have that problem, half my shell has BLM leveled and geared.
Quote: Also, there's no debate.. blm's are useful on nm's. Apparently there is.
Quote: Unless you're going in with an overwhelming force of DD's to just pwn something.. God no, waste of resources.
Quote: its nice to have a couple blm's watching a NM's tp moves and stunning as necessary.
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By Shiva.Darkshade 2010-09-28 03:21:31
It's going to be situational based on what your LS needs etc.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-09-28 03:21:56
Shiva.Darkshade said: It's going to be situational based on what your LS needs etc. hey
HEY
stop ruining my fun
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By Caitsith.Zefiris 2010-09-28 03:23:39
Most Blms I've seen don't do anything other than use their highest nuke. No buffing, sleeping, stunning, light nuking, or even trying to manage mp. There's a ton you can do on Blm. It was my first 75 and the only job I couldn't stop playing. Feels comfy being on Blm. ^^
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2010-09-28 03:24:58
good blms are hard to find...yes
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By Caitsith.Linear 2010-09-28 03:25:04
Caitsith.Zefiris said: Feels comfy being on Blm. ^^
At least until the "glass" part of glass cannon happens, I'd assume? >_>
By Flionheart 2010-09-28 03:28:27
It's really fun being in such high demand on BRD sometimes, until you get HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE requests in meripos (holy ***I'm going all nostalgia now!) asking for a pianissimo'd madrigal via /tell. Then you don't do it because the person is being HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE and you end up getting kicked for "Not doing your job" even though you're pulling a chain 200+ and maintaining Marchx2 and Balladx2.
True story
I raged.
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By Caitsith.Zefiris 2010-09-28 03:29:46
Caitsith.Linear said: Caitsith.Zefiris said: Feels comfy being on Blm. ^^
At least until the "glass" part of glass cannon happens, I'd assume? >_> Idk, if it's in dynamis or something you start kiting... if it's a NM... kite? o.o And I don't mean running in the complete opposite direction of your party. ._. There's lots you can do to stay alive, if you're paying attention. I mean, now there's manawall!
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By Siren.Flunklesnarkin 2010-09-28 03:29:46
The only debate I see is people saying blm is useless because they don't have any competent blm's in their linkshell.
If you are too thickheaded too see their usefulness thats your own problem.
Suck less or join a better linkshell..
my last post here..
I forsee this thread turning into blu > everything (most blu's are played by people with tiny penis's who feel the need to justify their usefulness everywhere they go >_>)
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By Caitsith.Zefiris 2010-09-28 03:31:22
I'm not saying Blm is the best job. It's the one I liked best. ;)
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2010-09-28 03:31:37
lol flunk..somebody hates blu?
By Flionheart 2010-09-28 03:32:03
Siren.Flunklesnarkin said: The only debate I see is people saying blm is useless because they don't have any competent blm's in their linkshell.
If you are too thickheaded too see their usefulness thats your own problem.
Suck less or join a better linkshell..
my last post here..
I forsee this thread turning into blu > everything (most blu's are played by people with tiny penis's who feel the need to justify their usefulness everywhere they go >_>)
And the rage begins.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-09-28 03:33:14
Siren.Flunklesnarkin said: The only debate I see is people saying blm is useless because they don't have any competent blm's in their linkshell. Really? I was a damn good BLM, and I spend 90% of my time online with two BLMs who are better still than I. I'm very aware of BLM's capabilities, thank you. Nice strawman though.
Quote: If you are too thickheaded too see their usefulness thats your own problem. ad hominem
Quote: Suck less or join a better linkshell.. lol
Quote: my last post here..
I forsee this thread turning into blu > everything (most blu's are played by people with tiny penis's who feel the need to justify their usefulness everywhere they go >_>)
Strawman and ad hominem, oh my. You want Draylo for that ***, not me.
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By Flionheart 2010-09-28 03:43:26
Some silly individual rated you down Night, so I rectified it with my anons.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-09-28 03:44:20
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By Lakshmi.Emanuelle 2010-09-28 03:44:49
most wanter for me
sam rdm sch
i always like a well geared sch over blm just for the fact they can multi-task and nuke efficiently , unless doing something that needs /ga nukes
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By Phoenix.Degs 2010-09-28 03:45:27
I think in truth, there are a bunch of BLM's now that are far more competent on their abilities and how to manage the job, then there were pre ToAU... up to that point i think BLM's took parties for granted, but after ToAU, they were not needed for crap anymore, and if you were to level BLM as a job.. you needed to either solo or burn.. either case is more management of abilities and mp.. being very careful and watchful of your situation.... it probably has helped alot more than hurt considering now... they are a very needed and valued job
my 3 would be
BLM
PUP
BST
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By Hades.Stefanos 2010-09-28 03:50:21
Before the shitstorm ensues, putting in my opinion:
RDM
BRD
SAM
I love my SCH and BLU but I know they aren't the most wanted jobs, not to say they're both awesome jobs for different reasons.
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By Lakshmi.Emanuelle 2010-09-28 03:53:36
in these days i have been aware that everyone looks for sch like crazy for every events specially for abyssea, i do believe it's a wanted job, on top of that they will get haste with /rdm sub
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By Quetzalcoatl.Brayenn 2010-09-28 03:59:44
@ nightfyre
just curious what you ment by arguably rdm/sch is the best nuker?
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By Leviathan.Quetzacoatl 2010-09-28 04:09:23
Shiva.Darkshade said: It's going to be situational based on what your LS needs etc.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-09-28 04:10:42
Quetzalcoatl.Brayenn said: @ nightfyre
just curious what you ment by arguably rdm/sch is the best nuker? Atmas greatly reduce the difference in per-nuke damage (if using the same nukes), and T5s are less MP efficient than T4s last I heard so unless you're going for burst damage you're using the same class of nukes (though RDM doesn't have the full set yet). RDM/SCH has Dark Arts, stratagems, better Convert, and Chainspell; BLM/RDM has slightly more damage per nuke, Aspir II and a somewhat more potent Aspir (not always a factor) and Manafont (which isn't that great given the high MP/tic in Abyssea). Better Fast Cast potentially enables more nuking in kited/pinned fights. RDM also brings greater utility to the table via superior debuffing (barring Sleepga II and Break) and healing capabilities.
It's not necessarily the best nuker as such in a given situation, but it fills multiple roles in a way that BLM cannot. That utility combined with comparable and possibly superior damage (situational etc) gives it the edge given the nature of Abyssea.
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2010-09-28 04:15:47
nightfyre... wtf do you mean by "better convert"? are you talkin about mythic marguleis? lol
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-09-28 04:18:41
RDM will have a shorter recast and possibly (probably? I have no idea what BLM vert sets look like) a better overall MP return per vert. There's like 5 Murgleis worldwide, not going to bring something like that into the discussion.
RDM also gets Composured buffs, just realized I left that out.
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By Bismarck.Helixx 2010-09-28 04:21:33
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Quetzalcoatl.Brayenn said: @ nightfyre
just curious what you ment by arguably rdm/sch is the best nuker? Atmas greatly reduce the difference in per-nuke damage (if using the same nukes), and T5s are less MP efficient than T4s last I heard so unless you're going for burst damage you're using the same class of nukes (though RDM doesn't have the full set yet). RDM/SCH has Dark Arts, stratagems, better Convert, and Chainspell; BLM/RDM has slightly more damage per nuke, Aspir II and a somewhat more potent Aspir (not always a factor) and Manafont (which isn't that great given the high MP/tic in Abyssea). Better Fast Cast potentially enables more nuking in kited/pinned fights. RDM also brings greater utility to the table via superior debuffing (barring Sleepga II and Break) and healing capabilities.
It's not necessarily the best nuker as such in a given situation, but it fills multiple roles in a way that BLM cannot. That utility combined with comparable and possibly superior damage (situational etc) gives it the edge given the nature of Abyssea.
You make it sould as if every RDM is better than every BLM, its like arguing Mac VS PC...
Get over yourself and tell me when your RDM has ever nuked a 2k+ Aero5, or a 1.5k+ Thunder4. Goodbye.
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2010-09-28 04:21:42
rdm's actually merit convert recast? i had no idea
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2010-09-28 04:22:36
Bismarck.Helixx said:
You make it sould as if every RDM is better than every BLM, its like arguing Mac VS PC...
Get over yourself and tell me when your RDM has ever nuked a 2k+ Aero5, or a 1.5k+ Thunder4. Goodbye.
Do I need to post the SS of my puppet doing a 2300+ aero 5 to a bat NM in abyssea? lol (its on my profile if you want to check it out :P)
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-09-28 04:23:57
Ifrit.Eikechi said: rdm's actually merit convert recast? i had no idea 5/5 is standard, yes.
Bismarck.Helixx said: You make it sould as if every RDM is better than every BLM, its like arguing Mac VS PC...
Get over yourself and tell me when your RDM has ever nuked a 2k+ Aero5, or a 1.5k+ Thunder4. Goodbye. What? This is a discussion of job capabilities, not whether or not the player behind them has at least 3 brain cells to rub together.
Max damage isn't everything.
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what do you think the most needed, in general, job needed?
post your top 3:
1:Red Mage
2:Thief
3: Bard
these are my top 3
post yours
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