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Warriors charge and Scourge
Unicorn.Angrist
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By Unicorn.Angrist 2010-04-13 16:35:10
Title, it doesnt work anymore.
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2010-04-13 16:42:20
Unicorn.Angrist said: Title, it doesnt work anymore.
Uhh, I think that's more SE's department.
Unicorn.Angrist
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By Unicorn.Angrist 2010-04-13 16:46:21
Yeah, figured SE may read these, couldnt find out how to report a bug to em for the life of me.
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By Sylph.Beelshamen 2010-04-13 16:46:56
Unicorn.Angrist said: Yeah, figured SE may read these, could find how to report a bug to em for the life of me.
Ingame > GM
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2010-04-13 16:48:13
Yeah, I'd just call a GM.
Also, I wish I had a Ragnarok... they are so rare.
Unicorn.Angrist
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By Unicorn.Angrist 2010-04-13 16:49:39
wish it were that easy, got an auto-response telling me to visit community sites.
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By Sylph.Beelshamen 2010-04-13 16:50:53
Unicorn.Angrist said: wish it were that easy, got an auto-response telling me to visit community sites.
Auto-response? Didn't you get to speak with a GM face to face?
What's a community site going to do about an ingame bug?
SE
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2010-04-13 16:51:44
Unicorn.Angrist said: wish it were that easy, got an auto-response telling me to visit community sites.
So much Fail.. You look up anything on FFXIclopedia?
I doubt they changed it from Phys. to Magical, IIRC Scourge worked with SA/TA.
Unicorn.Angrist
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By Unicorn.Angrist 2010-04-13 16:53:15
nope sure didnt, and idk maybe they think im not using it right...(a monkey could do it)
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2010-04-13 16:54:45
Unicorn.Angrist said: nope sure didnt, and idk maybe they think im not using it right...(a monkey could do it)
No, no. The wiki actually sayes nothing of it.
Phoenix.Airbag
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By Phoenix.Airbag 2010-04-13 16:55:10
Unicorn.Angrist said: wish it were that easy, got an auto-response telling me to visit community sites.
you have to call a GM for someone breaking the TOS and then just tell them about the bug, thats the only way to get a live one
Unicorn.Angrist
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By Unicorn.Angrist 2010-04-13 16:56:39
Phoenix.Airbag said: Unicorn.Angrist said: wish it were that easy, got an auto-response telling me to visit community sites.
you have to call a GM for someone breaking the TOS and then just tell them about the bug, thats the only way to get a live one
lol Ill give it a shot.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-04-13 16:57:33
Sylph.Beelshamen said: Unicorn.Angrist said: wish it were that easy, got an auto-response telling me to visit community sites. Auto-response? Didn't you get to speak with a GM face to face? What's a community site going to do about an ingame bug? SE
 It's simple. They will say nothing is wrong on there end. Therefore clearly it is working right. Therefore you should check the sites and educate yourself on how it is supposed to work. Therefore we are too lazy to actually look up how it is supposed to work ourselves
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2010-04-13 16:59:04
Phoenix.Airbag said: Unicorn.Angrist said: wish it were that easy, got an auto-response telling me to visit community sites. you have to call a GM for someone breaking the TOS and then just tell them about the bug, thats the only way to get a live one
It's kinda like the "In progress" rule with Police, tell them "Robbery in-progress" to get them to come out, when your house is burglarised.
I know I'd be ticked if I got a relic, then they changed up the rules.
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2010-04-13 17:01:08
Ramuh.Dasva said: Sylph.Beelshamen said: Unicorn.Angrist said: wish it were that easy, got an auto-response telling me to visit community sites. Auto-response? Didn't you get to speak with a GM face to face? What's a community site going to do about an ingame bug? SE  It's simple. They will say nothing is wrong on there end. Therefore clearly it is working right. Therefore you should check the sites and educate yourself on how it is supposed to work. Therefore we are too lazy to actually look up how it is supposed to work ourselves
Actually, I looked through "Ragnarok", "Scourge", and "Warrior's Charge" and there was no mention, Ang implied that it used to work. I gotta ask though, what were you hitting with it?
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-04-13 17:02:13
I've actually been stuck zoning once and even used the I'm stuck and can't move option in the call and they came and told me well since I'm techinically not stuck somewhere but between zones they couldn't help. Go file a complaint sucker
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By Midgardsormr.Frobeus 2010-04-13 17:10:18
Unicorn.Angrist said: wish it were that easy, got an auto-response telling me to visit community sites.
This explains both why you have a Ragnarok and not an Apoc, and also why you are wearing an askar hat.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-04-13 17:13:06
Midgardsormr.Frobeus said: Unicorn.Angrist said: wish it were that easy, got an auto-response telling me to visit community sites. This explains both why you have a Ragnarok and not an Apoc, and also why you are wearing an askar hat. I think the fact that he is using warroirs charge explains why he doesn't have an Apoc...
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By Midgardsormr.Frobeus 2010-04-13 17:13:53
Ramuh.Dasva said: Midgardsormr.Frobeus said: Unicorn.Angrist said: wish it were that easy, got an auto-response telling me to visit community sites. This explains both why you have a Ragnarok and not an Apoc, and also why you are wearing an askar hat. I think the fact that he is using warroirs charge explains why he doesn't have an Apoc...
That's some cool Homam on his War bro.
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By Shiva.Weewoo 2010-04-13 17:14:57
Well, why not get a relic that supports more than one job you enjoy instead of just one?
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-04-13 17:15:59
Midgardsormr.Frobeus said: Ramuh.Dasva said: Midgardsormr.Frobeus said: Unicorn.Angrist said: wish it were that easy, got an auto-response telling me to visit community sites. This explains both why you have a Ragnarok and not an Apoc, and also why you are wearing an askar hat. I think the fact that he is using warroirs charge explains why he doesn't have an Apoc... That's some cool Homam on his War bro. Or maybe he just cares about war more then drk. Or omg get a relic that is usuable by both jobs.
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By Midgardsormr.Frobeus 2010-04-13 17:20:36
Ramuh.Dasva said: Midgardsormr.Frobeus said: Ramuh.Dasva said: Midgardsormr.Frobeus said: Unicorn.Angrist said: wish it were that easy, got an auto-response telling me to visit community sites. This explains both why you have a Ragnarok and not an Apoc, and also why you are wearing an askar hat. I think the fact that he is using warroirs charge explains why he doesn't have an Apoc... That's some cool Homam on his War bro. Or maybe he just cares about war more then drk. Or omg get a relic that is usuable by both jobs.
Am I being wooshed here?
You do realize we are talking about Ragnarok here.
The GS. Not the scythe.. Not the Great Axe...
The GS. On War...
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-04-13 17:22:19
Ramuh.Dasva said: I've actually been stuck zoning once and even used the I'm stuck and can't move option in the call and they came and told me well since I'm techinically not stuck somewhere but between zones they couldn't help. Go file a complaint sucker Ha, I had this happen to me on a Dyna-Xarc run once, pissed me off.
I swear they break the strangest things during these updates... Scourge, ranged damage, Cactrot Rapido, Dahaks, ASA final, and who knows what else.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-04-13 17:25:51
Maybe they went for something not as good so they could use it more often since they play both? Maybe they just wanted to be different a little. It's not like Rag is a horrible weapon. It be like a sam who sometimes plays rng getting the bow instead of the gkt or something.
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2010-04-13 17:39:18
Shiva.Weewoo said: Well, why not get a relic that supports more than one job you enjoy instead of just one?
Right, Ang has 3 listed 75's, all 3 can use Ragnarok.
EDIT: I'd also like to add that Relics are more luxury than necessity, there are many other things he can equip, just like people without relics do. Also, Bravura, Excalibur, Aegis, Apocalypse, I see so many of those. Rarely do I ever see a Ragnarok.
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Unicorn.Angrist
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By Unicorn.Angrist 2010-04-14 13:40:41
lol wow...getting flamed for having a relic and using it...you guys are priceless lol Anyhow I know there aren't many Ragnaroks out there so there's obviously gonna be a bit of ignorance on the subject so ill forgive you <3. I don't feel I should have to explain my reasons for getting a Ragnarok but obviously with the level of maturity I see by some of the posters here that a quick overview of Ragnarok and its abilities might go a long way into diffusing some myths and maybe be applauded instead of scorned for obtaining the weapon in question.
Okay so first of all 3 jobs can use it and they use it very well. The critical hit rate makes it a very deadly weapon especially to HNM's and mobs with high defense, which is why its nick named "HNM Killer" and one of the main reasons I got it. The delay is 431...its very fast, faster than your beloved apocalypse in fact..even with the 10% haste from ws. Never been to big on x-hit setups, always been about power and speed for me. Since the last update it now has 95 DMG instead of 86, coupled with 431 delay it now has higher DPS (13.22) than most other relic weapons that have been magian upgraded to full. Yes, even apocalypse.
Hope this helped a little in diffusing certain rumors about the sword. Know its short but id be more than happy to answer any questions. :D
P.S. Got a hold of GM they're "looking into it"
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-04-14 13:54:44
I love lolrelic holders who don't know ***about the game. Did your ls fund that for you?
Alright, so you have a pitiful 17% haste (I'm assuming you use homam instead of what's currently on your page).
W/ double march and haste + hasso, you have 62% haste. With apoc's haste, you'd have 70% haste
431 % 62% haste vs 513 % 70% haste
432 x (100-62) = 432 x .38 = 164.16 delay
513 x (100-70) x 513 x .3 = 153.9 delay
What'd you say about rag being faster? Not with your build, it's not.
By Yuffy 2010-04-14 13:56:08
There is a form to send to SE on their website, its kinda easy to find if you take your time and its more reliable than a GM call.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-04-14 13:56:49
Also Quote: Never been to big on x-hit setups, always been about power and speed for me. Piss poor reasoning.
X-hits help you get TP in less swings, which means you WS more often. So if you're about speed, as you say, then going for an xhit will bring your next ws by the quickest.
Unicorn.Angrist
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By Unicorn.Angrist 2010-04-14 13:59:24
Phoenix.Kojo said: Ramuh.Dasva said: Sylph.Beelshamen said: Unicorn.Angrist said: wish it were that easy, got an auto-response telling me to visit community sites. Auto-response? Didn't you get to speak with a GM face to face? What's a community site going to do about an ingame bug? SE  It's simple. They will say nothing is wrong on there end. Therefore clearly it is working right. Therefore you should check the sites and educate yourself on how it is supposed to work. Therefore we are too lazy to actually look up how it is supposed to work ourselves
Actually, I looked through "Ragnarok", "Scourge", and "Warrior's Charge" and there was no mention, Ang implied that it used to work. I gotta ask though, what were you hitting with it? Between 1400-1700
Title, it doesnt work anymore.
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