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 Hades.Juliusi
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By Hades.Juliusi 2010-03-20 03:14:32
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SCH, you guys knows its true.

Nuker= SCH they just dont get the AM's and not strong but they can half the MP cost to cast more nukes

Healer= WHM kinda has this one BUT with Raputer and accesion they can do curega 4 and do more "divine seals" and can lower mp cost. only thing is that whm has cure 5

Buffs= SCH, its common sense. but SCH can -ga stoneskin, blink, phleix etc...only thig is they dont get refresh and haste.

All of thats gonna change when the lvl cap is 99. sch is gonna be overpower. the new "jack of all trades".
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By Diabolos.Ghlin 2010-03-20 03:16:34
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BRD
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-03-20 03:16:35
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Oh boy, this ***again.

SCH vs BLM is situational, SCH vs WHM almost always favors WHM, buffs favors RDM because Refresh and Haste really are that *** awesome. Can we /thread before the stupidity and flaming starts?

Also the above, BRD support is amazing. Also you neglected enfeebling... which depending on your needs favors either RDM or SCH!
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By Hades.Stefanos 2010-03-20 03:18:58
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Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Oh boy, this ***again.

SCH vs BLM is situational, SCH vs WHM almost always favors WHM, buffs favors RDM because Refresh and Haste really are that *** awesome. Can we /thread before the stupidity and flaming starts?

Pretty much this here.
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By Hades.Juliusi 2010-03-20 03:23:57
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@ Nightfyre
you must be talking about xp parties
im talking about missions, quest, xp BCNM's
yea everyone rather pick red over anything in a xp party
but when it comes donw to a mission or something ppl rather go with a SCH because. they can cure like a WHM, sleep as good as a blm and buff like a red mage and ppl are not gonna take a red,whm and ablm to a mission. and at 99 SCH will be able to refersh and haste.
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By Diabolos.Ghlin 2010-03-20 03:24:11
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DRK, you guys knows its true.

Nuker= DRK they just dont get the AM's and not strong but they can spend half the MP cost to cast tier 2's.

Healer= WHM kinda has this one BUT with Drian and Drain to they can do curega 4 and do more "dark seals" and can lower mp cost. only thing is that whm has cure 5

Buffs= DRK, its common sense. but DRK can death-ga with dread speiks etc...only thig is they dont get refresh and haste.

All of thats gonna change when the lvl cap is 99. drk is gonna be overpower. the new "jack of all trades".
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By Shiva.Gylfie 2010-03-20 03:29:38
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Diabolos.Ghlin said:
BRD
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-03-20 03:32:34
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Hades.Juliusi said:
@ Nightfyre
you must be talking about xp parties
Nope.
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im talking about missions, quest, xp BCNM's
yea everyone rather pick red over anything in a xp party
but when it comes donw to a mission or something ppl rather go with a SCH because. they can cure like a WHM, sleep as good as a blm and buff like a red mage and ppl are not gonna take a red,whm and ablm to a mission. and at 99 SCH will be able to refersh and haste.
Here's the thing: no you can't. You're not as MP-efficient as a WHM thanks to Cure V, potency gear, and their preference for /SCH nor can you spike cure like they can, you sleep better than a BLM but not as well as a RDM, and you can't buff like a RDM. You can't even Stun like a BLM without dropping MAB, Stoneskin, Blink, and Phalanx. At 99 you'll still be dropping all defensive abilities for Stun, which is nice enough that any shell bringing a nuking backline will probably be emphasizing it on anything that doesn't build resistance to it. Further, you can't efficiently carry out all those roles at once because you're fighting with Arts/Stratagems timers. At some point you're going to get caught reading the wrong book and then you're either going to be notably less efficient or SOL because it's a spell you needed from the other Addendum and Enlightenment isn't up.

99 is a giant question mark. What if /mage Haste is weakened, or mains get another tier? What if they adjust levels so you don't get it at all? Same questions for Refresh. I live and die by my MP pool; I am not going to accept an inferior version in any situation where I could have the better one. Tanks do the same with Haste and Utsusemi (Refresh too depending on the job).

Also, if the ***really matters enough that you couldn't use any of the above jobs and do just fine... chances are you've got a full backline instead of just one person. That means a RDM is required for Haste, Refresh, and probably Slow II + Para (II), and you'll likely want a WHM there as well.
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By Leviathan.Stunx 2010-03-20 03:35:20
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me
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By Shiva.Gylfie 2010-03-20 03:39:34
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Leviathan.Stunx said:
me
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2010-03-20 03:43:19
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bacon mage
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-03-20 03:44:54
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Siren.Thoraeon said:
bacon mage
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By Shiva.Gylfie 2010-03-20 03:56:37
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Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Siren.Thoraeon said:
bacon mage

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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-03-20 03:59:03
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Shiva.Gylfie said:
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By Fenrir.Shambo 2010-03-20 04:00:34
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sch and rdm if they don't melee it looks sick as hell
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By Bismarck.Kuroganashi 2010-03-20 04:09:31
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SCH is nice but BLU is better O.< d
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By Fenrir.Shambo 2010-03-20 04:10:47
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Bismarck.Kuroganashi said:
SCH is nice but BLU is better O.< d

no, blu give free tp
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By Siren.Clinpachi 2010-03-20 04:12:41
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SCH and RDM hands down, SCH is more for lowman or BLM parties in larger groups.

And to put the SCH vs BLM argument to bed... in a party of BLM's nuking... should always be 1 SCH to give everyone weather for more bonus effects (IE Obi's)

I loves me some SCH at pudings though :D
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By Bahamut.Paulus 2010-03-20 04:25:33
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Ugh yeah SCH is getting scary in the enfeebling dept. Most can push 300+. I did ZNM with one today and his spells rarely got resisted. Then seeing one AOE gravity a butt load of links in dynamis is sexy.
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By Remora.Dubont 2010-03-20 04:36:16
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RDM is the best mage all around. Wanna know why?

Sch says "I can heal, buff, nuke AND debuff."

I say "NO you can't. You can use light magic or u can use black magic. You can't go from nuker/debuffer to healer/buffer in an efficient manner."

Sch is good don't get me wrong, but overall RDM is the best well rounded Mage.
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By Sylph.Sindri 2010-03-20 04:39:53
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BLU
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By Fairy.Shiyo 2010-03-20 04:41:42
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SCH is a ton more fun than WHM will ever be~

It's also fun nuking.

SCH is strong and very useful/good, kind of overpowered really.

I love sch ^-^
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By Sylph.Sindri 2010-03-20 04:44:55
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Fenrir.Shambo said:
Bismarck.Kuroganashi said:
SCH is nice but BLU is better O.< d

no, blu give free tp

News flash, it's not free the damage is being done the difference is we do more damage than BLM so they get jealous and say "We do less damage and it takes longer but at least we give the same TP a lot slower"
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By Bahamut.Paulus 2010-03-20 04:45:35
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BLU is the Swiss army knife of FFXI. Good for every situation.
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By Shiva.Gylfie 2010-03-20 04:46:59
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Sylph.Sindri said:
Fenrir.Shambo said:
Bismarck.Kuroganashi said:
SCH is nice but BLU is better O.< d

no, blu give free tp

News flash, it's not free the damage is being done the difference is we do more damage than BLM so they get jealous and say "We do less damage and it takes longer but at least we give the same TP a lot slower"

w@?
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By Phoenix.Ingraham 2010-03-20 04:53:17
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Again, BLU, but my reasoning is for the aesthetics of their spells.

Magical phantom fruits and carrots for healing and green mucus for nukes. C'mon. How many times am I gonna have to cite how awesome that is?

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By Diabolos.Ghlin 2010-03-20 04:55:18
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BLU hardly classifies as a mage.
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By Sylph.Sindri 2010-03-20 04:59:09
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Diabolos.Ghlin said:
BLU hardly classifies as a mage.

Except for the Mage your right :D
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By Diabolos.Ghlin 2010-03-20 05:02:21
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IDK. It just doesn't play like a mage. For the record, I didn't say it didn't classify as mage. It just hardly does.
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By Xenshi 2010-03-20 05:12:54
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jobs are only as good as the person playing it..seen awesome rdm and horrible rdm..same deal with sch..depends on how u can play it really..but whm is best mage...and any mage that can heal my *** is the best mage
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